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Noo Labour General Secretary, Peter Watt resigns over David Abrahams' or is it David Martin's multiple identity donations . . .
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I was just thinking - how does a government survive such a meltdown?
And sadly the answer might be the reason I am writing on this message board right now.
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Interesting idea.
Political scandals and corruption are somehow diluted by internet blogging?
Have I understood your point?
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Brown is facing a series of "events".
Are they connected?
Are they simply a series of unconnected events?
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The danger of Brown agreeing to another false flag attack must be very high now.
We should issue an orange alert |
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | Interesting idea.
Political scandals and corruption are somehow diluted by internet blogging?
Have I understood your point? |
Well, I actually meant that the answer to how a government could survive such a meltdown being a new false-flag terror event.
With a false-flag event sadly being the reason behind us all writing on this message board in the first place.
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At the end of the day, Brown and Cokehead-Cameron work for the same side. Brown couldn't care less about the Labour party, or the "workers". Those scum have had their fill at the the trough.
Those socialists have all got their villas in the Algarve, Tuscanny, and their million pound homes in London. They've all got their directorships lined up with the FTSE 100 companies (BP, BT, BG, Rio-Tinto, HSBC, BAE etc etc).
What about that *, Boetang and that other one, Dianne Abbot and their "Yesterday Soweto and tommorrow London" speeches. They're the worst of the lot. They'll be seen on Safari on Africa, living in colonial mansions staffed by slaves. They'll be the owners of the newly built gated community multi-million pound apartment complexes in the inner cities.
Yeah those bar-stewards have had a feast, they've been having a massive money, drink, drug, blood lust and sex fueled orgy, and that isn't metaphorically speaking. It's time for the tory filth to come to power to carry on the good work. It's time for the new lot of thieving scum to come to power and stick thier noses in the trough, the media are setting it up.
The next flase flag will happen when it happens, labour's current problems are irrelevant to the larger controlled political establishment. Think of politicals as only as a stage play, just a bit of a laugh, punch and judy, put on for the stupid people. MI5/6 have planned the next terrorist attack and they will stage it when it suits them, labour loosing the election is only a show for the people. There is more reality in taking an acid trip, and getting high on opium at the same time, metaphorically speaking.
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| Quote: | | There is more reality in taking an acid trip, and getting high on opium at the same time, metaphorically speaking. |
Too true.
Isn't the Brown regime being deliberately undermined right now, as some predicted within this timescale, and that he's unlikely to have any power to order a false flag, which power lies in the hands of those pushing the damage?
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Thanks GazeboflossUK.
Could it be that Brown was supposed to have an election perhaps?
This issue with Abrahams for example:
Who knew what and when?
Who released the info?
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I seem to remember that earlier this year, there was quite a lot of talk about Brown not getting the PM at all as Cameron had been to the meeting and therefore was the chosen one. it has struck me today that maybe many of these things have been queueing up for some time - northern rock, donations , sloppy security in the hmrc - none of these are new issues, they must have been bubbling on for some time.
so why not install a fall guy for a few months to clear out all the skeletons, then collapse into the arms of cameron the saviour. i gave him 9 months when he got in, do you think he'll last until April? it'll be refuse collectors on strike next! |
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Abrahams donated 3 times in different names.
The swift response was Mr Watt's resignation.
His disguised donations were made as early as 2003.
| Quote: | In May 2002 Charles Clarke (then chair of the Labour Party) announced the creation of a new six person committee to vet all Labour Party donations of more than £5,000 (source: BBC).
The members were:
* Charles Clarke
* Lord Evans of Temple Guiting, chairman of Faber and Faber
* Margaret Prosser, deputy leader of the Transport and General Workers’ Union
* Lord Levy, the Labour party’s former chief fundraiser
* David Triesman, Labour’s general secretary (during whose tenure several David Abrahams donations were received)
* Baroness Jay of Paddington, former Labour leader of the House of Lords (who has featured in the David Abrahams story already)
The first of the David Abrahams-related donations was made from Janet Dunn, and received by the Labour Party on 31 January 2003, i.e. a few months after this committee was created. It was for £25,000, which is more than the £5,000 threshold for referral to this committee.
So what happened when that donation came in?
