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And why, pray tell, was Chopper 5 cleansed from the archives?

(Dying to hear this one).

LOL. Then why were other, far worse, far less dramatic shots shown over and over, as they became available? What a contradiction.

The best answer was: They didn't think the shot was good enough? Is that about it?

Bump.

Very important question. Why did they never show Chopper 5? Any plane huggers have an answer?

This is why a simple name is not enough. There need to be identifying credentials of some sort.

Yes, of course a debate proceeds on evidence. Perhaps one party will win, and the other will be made ...

Eric Salter has officially declined, informing me that he has gone back into retirement from "this issue".

The issue of real names is a pretty important one. If an anonymous poster spews ...

In chopper 5, the "dust explosion" is indistinguishable from the nose. I've already proven this.

Anyone who disagrees is invited to take the "nose out challenge".

Is there an ...

In chopper 5, the "dust explosion" is indistinguishable from the nose. I've already proven this.

Anyone who disagrees is invited to take the "nose out challenge".

Is there an ...

Sounds like plane theorists are more interested in debating my name.

My name is Alexander Collin Baker. My first two initials are "A.C." When I was a baby, my dad called me "A.C.

Did Chek address my argument?

Chek,

You're ignoring what I have termed "the force paradox". In order to claim that 3.7 million J of KE hit the wall of the tower, you must consider the mass of the aircraft as one soli ...

Not only are the two videos above inconsistent with each other, they both are inconsistent with Chopper 5.

Chopper 5, the noses comes to a point. An exploding squib cannot come to a point.

Ple ...

If they show exactly the same thing, why is one lumpy and looks like dust, while the other is smooth, and looks like a nose/missile?

They don't look the same, and you know it.

Compare these two views, which are synchronized. I'd say the one on the left is authentic, the one on the right has a nose-out added. In any case, they cannot both be authentic, they are mutually excl ...

Earlier today, I sent Mr. Salter a renewed request for his Hi Resolution Chopper 5.

Dear Eric,

I again request that you digitize and make available your Chopper 5 clip, at DV quality. Please lea ...

Salter is the only one I know of who has openly supported the plane theory. Perhaps he'll do it, but I suspect he is quite afraid of debating me.

In your dreams, Arse. But the ego is sits well in ...

I told Mark I'd be willing to participate in a debate, depending on the actual debate topic.

I would suggest this:

"UA flight 175, a Boeing 767 impacted the South Tower on 9/11".

I ...

Here are two shots from the same point in time, as near as I can tell. One has a dust explosion + a nose out, the other one has a dust explosion only.
Clearly these two are incompatible.

http://ww ...

I am intensely confused by this thread. There are some small blurs (that all look slightly different to me) that are supposed to confirm the 'nose out' is the nose? Frankly, I don't find that convinci ...

Marky has failed the test. I at least commend you for taking the test honestly. Thank you for making the point. They are indistinguishable.

Would anyone else like to guess which are "nose

Chek, you are making and repeating a claim. You are claiming that the "dust explosion" looks different than the "nose". Come on, Chek. I'll even give you a hint. 3 of them are

Marky has failed the test. I at least commend you for taking the test honestly. Thank you for making the point. They are indistinguishable.

Would anyone else like to guess which are "nose

Compare two different frames that are both of the airplane nose. They will not look identical. This is due to several factors:

1. The viewing angle changes.
2. The limitation of the resolution of ...

Chek, you began by saying that the size and shape of the nose and the "nose out" were "not even close".

I've simply enlarged and cropped 6 examples, and rotated them for conve ...

Chek,

The images in my 6 examples are not tweaked at all. All of them are enlarged by exactly the same amount, and rotated 90 degrees obviously.

Thank you for admitting that they are indistingui ...

So what is your explanation for why there is no plane in the wide shot of Chopper 5?

It's invisible. Point out something else in the longshot with a15ft width resolution, and we'll talk further.
...

Now you refer to the fact that Eric Salter attempts to dismiss my control case in Chopper 5 saying it is of higher quality. Recall that Salter directs our attention to the detail in my building, which ...

OK. What would falsify your hypothesis is a control case.

On a clear day, in the morning, shooting eastward, we try to video a plane from a distance of 4 miles, zoomed out so as to make the plane ...

So what is your explanation for why there is no plane in the wide shot of Chopper 5?

1. It is in the shot, but too small to see.
2. It is out of the shot.

What would it take to falsify that vie ...

Perhaps you can join me in requesting that Eric Salter release his VHS copy of Chopper 5, in high resolution. He's released the very end of it in high resolution, but the wide shot only in low resolut ...

