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In defence of my assertions.
I'm sure you, as I, are aware of the arguments regarding cut beams. Regarding the main image of contention it is stated, 'the image, taken a few days after 9/11 (and bef ...

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is ...

How is it a big difference?

Well you can see how the debate here has been polarised.

There's one perception that we are talking about a clandestine group, who pretend they don't even exist. Stra ...

Have a look, to begin with, at the leaks from the 2002 conference, about the invasion of Iraq.

Link?

On the face of it there would be no surprise if the Bilderberg conference had a strong emphas ...

Of course not!! Why - they don't even exist!!! And while they aren't existing they do so in great secret which is perfectly reasonable.

I don't think they do meet in secret. They just don't publici ...

Is there any direct first-hand evidence that the Bilderberg group are in any way nefarious?

They run a conference for a group of influential individuals to meet each year. Is there anything wrong w ...

I agree. Comparing this partial collapse with the total collapse of wtc7 works against the critic's case.

It depends on the aspect of the collapse you focus on - if you concentrate solely on the wo ...

What is known, from photographic evidence is that some supporting beams had been cut to a regular form, this has no resemblance steel suffering fracture due to pressure...

And it was never claimed ...

You have some implied south side claims but not a single account that gives a clear description of the flight path as the plane approached.

The reason for that is simple - there is no debunker equi ...

I could respond to some of the points you made there but I don't think it would really get us anywhere. I'm happy that we have many examples of CIT and this Caustic Logic blogger looking at witness ac ...

Sure witnesses do not always exactly agree but all of the eye-witnesses interviewed so far who give a flightpath do not give a south of Citgo flightpath.

This is absolutely not true. I listed a few ...

It isn't a theory, it is corroborating witnesses saying the plane flew a particular path. In the absence of witnesses saying the plane flew another path, it starts to become proof. 13 to 1 is the scor ...

I am happy to end it as you appear to have no interest in discussing the event at hand - you keep talking about Flight 587 as if it is relevant.

Pure obfuscation. That is the first time I've mentio ...

I don't accept that the plane hit the building because there is no evidence that a plane flying the North of Citgo flightpath hit the building.

The fact is that every witness within view saw the pl ...

As you have said previously, all of the physical evidence appears to support it, however unlikely the damage to the Pentagon is following collision with a large jet.

I suppose this is progress from ...

On the lack of South-of-citgo witnesses, there's a nice blog attempt to identify some from freely-available accounts...

http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2008/08/south-path-impact-documen ted.htm ...

Yes I do talk to you about logic because if they saw the plane North of the Citgo, IT COULDN'T HAVE HIT THE LIGHT POLES. You are raising a point which makes me think you have never even looked at an o ...

You really love that book don't you? Have you actually read it yet? CIT are looking at the approach of the plane so let's take a look at what your beloved book says about that.

What kind of campaig ...

The CIT list of eye-witnesses who observed a plane north of the Citgo gas station has now reached a dozen. There are still no authenticated eye-witnesses to the light poles being struck or the collisi ...

Does this look like damage caused by falling debris? Nope, it’s too neat, too clean, and too ‘all-the-way-down’. Falling debris doesn’t cause damage like this, nor does explosives.

Total sp ...

As I say, the strong likelihood is that Jennings' recollections were slightly hazy. You may disagree, but I think that is the most reasonable explanation.

Slightly hazy? You still haven't addresse ...

It's a minor point. Is Jennings classed as an occupant or a responder?
What part of EVERYONE are you having trouble understanding?

I don't really understand what point you're trying to make. Peopl ...

I think you know what Jennings case is, he states that there was a massive explosion in WTC7 before the towers fell. Critics try and pass off what he experienced as the towers collapsing.

Well beca ...

Erm that was my point, they haven't released their figures.

There is a report full of figures.

Prove to me that there are figures that NIST could release that they have held back. You can't.

...

Why are you willing to support this if even YOU haven´t seen the figures?

What are the figures? Can you explain them to me? What is it that you think is missing? What figures could NIST provide th ...

