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I'm curious whether people see this as significant.

Naomi Wolf made a good argument, as did Robert Scheer, that this places the 9/11 official story into question:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/p ...

OK, Anthony, I apologize. It was careless on my part to attribute the quote to you.

But Tim was criticising me, not you, I think. He was saying that I was implying that the rate of descent was ...

"the term being used to add unconnected elements and to embellish."

The term is a good faith attempt to describe what I think appears in the videos. I'm not "using" it to do a ...

Anthony Lawson at JREF:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=29a21b7c0c789181abd346ceb8295 74b&t=94642&page=21

"I thought that this “forum” might be a source of some ...

I oppose very much accusations of shill and limited hangout against people that question NPT. But much of the evidence for planes consists of shoddy videos and photos of planes and plane debris.

OK Lawson, so you didn't say it, you quoted it. Excuse me. But what difference does it make? I was not disputing the content of the statement. I was simply trying to make a point. You attack me ...

" your kinda of saying that if i think npt is based on lies then i must believe the offical storey, which is very silly and dos'nt wash. it dos'nt suprise me to be honest, npt'ers often excuse th ...

May I take this as stating your belief that the buildings collapsed as claimed by NIST, or are you just avoiding the question?

Anthony Lawson said:

"Flight 175 went from 31,000 feet to 800 feet in approximately 9 minutes, attaining a maximum 10,000 fpm dive rate during this maneuver. The aircraft would absolutely have ...

"this is simply a silly comment and no thought went into it,"

Really? What if we were talking about another issue? Say the buildings. Is it your position that just because the governm ...

You can't prove a lie. Even the September Clues "debunkers" are now acknowledging the obvious about the crash physics.

I'll take the risk of being proven wrong over the risk of being ...

No, it's how the perpetrators' fraud works. All you, Lawson, and Irving have shown me is that they may get away with it.

I didn't imply, I said you're domesticated. Don't take it personally, we ...

You're right. There's no way for me to definitively distinguish fake from real. But it's perfectly logical to look at physical possibility to determine whether a photo is evidence for what it is off ...

I've yet to see much of a question. Just faulty assertions and false aspersions.

"you really do need poor qaulity videos to fool people don't you, but when someone turns up with the same shot in better quality to reveal the truth you still claim both shots show something diff ...

Please write more clearly.

In case I was the one that did not write clearly, I will explain what I meant. A real person could have taken the picture and the object could have been there exactly a ...

I'm not seeing your argument, Bushwacker. Whether data transmission was real time or not, it would be transmitted to ARINC or BTS. Why would AA or UA be in a position to delete or not delete?

W ...

http://old.911digitalarchive.org/images/details/402

Thanks - I've never seen this.

Have you read this?

http://911digitalarchive.org/about/faq.html#q11

"That said, most people who ta ...

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4088/wheel2bin2bbroken2bsteeei0.jpg

Are you aware that this panel weighs 6 tons? At least I've read that, though that is heavier than I would have thought.

Th ...

does this help?

http://www.911blogger.com/node/8487

What, a picture of a plane part in CNN? Of course it does not help.

You can read my debate with Greg Jenkins at that link, by the way.

like i said to prove npt or once you believe the theory you have to ignore all evidence for a plane as demonstrated by the post ive just qouted and responded to.

http://www.911disinformation.com/n ...

Thanks for telling me about the gallery. Here's a larger version of Handschuh's shot:

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0110/main04.htm

"but he does show a plane if you view the gallery.

"yes that is mainly what i think it is, somebody(person/group/agency, who knows) is feeding people with information that is deceptive and wrong, once you get people believing the false informatio ...

"both shots do show planes, there is no could about it."

No, one shot shows a very blurry image that could be something else.

"you mean feeding your belief system."

A typical snide remark. Is this the best I can hope for from you all? Perhaps I'm wasting my time here.

"what about a passenger jet traveling at around 500mph? "

Not sure what you mean. The aluminum is as strong at 500 mph as it is at rest, I presume.

I didn't say they were beer cans. ...