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Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:25 am Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	And why, pray tell, was Chopper 5 cleansed from the archives? (Dying to hear this one).
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:24 am Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	LOL. Then why were other, far worse, far less dramatic shots shown over and over, as they became available? What a contradiction.
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:43 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	The best answer was: They didn't think the shot was good enough? Is that about it?
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:51 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Bump. Very important question. Why did they never show Chopper 5? Any plane huggers have an answer?
Topic: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:49 am Subject: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	This is why a simple name is not enough. There need to be identifying credentials of some sort. Yes, of course a debate proceeds on evidence. Perhaps one party will win, and the other will be made ...
Topic: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:48 am Subject: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Eric Salter has officially declined, informing me that he has gone back into retirement from "this issue". The issue of real names is a pretty important one. If an anonymous poster spews ...
Topic: noseout or dust/explosion out?
Ace Baker Replies: 25 Views: 8908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:52 am Subject: noseout or dust/explosion out?
Ace Baker Replies: 25 Views: 8908	In chopper 5, the "dust explosion" is indistinguishable from the nose. I've already proven this. Anyone who disagrees is invited to take the "nose out challenge". Is there an ...
Topic: noseout or dust/explosion out?
Ace Baker Replies: 25 Views: 8908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:45 pm Subject: noseout or dust/explosion out?
Ace Baker Replies: 25 Views: 8908	In chopper 5, the "dust explosion" is indistinguishable from the nose. I've already proven this. Anyone who disagrees is invited to take the "nose out challenge". Is there an ...
Topic: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:30 pm Subject: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Sounds like plane theorists are more interested in debating my name. My name is Alexander Collin Baker. My first two initials are "A.C." When I was a baby, my dad called me "A.C.
Topic: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:23 pm Subject: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Did Chek address my argument?
Topic: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:47 am Subject: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Chek, You're ignoring what I have termed "the force paradox". In order to claim that 3.7 million J of KE hit the wall of the tower, you must consider the mass of the aircraft as one soli ...
Topic: noseout or dust/explosion out?
Ace Baker Replies: 25 Views: 8908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:35 pm Subject: noseout or dust/explosion out?
Ace Baker Replies: 25 Views: 8908	Not only are the two videos above inconsistent with each other, they both are inconsistent with Chopper 5. Chopper 5, the noses comes to a point. An exploding squib cannot come to a point. Ple ...
Topic: noseout or dust/explosion out?
Ace Baker Replies: 25 Views: 8908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:42 pm Subject: noseout or dust/explosion out?
Ace Baker Replies: 25 Views: 8908	If they show exactly the same thing, why is one lumpy and looks like dust, while the other is smooth, and looks like a nose/missile? They don't look the same, and you know it.
Topic: noseout or dust/explosion out?
Ace Baker Replies: 25 Views: 8908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:19 pm Subject: noseout or dust/explosion out?
Ace Baker Replies: 25 Views: 8908	Compare these two views, which are synchronized. I'd say the one on the left is authentic, the one on the right has a nose-out added. In any case, they cannot both be authentic, they are mutually excl ...
Topic: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:07 am Subject: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Earlier today, I sent Mr. Salter a renewed request for his Hi Resolution Chopper 5. Dear Eric, I again request that you digitize and make available your Chopper 5 clip, at DV quality. Please lea ...
Topic: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:05 am Subject: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Salter is the only one I know of who has openly supported the plane theory. Perhaps he'll do it, but I suspect he is quite afraid of debating me. In your dreams, Arse. But the ego is sits well in ...
Topic: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:49 pm Subject: Proposal to debate NPT
Ace Baker Replies: 91 Views: 47332	I told Mark I'd be willing to participate in a debate, depending on the actual debate topic. I would suggest this: "UA flight 175, a Boeing 767 impacted the South Tower on 9/11". I ...
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:51 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Here are two shots from the same point in time, as near as I can tell. One has a dust explosion + a nose out, the other one has a dust explosion only. Clearly these two are incompatible. http://ww ...
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:27 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	I am intensely confused by this thread. There are some small blurs (that all look slightly different to me) that are supposed to confirm the 'nose out' is the nose? Frankly, I don't find that convinci ...
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:19 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Marky has failed the test. I at least commend you for taking the test honestly. Thank you for making the point. They are indistinguishable. Would anyone else like to guess which are "nose
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:56 am Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Chek, you are making and repeating a claim. You are claiming that the "dust explosion" looks different than the "nose". Come on, Chek. I'll even give you a hint. 3 of them are
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:22 am Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Marky has failed the test. I at least commend you for taking the test honestly. Thank you for making the point. They are indistinguishable. Would anyone else like to guess which are "nose
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:28 am Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Compare two different frames that are both of the airplane nose. They will not look identical. This is due to several factors: 1. The viewing angle changes. 2. The limitation of the resolution of ...
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:28 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Chek, you began by saying that the size and shape of the nose and the "nose out" were "not even close". I've simply enlarged and cropped 6 examples, and rotated them for conve ...
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:57 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Chek, The images in my 6 examples are not tweaked at all. All of them are enlarged by exactly the same amount, and rotated 90 degrees obviously. Thank you for admitting that they are indistingui ...
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:04 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	So what is your explanation for why there is no plane in the wide shot of Chopper 5? It's invisible. Point out something else in the longshot with a15ft width resolution, and we'll talk further. ...
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:59 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Now you refer to the fact that Eric Salter attempts to dismiss my control case in Chopper 5 saying it is of higher quality. Recall that Salter directs our attention to the detail in my building, which ...
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:17 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	OK. What would falsify your hypothesis is a control case. On a clear day, in the morning, shooting eastward, we try to video a plane from a distance of 4 miles, zoomed out so as to make the plane ...
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:12 pm Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	So what is your explanation for why there is no plane in the wide shot of Chopper 5? 1. It is in the shot, but too small to see. 2. It is out of the shot. What would it take to falsify that vie ...
Topic: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:11 am Subject: Why did major networks NOT show the chopper 5 footage?
Ace Baker Replies: 165 Views: 46908	Perhaps you can join me in requesting that Eric Salter release his VHS copy of Chopper 5, in high resolution. He's released the very end of it in high resolution, but the wide shot only in low resolut ...