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Great work, I appreciate it personally.
Also - the line "So, what about it Jeffrey 'pump it out' Hill....now that you know the facts are you going to apologise to the people you have insulted and mislead and 'Pump it back in'..???"
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Anyway....good video.
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| Do Boeing or anyone make DU tipped nose/engines/wings aircraft? could a standard aluminium fuselage and 'whatever they make the nosecone from'-plane have penetrated all that south tower steel and concrete intact as it appeared in film from the south east? do you get a flash when DU impacts steel or aluminium facia? |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Do Boeing or anyone make DU tipped nose/engines/wings aircraft? could a standard aluminium fuselage and 'whatever they make the nosecone from'-plane have penetrated all that south tower steel and concrete intact as it appeared in film from the south east? do you get a flash when DU impacts steel or aluminium facia? |
Do you think that it would have been beyond the capabilities of the people who were able to shut down NORAD and the rest of the North American defence system, for four hours or so, on 9/11, to have a couple of second-hand planes modified to do what the videos and photographs show?
Don't you ever watch, or at least turn off in disgust, any of the programmes where America shows off the evil weaponry they've developed to penetrate caves in Afghanistan and incinerate their occupants, for example?
Please tell me you were joking.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Are you being silly? |
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| Anthony Lawson wrote: | Are you being silly?
| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Do Boeing or anyone make DU tipped nose/engines/wings aircraft? could a standard aluminium fuselage and 'whatever they make the nosecone from'-plane have penetrated all that south tower steel and concrete intact as it appeared in film from the south east? do you get a flash when DU impacts steel or aluminium facia? |
Do you think that it would have been beyond the capabilities of the people who were able to shut down NORAD and the rest of the North American defence system, for four hours or so, on 9/11, to have a couple of second-hand planes modified to do what the videos and photographs show?
Don't you ever watch, or at least turn off in disgust, any of the programmes where America shows off the evil weaponry they've developed to penetrate caves in Afghanistan and incinerate their occupants, for example?
Please tell me you were joking. |
Calm down! it was part rhetorical question part honest enquiry, we're not all ofay with what the worlds only superpower have in their arsenal you know, maybe they HAVE holograms and heat rays for all I know!! |
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Hi Anthony.
I'm a bit of an ignoramus on aviation, so please be patient.
Could you explain what Design Diving Speed means please?
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| Excellent film Anthony. Thank you. |
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Great stuff Anthony.
Yet again it demonstrates the fantasies that no plane theory is entirely built upon, and the complete lack of credibilty of clowns like Fetzer and Reynolds.
My one and only (minor) quibble would be your inclusion of the Thrust SSC footage, as supersonic airflow requires special intake geometry to introduce carefully placed shockwaves that slow the air to subsonic speed to avoid the intake fan from stalling.
Thrust 2 (633mph) still amply proves the attainable speed.
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I still have no doubt the footage we all saw on TV was fake, and that the Naudet brothers were complicit.
See what response you get from them if you ask to examine their original footage.
This saga could go on ad infinitum, until the scenario is re-enacted using a real Boeing flying at 450 or whatever MPH into a steel lattice of similar dimensions and thickness. Then you guys will have to eat your words (or I will eat mine, but I know who I'm betting on).
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| outsider wrote: | I still have no doubt the footage we all saw on TV was fake, and that the Naudet brothers were complicit.
See what response you get from them if you ask to examine their original footage.
This saga could go on ad infinitum, until the scenario is re-enacted using a real Boeing flying at 450 or whatever MPH into a steel lattice of similar dimensions and thickness. Then you guys will have to eat your words (or I will eat mine, but I know who I'm betting on). |
Somehow, with the no planers inane, diversionary and most of all unfounded claims regarding the aircraft's capabilities and the witnesses who must be bent and/or mistaken, methinks thou dost protest too much.
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| outsider wrote: | I still have no doubt the footage we all saw on TV was fake, and that the Naudet brothers were complicit.
See what response you get from them if you ask to examine their original footage. |
Oh, what response is that then?
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| GazeboflossUK wrote: | | outsider wrote: | I still have no doubt the footage we all saw on TV was fake, and that the Naudet brothers were complicit.
See what response you get from them if you ask to examine their original footage. |
Oh, what response is that then? |
I haven't asked them, but I think there's more chance of the moon being made of green cheese (or even a steel structure covered in rocks, to protect it from meteor strikes - I kid you not, this has been posited as fact by a 911 campaigner) than them providing it.
A while back, one of our contributors on the forum had a very good image of the 'plane' going back and forth into the Tower, which demonstrated to my satisfaction that the footage we all saw on 9/11 was fake; in fact I had decided it was fake long before, from seeing the slowed-down footage on Jimmy Walter's 'Confronting the Evidence'.
I do not maintain there were no planes, just that that footage was fake.