Labour’s story so far this week seems to be that the committee never met. But Levy (and almost certainly Clarke and Triesman) would have known that Labour was receiving donations from all sorts of sources for more than £5,000. And several would have known about Labour’s stated policy of having donations of more than £5,000 vetted by the committee. For example, David Triesman appeared on Radio 4’s Today program talking about the new committee.
So what did happen? |
| Quote: | Full text of today's statement released by Jon Mendelsohn, the director of Labour Party General Election resources
Jon Mendelsohn
“When it was announced yesterday that Lord Whitty would be investigating the background to these donations to inform the work of Bishop Harries and Lord McCluskey, I immediately offered to provide all of the details I had.
I started in my role as Director of General Election Resources on the 3 September 2007, work I undertake in a voluntary capacity.
When I was researching previous gifts and plans I enquired into the names of individuals I did not know or otherwise recognise which included Janet Kidd, Raymond Ruddick and latterly John McCarthy.
I was informed by Peter Watt to whom I reported that this was an arrangement with David Abrahams which was long-standing and which was appropriately dealt with in relation to the Party’s reporting requirements. He told me these donations fully complied with the law and I had no reason to doubt that information.
However I was unhappy with the arrangement whereby donations were taken through a third party and was determined it would not play a part in our future plans. I was very concerned that these arrangements did not meet the strict transparency test that I wished to see in place.
I did not discuss this with the officers of the National Executive Committee or party leadership but I decided to tell Mr Abrahams that his method of contribution was unacceptable. I had no intention of asking Mr Abrahams for donations and wanted to give him the courtesy of explaining this personally.
At the beginning of November I asked my assistant to try and fix a personal meeting with Mr Abrahams so that I could tell him this. He was only given the general reason for the meeting that I wanted to update him on our plans. He declined to have a meeting on this basis. He specifically asked if it was for asking for money and was given the reply that it was to update him on our plans.
I had considered it likely that given our personal history of past disagreements he would be reluctant to meet. I signed a typed letter on the 22nd November. The letter does not ask for funds, but is a polite and courteous request to organise a meeting at which I was planning to tell him of my decision.
I am submitting all this evidence to Lord Whitty.“ |
So who are the leaking suspects?
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Too true.
Isn't the Brown regime being deliberately undermined right now, as some predicted within this timescale, and that he's unlikely to have any power to order a false flag, which power lies in the hands of those pushing the damage? |
I disagree.
Brown will either order a false flag like he did when he was handed the premiership.
Or he will accept another Mossad false flag attack like 7/7
The fact is this Labour government has been and continues to be the most crooked in history. People like Abrahams are the real power behind the throne. |
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A couple of coke heads getting together to do a few lines I would have thought. However Bush still has his connections at the CIA and they can still get the keys in via Mena Airport Arkansas, so he can sort Cameron and his rich public school boy friends in the city out.
Cameron can handle the golden brown importation side of the business from Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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If the press are out to get rid of Brown it can only be because they want the 100% pukka zionist Miliband to replace him.
Maybe they are worried Brown will lose his bottle when they want him to join the invasion of Iran. |
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Gordon Brown in a spin |
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| You really need to wise up Karlos. The "Labour" government is crooked because of Blairites and what they have done to it. The only reason for the attacks on Brown is because he is standing up to the money men. He hasn't a chance. By extension neither do we, especially when there are millions like you who do not get the picture. |
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| Quote: | | Brown is because he is standing up to the money men |
Standing up?
Surely you mean BENDING OVER dont you? |
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| I am not a fan of any "New" Labour politician but Brown is far more of a real Socialist than Blair. He has no chance, in the current climate, of taking "Labour" back towards its roots but I believe he would like to undo the excesses of Blair. If he was another Blair why would he be getting the treatment? |
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The only reason why a piece of nonsense like Abrahams would want to "join" the "Labour" party is because in Newcastle where he lives there is little chance of power any other way. For a flavour of what he is like I suggest the following article is very revealing.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/funding/story/0,,2220169,00.html
Why "Labour" would allow themselves to be exposed to dealings with this certified reprobate does not take much imagination.
For "balance" you can read his own version here.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220218,00.html
What a pile of nonsense! The responses are on the ball. This one particularly.
| Quote: | Mr Abrahams, You are the son of a former Lord mayor of Newcastle not a rag and bone man so your attempt to describe yourself as a 'working class boy' rings hollow
What i wish to ask and i see no reason why this comment should be 'moderated' ( aka censored ) is this
Were your donations to various candidates such as Benn, Harman and Hain motivated by your support for Israel?