NIST seem to have proved it without releasing any of the figures they used in their computer models, or even without testing any samples whatsoever of the steel from WTC7. Do you not find this a tad ...

Alex,
In YOUR honest opinion what do you think caused WTC7 to collapse?

As far as I'm concerned NIST seem to have proved that it was probably fire alone.

But I don't see how my personal opinion ...

Here's a video rebutting David Chandler's complaints - principally his claim that the 18 floors took only 3.9 seconds to collapse, and that NIST has made-up the 5.4 second figure it uses.

[youtube] ...

Well obviously retaining some of the wreckage for forensic purposes would have made a lot of sense and would not have been hard to do.

The more evidence the better, I agree. Worth noting that NIST ...

They had no forensic evidence. They had some photos and some videos. In other words, they are guessing.

What would you suggest that they could or should have done differently?

Should all future ...

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Topic: Building collapse in Delft, Holland
Alex_V Replies: 51 Views: 95582	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:25 pm Subject: Building collapse in Delft, Holland
Alex_V Replies: 51 Views: 95582	In defence of my assertions. I'm sure you, as I, are aware of the arguments regarding cut beams. Regarding the main image of contention it is stated, 'the image, taken a few days after 9/11 (and bef ...
Topic: Internet sock puppet arrives to defend Bilderberg - ho ho
Alex_V Replies: 10 Views: 30218	Forum: The Bigger Picture Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 3:56 pm Subject: Internet sock puppet arrives to defend Bilderberg - ho ho
Alex_V Replies: 10 Views: 30218	The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is ...
Topic: Internet sock puppet arrives to defend Bilderberg - ho ho
Alex_V Replies: 10 Views: 30218	Forum: The Bigger Picture Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:46 pm Subject: Internet sock puppet arrives to defend Bilderberg - ho ho
Alex_V Replies: 10 Views: 30218	How is it a big difference? Well you can see how the debate here has been polarised. There's one perception that we are talking about a clandestine group, who pretend they don't even exist. Stra ...
Topic: Internet sock puppet arrives to defend Bilderberg - ho ho
Alex_V Replies: 10 Views: 30218	Forum: The Bigger Picture Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:17 am Subject: Internet sock puppet arrives to defend Bilderberg - ho ho
Alex_V Replies: 10 Views: 30218	Have a look, to begin with, at the leaks from the 2002 conference, about the invasion of Iraq. Link? On the face of it there would be no surprise if the Bilderberg conference had a strong emphas ...
Topic: Internet sock puppet arrives to defend Bilderberg - ho ho
Alex_V Replies: 10 Views: 30218	Forum: The Bigger Picture Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:12 am Subject: Internet sock puppet arrives to defend Bilderberg - ho ho
Alex_V Replies: 10 Views: 30218	Of course not!! Why - they don't even exist!!! And while they aren't existing they do so in great secret which is perfectly reasonable. I don't think they do meet in secret. They just don't publici ...
Topic: Internet sock puppet arrives to defend Bilderberg - ho ho
Alex_V Replies: 10 Views: 30218	Forum: The Bigger Picture Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:54 pm Subject: Internet sock puppet arrives to defend Bilderberg - ho ho
Alex_V Replies: 10 Views: 30218	Is there any direct first-hand evidence that the Bilderberg group are in any way nefarious? They run a conference for a group of influential individuals to meet each year. Is there anything wrong w ...
Topic: Building collapse in Delft, Holland
Alex_V Replies: 51 Views: 95582	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:45 pm Subject: Building collapse in Delft, Holland
Alex_V Replies: 51 Views: 95582	I agree. Comparing this partial collapse with the total collapse of wtc7 works against the critic's case. It depends on the aspect of the collapse you focus on - if you concentrate solely on the wo ...
Topic: Building collapse in Delft, Holland
Alex_V Replies: 51 Views: 95582	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:37 pm Subject: Building collapse in Delft, Holland
Alex_V Replies: 51 Views: 95582	What is known, from photographic evidence is that some supporting beams had been cut to a regular form, this has no resemblance steel suffering fracture due to pressure... And it was never claimed ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:09 am Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	You have some implied south side claims but not a single account that gives a clear description of the flight path as the plane approached. The reason for that is simple - there is no debunker equi ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:12 pm Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	I could respond to some of the points you made there but I don't think it would really get us anywhere. I'm happy that we have many examples of CIT and this Caustic Logic blogger looking at witness ac ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:02 pm Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Sure witnesses do not always exactly agree but all of the eye-witnesses interviewed so far who give a flightpath do not give a south of Citgo flightpath. This is absolutely not true. I listed a few ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:39 am Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	It isn't a theory, it is corroborating witnesses saying the plane flew a particular path. In the absence of witnesses saying the plane flew another path, it starts to become proof. 