Seamless penetration of the planes is physically impossible. The aluminum is weaker than the steel. There's no way te plane would glide in to the building as shown in Fairbanks video.

After hear ...

Chek said:

" (hint: investigate the point(s) of impact and weakest links further)"

Could you please explain? Thank you.

If someone found an authentic picture with no plane, yes, it would be evidence.

David Handschuh's photo suggests no plane, and could be authenticated by him.

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue ...

What about the videos showing the plane entering the building. (Fairbanks, Myers, CBC/Cheney). These events are impossible. Were these videos created to deceive? Perhaps, but why? And where was t ...

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Topic: CIA Interrogation Videos
Ningen Replies: 2 Views: 2048	Forum: Stratehy Of Tension, Fake Terror, 9/11 & 7/7 Truth News Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:52 am Subject: CIA Interrogation Videos
Ningen Replies: 2 Views: 2048	I'm curious whether people see this as significant. Naomi Wolf made a good argument, as did Robert Scheer, that this places the 9/11 official story into question: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/p ...
Topic: 9/11: Impossible Speed & Impact? - More Disinfo Busted!
Ningen Replies: 96 Views: 38004	Forum: Stratehy Of Tension, Fake Terror, 9/11 & 7/7 Truth News Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:15 pm Subject: 9/11: Impossible Speed & Impact? - More Disinfo Busted!
Ningen Replies: 96 Views: 38004	OK, Anthony, I apologize. It was careless on my part to attribute the quote to you. But Tim was criticising me, not you, I think. He was saying that I was implying that the rate of descent was ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:10 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	"the term being used to add unconnected elements and to embellish." The term is a good faith attempt to describe what I think appears in the videos. I'm not "using" it to do a ...
Topic: 9/11: Impossible Speed & Impact? - More Disinfo Busted!
Ningen Replies: 96 Views: 38004	Forum: Stratehy Of Tension, Fake Terror, 9/11 & 7/7 Truth News Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:03 pm Subject: 9/11: Impossible Speed & Impact? - More Disinfo Busted!
Ningen Replies: 96 Views: 38004	Anthony Lawson at JREF: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=29a21b7c0c789181abd346ceb8295 74b&t=94642&page=21 "I thought that this “forum” might be a source of some ...
Topic: Proposal to debate NPT
Ningen Replies: 91 Views: 43872	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:16 am Subject: Proposal to debate NPT
Ningen Replies: 91 Views: 43872	I oppose very much accusations of shill and limited hangout against people that question NPT. But much of the evidence for planes consists of shoddy videos and photos of planes and plane debris.
Topic: 9/11: Impossible Speed & Impact? - More Disinfo Busted!
Ningen Replies: 96 Views: 38004	Forum: Stratehy Of Tension, Fake Terror, 9/11 & 7/7 Truth News Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:20 am Subject: 9/11: Impossible Speed & Impact? - More Disinfo Busted!
Ningen Replies: 96 Views: 38004	OK Lawson, so you didn't say it, you quoted it. Excuse me. But what difference does it make? I was not disputing the content of the statement. I was simply trying to make a point. You attack me ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:03 pm Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	" your kinda of saying that if i think npt is based on lies then i must believe the offical storey, which is very silly and dos'nt wash. it dos'nt suprise me to be honest, npt'ers often excuse th ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:14 pm Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	May I take this as stating your belief that the buildings collapsed as claimed by NIST, or are you just avoiding the question?
Topic: 9/11: Impossible Speed & Impact? - More Disinfo Busted!
Ningen Replies: 96 Views: 38004	Forum: Stratehy Of Tension, Fake Terror, 9/11 & 7/7 Truth News Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:36 am Subject: 9/11: Impossible Speed & Impact? - More Disinfo Busted!
Ningen Replies: 96 Views: 38004	Anthony Lawson said: "Flight 175 went from 31,000 feet to 800 feet in approximately 9 minutes, attaining a maximum 10,000 fpm dive rate during this maneuver. The aircraft would absolutely have ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:38 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	"this is simply a silly comment and no thought went into it," Really? What if we were talking about another issue? Say the buildings. Is it your position that just because the governm ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:33 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	You can't prove a lie. Even the September Clues "debunkers" are now acknowledging the obvious about the crash physics. I'll take the risk of being proven wrong over the risk of being ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:57 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	No, it's how the perpetrators' fraud works. All you, Lawson, and Irving have shown me is that they may get away with it. I didn't imply, I said you're domesticated. Don't take it personally, we ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:01 pm Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	You're right. There's no way for me to definitively distinguish fake from real. But it's perfectly logical to look at physical possibility to determine whether a photo is evidence for what it is off ...