This is an important point and was the fact that you backed all these competing factions an 'each way bet'
It seems to me that there is a connection between 'labour friends of Israel' and these monies
Its too much of a coincidence that both yourself , Lord Levy and Mr Mendelsohn are all members of that influentiallobby group.
It is also a matter of record that Blair, Brown , straw, Levy Goldsmith etc ( I nearly said El Al) pardon the pun are all mebers.
Surely it is incorrect to lobby on behalf of foreign powers? |
Turn over any piece of nonsense and there's one of "them" under. |
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Beautifully written assessment of the current Labour Government......
| Quote: | They can't even cook their own books
New Labour's donation fiasco is pathetic. We see the big Westminster stage with a cast of insects
Oh for an evil genius, a Blofeld. Oh for a real villain, for web of wickedness, a vortex, a mastermind. Oh for a mind. Oh for a dastardly cause, or a noble cause. Oh for any cause.
For this is what so profoundly depresses in Labour's funding scandal. It's all so low grade. The characters involved are so shrivelled. “Tragic,” say the commentators. But the real tragedy is that the story fails even to rise to the level of tragedy. It's farce: a pathetic, demeaning tale of small minds, small imaginations, small stakes; a silly, twisted, inconsequential tale of paltry people hiding paltry sums of money for paltry motives.
A tale of spivvy incompetence: a big stage, and a cast of insects. Second-rate ministers flanking a third-rate Prime Minister waited upon by fourth-rate courtiers sending out the begging bowl to fifth-rate sleeve-tuggers who aren't even very rich. At Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday, that “Mr Bean” gibe said it all.
New Labour, it seems, can't even cook its own books. They can't even co-ordinate a cover-up. They failed to find out fast enough what it was they had to cover up, failed to take the elementary precaution of reconciling their excuses, and failed to square their alibis. Talk of a urine-up in a brewery ? this lot couldn't organise a scam in an amusement arcade.
There's space this morning ? if you will indulge a moment's pure cynicism ? for a modest expression of professional regret that our Government has proved a flop even at cheating. Turn in your grave, Horatio Bottomley. Blush, Robert Maxwell. Standards have slipped. Top-notch fraudsters up and down the country must be wincing at the sheer incompetence. Labour has brought disgrace on self-respecting hustlers everywhere.
Were I a senior Labour politician this weekend, much of the shame I'd feel would be because people in my party had behaved like crooks; but a little, secret bit of it would be because they've proved such incompetent crooks. We're not talking the Old Bailey here; not even Crown Court. We're talking Woking Magistrates' Court on a wet winter Tuesday; a shuffling line of dysfunctional miscreants in soiled shell-suits, struggling to read the oath, let alone to understand the charges against them.
We have a party leader incapable even of colluding with his own deputy. We have a Prime Minister so pathetically anxious to elbow blame on to his colleagues that in the first five minutes of the story breaking he volunteers ? volunteers ? the opinion that what has happened is “unlawful”, thus permanently settling the argument about whether it should be a matter for the police.
We see a chief fundraiser prominent in the Labour Friends of Israel who has made an apparently personal donation to the most pro-Palestinian of all the candidates for the deputy leadership. Unveiled too is a Mr Big so not big that he struggles to find halfway credible launderers for his secret donations. Hissed from the stage, as much in pity as anger, is a Labour general secretary who claims to have forgotten ? or never understood ? the simplest rules in the new legislation it is his job to implement.
Where do they find these people? What possessed Gordon Brown to declare, before he had the least reason to know it to be true, that there was one individual alone, Labour's general secretary, who knew about the fake donors ? just as the media began unearthing all the others, and, as I write, are still unearthing? Didn't that great strategist, that colossus of a political intellect, pause for a moment to wonder whether there might be more to come out?
The root, I suspect, of Mr Brown's peremptory and careless handling of this story lies in his fathomless resentment of Tony Blair. The rest of the country may find it hard to believe that the present Prime Minister has nothing to do with the decade commanded by his predecessor, but I think Mr Brown really has convinced himself that he is not implicated. In this he is, I think, weirdly, sincere.