And no amount of other 'independent' footage will convince me that that is not the case. Wings do not glide effortlessly through steel, with no decelaration or swinging forward as nose would have impacted building.
What can do that is computer simulation. Compare the Tower impact footage with the admittedly simulated footage of a Boeing crashing into the Pentagon in 'Loose Change 2'. See any similarities?
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| outsider wrote: | | Wings do not glide effortlessly through steel, |
This familiar and constantly repeated phrase always rings alarm bells with me, as it suggests post-hypnotic suggestion from watching slo-motion lo-grade video of an event of unimaginable violence that occurred in less than an eighth a second.
| outsider wrote: | | with no decelaration or swinging forward as nose would have impacted building. |
Using the Evan Fairbank video, Greg Jenkins claims to be able to detect slight deceleration, but to me it's unnoticeable.
The Scandia Phantom reactor wall crash test however graphically and unmistakeably shows that what you might 'expect' isn't what happens. That Phantom's tail just keeps ploughing steadily and unwaveringly towards its own destruction.
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i think some in the npt crowd could do with tips on how to make a video that explains what they are trying to say but is also a good watch, your video was good stuff, and very professional, well it certainly beats out there drum and bass music put to the image of 9/11 whilst having very suggestive and deceptive text appear every so often. |
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I think that's mainly because Anthony's videos are designed to be old-school informative documentaries that actually layout information that's easily understandable and relevantly illustrated.
As opposed to the infotainment distraction-fests and Haupt-inspired brainwashing subliminal mindf*cks the NPT cell usually employs.
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| Chek wrote: | | methinks thou dost protest too much. |
Says Chek, who seemingly cannot stop his/herself from doing just that.
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | | Chek wrote: | | methinks thou dost protest too much. |
Says Chek, who seemingly cannot stop his/herself from doing just that. |
"I still have no doubt the footage we all saw on TV was fake, and that the Naudet brothers were complicit.
See what response you get from them if you ask to examine their original footage.
This saga could go on ad infinitum, until the scenario is re-enacted using a real Boeing flying at 450 or whatever MPH into a steel lattice of similar dimensions and thickness. Then you guys will have to eat your words (or I will eat mine, but I know who I'm betting on)."
Mark, I know you can't help leaping to the defence of no planers, but why not speak out not only against ignorance, but accusations of accessory to murder casually made by the uninformed solely as a means of clinging to their faith as "outsider" did?
Or is that acceptable and unworthy of comment in your morally sterile view?
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| chek wrote: | | Mark Gobell wrote: | | Chek wrote: | | methinks thou dost protest too much. |
Says Chek, who seemingly cannot stop his/herself from doing just that. |
"I still have no doubt the footage we all saw on TV was fake, and that the Naudet brothers were complicit.
See what response you get from them if you ask to examine their original footage.
This saga could go on ad infinitum, until the scenario is re-enacted using a real Boeing flying at 450 or whatever MPH into a steel lattice of similar dimensions and thickness. Then you guys will have to eat your words (or I will eat mine, but I know who I'm betting on)."
Mark, I know you can't help leaping to the defence of no planers, but why not speak out not only against ignorance, but accusations of accessory to murder casually made by the uninformed solely as a means of clinging to their faith as "outsider" did?
Or is that acceptable and unworthy of comment in your morally sterile view? |
I wasn't aware that I am leaping to the defence of anyone.
I was attempting to characterise your behaviour and posting style Chek.
I think it was a fair characterisation of you.
As for your attempt to equate that characterisation with "accessory to murder" and then question my morality, I think it speaks volumes about your character, your tactics and your mind.
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | | As for your attempt to equate that characterisation with "accessory to murder" and then question my morality, I think it speaks volumes about your character, your tactics and your mind. |
Which, correct me if I'm wrong, was exactly the point I made about your stance.
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Your "point" as you would have it, was founded on your notion that I was somehow defending somebody.
That assumption was a false assumption.
I wasn't defending anyone.
I clarified my post by stating it was imo a fair attempt to characterise your behaviour.
So not defending anyone there.
Building on your false assumption you then attempt to smear me by equating my post, which was about you, nobody else, with "accessory to murder" and my "sterile morality".
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Does the phrase 'not seeing the wood for the trees' mean anything to you Mark?
Perhaps if you actually had noticed what I was objecting to, you might have avoided jumping on the fact that I was objecting (and you were thus by default defending) and making yourself look increasingly foolish.
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | | Chek wrote: | | methinks thou dost protest too much. |
Says Chek, who seemingly cannot stop his/herself from doing just that. |
That is what I posted Chek.
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | | Mark Gobell wrote: | | Chek wrote: | | methinks thou dost protest too much. |
Says Chek, who seemingly cannot stop his/herself from doing just that. |
That is what I posted Chek. |
Yes I'm quite aware of that Mark, and in so doing gave "outsider" (whose comment I was addressing) and his cheap assertions (including accessory to mass murder) a free pass, which illustrates your priorities well enough.