Topic: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:47 pm Subject: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	I've yet to see much of a question. Just faulty assertions and false aspersions.
Topic: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:45 pm Subject: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	"you really do need poor qaulity videos to fool people don't you, but when someone turns up with the same shot in better quality to reveal the truth you still claim both shots show something diff ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:50 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Please write more clearly. In case I was the one that did not write clearly, I will explain what I meant. A real person could have taken the picture and the object could have been there exactly a ...
Topic: Reply from Bureau of Transportation Statistics
Ningen Replies: 14 Views: 5216	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:48 am Subject: Reply from Bureau of Transportation Statistics
Ningen Replies: 14 Views: 5216	I'm not seeing your argument, Bushwacker. Whether data transmission was real time or not, it would be transmitted to ARINC or BTS. Why would AA or UA be in a position to delete or not delete? W ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:29 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	http://old.911digitalarchive.org/images/details/402 Thanks - I've never seen this. Have you read this? http://911digitalarchive.org/about/faq.html#q11 "That said, most people who ta ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:24 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4088/wheel2bin2bbroken2bsteeei0.jpg Are you aware that this panel weighs 6 tons? At least I've read that, though that is heavier than I would have thought. Th ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:12 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	does this help? http://www.911blogger.com/node/8487 What, a picture of a plane part in CNN? Of course it does not help. You can read my debate with Greg Jenkins at that link, by the way.
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:07 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	like i said to prove npt or once you believe the theory you have to ignore all evidence for a plane as demonstrated by the post ive just qouted and responded to. http://www.911disinformation.com/n ...
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:53 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Thanks for telling me about the gallery. Here's a larger version of Handschuh's shot: http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0110/main04.htm "but he does show a plane if you view the gallery.
Topic: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:45 am Subject: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	"yes that is mainly what i think it is, somebody(person/group/agency, who knows) is feeding people with information that is deceptive and wrong, once you get people believing the false informatio ...
Topic: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:42 am Subject: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	"both shots do show planes, there is no could about it." No, one shot shows a very blurry image that could be something else.
Topic: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:40 am Subject: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	"you mean feeding your belief system." A typical snide remark. Is this the best I can hope for from you all? Perhaps I'm wasting my time here.
Topic: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:37 am Subject: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	"what about a passenger jet traveling at around 500mph? " Not sure what you mean. The aluminum is as strong at 500 mph as it is at rest, I presume. I didn't say they were beer cans. ...
Topic: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:36 pm Subject: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	Seamless penetration of the planes is physically impossible. The aluminum is weaker than the steel. There's no way te plane would glide in to the building as shown in Fairbanks video. After hear ...
Topic: Proposal to debate NPT
Ningen Replies: 91 Views: 43872	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:38 am Subject: Proposal to debate NPT
Ningen Replies: 91 Views: 43872	Chek said: " (hint: investigate the point(s) of impact and weakest links further)" Could you please explain? Thank you.
Topic: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:33 am Subject: NPT Proof Needed
Ningen Replies: 32 Views: 13410	If someone found an authentic picture with no plane, yes, it would be evidence. David Handschuh's photo suggests no plane, and could be authenticated by him. http://digitaljournalist.org/issue ...
Topic: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	Forum: 9/11 & 7/7 Truth Controversies Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:42 pm Subject: How the 911 truth movement is being steered
Ningen Replies: 44 Views: 19840	What about the videos showing the plane entering the building. (Fairbanks, Myers, CBC/Cheney). These events are impossible. Were these videos created to deceive? Perhaps, but why? And where was t ...