Somewhere in this strange mind has arisen an idea so palpably absurd when articulated that he has never articulated it, maybe even to himself: but it drives the way he feels about the past. It is the idea that he was somehow not there, or not completely there, from 1997 to 2007: just a sort of hostage, mute witness to a decade he neither willed nor bears responsibility for. To such an imagination, the stink of rotten fish left by his predecessor beneath the sofa cushions at Downing Street can be greeted almost triumphantly, vindicating rather than indicting him.
But for what noble end does Mr Brown's Government exist? Where are those great missions in whose cause big men grow impatient of the proprieties? It isn't, in the end, the lying and cheating I cannot forgive. It is the lying and cheating to no purpose beyond daily, weekly survival. When seized with some urgent national purpose, we may all be tempted to take short cuts. But Brown's people are cutting corners with nowhere to go. That is the real tragedy. |
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Brown was given a short period with much negative reinforcement to prove his game
He failed with his prevarication in the end and is being consequentially undermined
Not surprising
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| blackcat wrote: | | I am not a fan of any "New" Labour politician but Brown is far more of a real Socialist than Blair. He has no chance, in the current climate, of taking "Labour" back towards its roots but I believe he would like to undo the excesses of Blair. If he was another Blair why would he be getting the treatment? |
How is Brown the guru of the PFI more of a left hooker than Blair?
Just because Brown is far more stupid than Blair does not make him more of a Leftie. He sold our gold to the Rothschilds at half price and swapped it for dollars which are now also worth half as much.
He is like Blair a fundraiser for the Jewish NF a zionist organisation and his strings are pulled by exactly the same people who had groomed Blair.
Really you guys have got to take the boulder out of your eyes.
Gordon Brown is a thoroughly bad dude.
For once in my life i found myself agreeing with the Liberal geezer. He wants EVERY property deal that Abrahams done investigated to see what his donations paid for. Planning consents and sale and leasebacks?
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By the way i was at the Palestinian lobby at Parliament on Wednesday.
I had a row with some stupid Labour supporter who was also part of the Palestine lobby. I informed them that Labour was the party that created Israel, Labour supplied the plutonium and more than half the current Labour MPs were card carrying Zionists bought and paid for.
How can you be demonstrating in favour of Palestine and still be a Labour supporter.
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I’ll put my cards on the table and name names, says David Abrahams
More ministers may be dragged into the funding row.
Bless.
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| blackcat wrote: | | You really need to wise up Karlos. The "Labour" government is crooked because of Blairites and what they have done to it. The only reason for the attacks on Brown is because he is standing up to the money men. He hasn't a chance. By extension neither do we, especially when there are millions like you who do not get the picture. |
Every new government is worse than the last.
Blair was worse than both Thatcher and Major.
Brown is worse than Blair.
Handing over £30 billion of our money to the bankers is criminal stupidity. Even stalwart labourite economists like Will Hutton are in a rage.
The issues at stake is how far they are pushing Brown and in what direction and how far he is willing to go. I think that the media has been instructed not to show that he is also up Bush's arse. The point of difference is whether Brown is able to contain an explosion of anti-war anti-bankers feeling if a meltdown occurs or whether they need Cameron in early.
Its still not clear. What is clear is that the single party approach is reaching its physical limits. The whole Cabinet seems to be permanently under a police investigation. They will crack apart as they have started to do anyway as each rat tries to leave a sinking ship first not last. |
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| conspiracy analyst wrote: | | The whole Cabinet seems to be permanently under a police investigation. |
That'll be because they're all crooks then . . .
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | | conspiracy analyst wrote: | | The whole Cabinet seems to be permanently under a police investigation. |
That'll be because they're all crooks then . . . |
Can you reach Cabinet lever in life if you aint as bent as a 50p piece?
I think not.
Meacher is probably the only exception and Benn. |
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| Quote: | Fears of anti-Semitic backlash
Posted by Christopher Howse on 30 Nov 2007 at 17:26
Tags: Labour, Anti-Semitism, Jews, David Abrahams, donor scandal, Jewish Chronicle
It wouldn’t have occurred to me, but today’s Jewish Chronicle leads on it: “Fears were growing this week of an anti-Semitic backlash following the latest Labour party cash scandal involving two prominent Jewish activists”. |
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ukcorrespondents/christopherhowse/nov07/a nti-semitic.htm
Add in Robert Maxwell, Bernie Ecclestone, Lord Levy and his cash for honours campaign we might get somewhere with the sheeple.
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