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | Hi Anthony.
I'm a bit of an ignoramus on aviation, so please be patient.
Could you explain what Design Diving Speed means please? |
Hello Mark: The words, in that order, do not appear in my script. The closest I could come to explaining them would be: "the maximum dive speed at which the aircraft is designed to be safe."
VD, stands for Velocity Dive, and is explained in some manuals as: Maximum dive speed. This is an FAA imposed limitation, not necessarily the speed at which the aircraft company tested the plane, which would, almost certainly, be at a higher speed.
As I'm sure you realise, Ferraris do not break apart when they pass a 70 mph sign while travelling at 140 mph, but a lot of people believe that a speed limitation imposed by the FAA, or any other regulatory body, is the actual speed beyond which it would be disastrous to fly the aircraft in question.
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Anthony Lawson wrote: | Are you being silly?
| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Do Boeing or anyone make DU tipped nose/engines/wings aircraft? could a standard aluminium fuselage and 'whatever they make the nosecone from'-plane have penetrated all that south tower steel and concrete intact as it appeared in film from the south east? do you get a flash when DU impacts steel or aluminium facia? |
Do you think that it would have been beyond the capabilities of the people who were able to shut down NORAD and the rest of the North American defence system, for four hours or so, on 9/11, to have a couple of second-hand planes modified to do what the videos and photographs show?
Don't you ever watch, or at least turn off in disgust, any of the programmes where America shows off the evil weaponry they've developed to penetrate caves in Afghanistan and incinerate their occupants, for example?
Please tell me you were joking. |
Calm down! it was part rhetorical question part honest enquiry, we're not all ofay with what the worlds only superpower have in their arsenal you know, maybe they HAVE holograms and heat rays for all I know!! |
Okay, but holograms are out. They need a screen to bounce the light back. Clouds, mist, water sprays and steam have been used, but there was none of that about, that day. I wouldn't know about heat rays, but they wouldn't make aircraft appear on peoples retinas and cameras.
My suggestion about the DU attached to the planes was only that: a suggestion. But please check out my next post.
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| outsider wrote: | I still have no doubt the footage we all saw on TV was fake, and that the Naudet brothers were complicit.
See what response you get from them if you ask to examine their original footage.
This saga could go on ad infinitum, until the scenario is re-enacted using a real Boeing flying at 450 or whatever MPH into a steel lattice of similar dimensions and thickness. Then you guys will have to eat your words (or I will eat mine, but I know who I'm betting on). |
Go to this web page: http://www.withthecommand.com/2002-Jan/NY-empireplane.html
Read the whole article and look at the pictures. Can you imagine what would have been the result if that B25 had been travelling more than twice as fast?
Why would the Naudet brothers release their original "footage" to you? You'd only tell them that it was a copy. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that they were complicit in any kind of faked video conspiracy. I've spent my entire working life involved with sound, film and video. Jules Naudet's shot is as genuine as any shot that I've ever taken.
If you are married, and I told you that your wife was having an affair, why should you believe me, a complete stranger? But the idea might fester. That's what has been done to the Naudet brothers. Find some evidence before slagging off decent people. You should join Jeffrey Hill's lynch mob; your victims would include Carmen Taylor, the helicopter pilot, Park Foreman and everyone else who even said they saw the plane.
You can't even quote a decent estimate of the speed of the plane. The Royal Aircraft Establishment calculated 575, and I independently calculated it at 572 mph, for my video "September Clues - Busted!" (QV). The FAA reckoned on 586 mph. All of those speeds are over a 100 mph faster than your "450 or whatever".
You armchair prosecutors, judges and juries, all rolled into one, make me sick.
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| Anthony Lawson wrote: | Not in the script
| Mark Gobell wrote: | Hi Anthony.
I'm a bit of an ignoramus on aviation, so please be patient.
Could you explain what Design Diving Speed means please? |
Hello Mark: The words, in that order, do not appear in my script. The closest I could come to explaining them would be: "the maximum dive speed at which the aircraft is designed to be safe."
VD, stands for Velocity Dive, and is explained in some manuals as: Maximum dive speed. This is an FAA imposed limitation, not necessarily the speed at which the aircraft company tested the plane, which would, almost certainly, be at a higher speed.
As I'm sure you realise, Ferraris do not break apart when they pass a 70 mph sign while travelling at 140 mph, but a lot of people believe that a speed limitation imposed by the FAA, or any other regulatory body, is the actual speed beyond which it would be disastrous to fly the aircraft in question. |
Thanks.
I was curious because you have used that max dive speed to claim that the 767-200 is permitted to fly and fly safely at 483 mph up to 17,854 feet.
Are you sure that this correlation and statement are both correct ?
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