13 to 1 is the scor ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:37 pm Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	I am happy to end it as you appear to have no interest in discussing the event at hand - you keep talking about Flight 587 as if it is relevant. Pure obfuscation. That is the first time I've mentio ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:28 am Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	I don't accept that the plane hit the building because there is no evidence that a plane flying the North of Citgo flightpath hit the building. The fact is that every witness within view saw the pl ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:16 am Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	As you have said previously, all of the physical evidence appears to support it, however unlikely the damage to the Pentagon is following collision with a large jet. I suppose this is progress from ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:55 am Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	On the lack of South-of-citgo witnesses, there's a nice blog attempt to identify some from freely-available accounts... http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2008/08/south-path-impact-documen ted.htm ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:37 pm Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Yes I do talk to you about logic because if they saw the plane North of the Citgo, IT COULDN'T HAVE HIT THE LIGHT POLES. You are raising a point which makes me think you have never even looked at an o ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:00 pm Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	You really love that book don't you? Have you actually read it yet? CIT are looking at the approach of the plane so let's take a look at what your beloved book says about that. What kind of campaig ...
Topic: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:09 am Subject: Pentagon debunking
Alex_V Replies: 93 Views: 165622	The CIT list of eye-witnesses who observed a plane north of the Citgo gas station has now reached a dozen. There are still no authenticated eye-witnesses to the light poles being struck or the collisi ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:39 pm Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Does this look like damage caused by falling debris? Nope, it’s too neat, too clean, and too ‘all-the-way-down’. Falling debris doesn’t cause damage like this, nor does explosives. Total sp ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:32 pm Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	As I say, the strong likelihood is that Jennings' recollections were slightly hazy. You may disagree, but I think that is the most reasonable explanation. Slightly hazy? You still haven't addresse ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:11 am Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	It's a minor point. Is Jennings classed as an occupant or a responder? What part of EVERYONE are you having trouble understanding? I don't really understand what point you're trying to make. Peopl ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:40 am Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	I think you know what Jennings case is, he states that there was a massive explosion in WTC7 before the towers fell. Critics try and pass off what he experienced as the towers collapsing. Well beca ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:22 pm Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Erm that was my point, they haven't released their figures. There is a report full of figures. Prove to me that there are figures that NIST could release that they have held back. You can't. ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:33 pm Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Why are you willing to support this if even YOU haven´t seen the figures? What are the figures? Can you explain them to me? What is it that you think is missing? What figures could NIST provide th ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:03 pm Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	NIST seem to have proved it without releasing any of the figures they used in their computer models, or even without testing any samples whatsoever of the steel from WTC7. Do you not find this a tad ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:07 pm Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Alex, In YOUR honest opinion what do you think caused WTC7 to collapse? As far as I'm concerned NIST seem to have proved that it was probably fire alone. But I don't see how my personal opinion ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:07 pm Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Here's a video rebutting David Chandler's complaints - principally his claim that the 18 floors took only 3.9 seconds to collapse, and that NIST has made-up the 5.4 second figure it uses. [youtube] ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:53 pm Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Well obviously retaining some of the wreckage for forensic purposes would have made a lot of sense and would not have been hard to do. The more evidence the better, I agree. Worth noting that NIST ...
Topic: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	Forum: Critics' Corner Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:07 pm Subject: NIST tries to explain away the speed of WTC7
Alex_V Replies: 76 Views: 158167	They had no forensic evidence. They had some photos and some videos. In other words, they are guessing. What would you suggest that they could or should have done differently? Should all future ...