WHY DID PETER POWERS INITIALLY SPILL THE BEANS ON THIS?
He said thjat at half past nine they were running a drill involving simultaneous explosions at the sattions that were hit. Precisely was his measured word.
Nick, I would be interested if you could speculate on the reason(s) Peter Power felt it necessary to appear (frequently) on the media. This given that the (desk based) exercise was not out of the ordinary in any way.
Spilling the beans is also known as covering ones backside.
Power realised something was wrong, he realised that it was a billion to one chance of his scenario and the real deal occuring on the same day at the same stations in the same way at the same time.
He knows his clients are the ringleaders.
But we should look at him as another patsy, a hired hand used as an alibi.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject:
'We then became involved in a real crisis which we had to manage for the company.' - as regards which was the company that Visor Consultants were working for, I like the conjecture by Forensic Cybersearcher:
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Visor holds a drill for a private company that is related to a property occupied by jewish businessmen as Peter Power says in one of the interviews he gives on 7/7.
The Israel Opportunity Conference 2005 who aims at attracting international investors to the Tel-Aviv Stock Exchange is held at the Great Eastern Hotel which is adjacent and directly communicate, I believe, to Liverpool street station, one of the four bombing sites. Benhyamin Netanyahu, Israel's finance minister is meant to attend the Conference early in the morning on 7/7.
I strongly believe the Visor drill is held for the Israel opportunity Conference and has for goal to test the response capabilities of the Conference's security staff with regards to the protection of their flock of international financiers and high profile politicians.
I also believe that former NY mayor Rudolf Giuliani who is also present at the Great Eastern Hotel is hired as head of Giuliani Security and Safety (an US equivalent of Visor) by the same people and/or present as a potential investor in his capacity of head of Giuliani Capital Advisors.
With regards to Liverpool Street Station and Circle Line, it is exploited by Metronet which hires since Septembert 2004 Verint Systems Inc, a US company owned and run by Israelis (and which employs 300 software engineers at its research and developement center in Israel) for its CCTV system.
Two of the bombs explode on Circle Line which is Metronet with Verint Systems CCTVs.
One bomb explode on Picadilly Line which is Tubelines, jointly owned by Bechtel and Amey, with Marconi CCTVs.
Is the annual TASE sponsored Israel Opportunity 2005 Conference for International Investors in London, really a likely candidate for Power's alleged exercise?
Peter Power wrote:
POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.
From Power's response:
Peter Power wrote:
It is confirmed that a short number of 'walk through' scenarios planed [sic] well in advance had commenced that morning for a private company in London (as part of a wider project that remains confidential)
Of course, the thing is that we don't actually know which stations Power meant, as nobody has located as much as a précis of the scenario.
I thought we did know that. He did say...
''At 9am this morning we were actually running an exercise based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations that happened this morning''
That was his first statement on the afternoon of 7/7, later clarified that evening to, "we based our scenario on the simultaneous attacks on an underground and mainline station." There is a lot of ambiguity in Power's statements, and despite what some people think, he does not make it clear exactly how many bombs his scenario involved; even the "clarification" can be taken to mean a single bomb at a combined Underground/mainline station, or one at an Underground station and one at a mainline station. If the latter, Power's initial statement, while (as elsewhere) poor use of English, is not inherently contradictory. Although we are dealing with three Underground explosions, six stations were affected, two of which are also mainline stations - King's Cross and Liverpool St, both "obvious" targets. In fact, Liverpool street featured in both the Panorama - London Under Attack documentary, as well as the Dirty War drama, both pre-dating 7/7. We have to remember that from our perspective, the Visor exercise is "secondary" to the real events - the exercise is something that happened during the real explosions - while from Power's the reverse is true - the real explosions "interupted" the exercise. From Power's perspective, his exercise with (probably) two bombs was mirrored by real events involving the same two stations, but also other locations. It's a bit like two people, one of whom has gone to all of a certain team's matches in a season, while another has gone to only half of them. The second person could say of the first, "You've been to all the matches I've been to," while the first can just as accurately say, "You haven't been to all the matches I've been to." These statements sound contradictory, but they are actually not.
From the later interview...
Quote:
INTERVIEWER: Just to get this right, you were actually working today on an exercise that envisioned virtually this scenario?
POWER: Er, almost precisely
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:40 am Post subject:
Surely, Giuliani was visiting the UK as head of Giuliani Security and Safety (a US equivalent of Visor) to protect the TASE conference: the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange was holding its annual conference, opening on the morning of July 7th, at Liverpool Street and that's where Guiliani was having breakfast when the bombs went off.
Politically, Giuliani is strongly pro-Israel*. Netenyahu was to have been the keynote speaker at the TASE conference, so it would have been a pleasant reunion for these two, to meet up there. That is why those two Giuliani and Netanyahu found themselves in the same hotel that morning, at Liverpool street. That is why Guiliani gave his pro-war on terror speech up North the day before (to UK councillors in Harrogate), he was in a mood to do that because he was over here in his capacity of head of Guiliani Security. He could also have been there by way of wishing to attract investors in his capacity of head of Giuliani Capital Advisors.
TASE had something to celebrate: foreign investments in TASE stocks had soared from $480 million in 2004 to $1.4 billion in the first five months of 2005.
Of course, the thing is that we don't actually know which stations Power meant, as nobody has located as much as a précis of the scenario.
I thought we did know that. He did say...
''At 9am this morning we were actually running an exercise based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations that happened this morning''
That was his first statement on the afternoon of 7/7, later clarified that evening to, "we based our scenario on the simultaneous attacks on an underground and mainline station." There is a lot of ambiguity in Power's statements, and despite what some people think, he does not make it clear exactly how many bombs his scenario involved; even the "clarification" can be taken to mean a single bomb at a combined Underground/mainline station, or one at an Underground station and one at a mainline station. If the latter, Power's initial statement, while (as elsewhere) poor use of English, is not inherently contradictory. Although we are dealing with three Underground explosions, six stations were affected, two of which are also mainline stations - King's Cross and Liverpool St, both "obvious" targets. In fact, Liverpool street featured in both the Panorama - London Under Attack documentary, as well as the Dirty War drama, both pre-dating 7/7. We have to remember that from our perspective, the Visor exercise is "secondary" to the real events - the exercise is something that happened during the real explosions - while from Power's the reverse is true - the real explosions "interupted" the exercise. From Power's perspective, his exercise with (probably) two bombs was mirrored by real events involving the same two stations, but also other locations. It's a bit like two people, one of whom has gone to all of a certain team's matches in a season, while another has gone to only half of them. The second person could say of the first, "You've been to all the matches I've been to," while the first can just as accurately say, "You haven't been to all the matches I've been to." These statements sound contradictory, but they are actually not.
Power was clear and unambiguous in his original interview on 7/7. He took the Tribe by surprise. Soon as they realised what he was saying the heavies moved in. Had they snuffed him the message in his statements would have been amplified to a wide audience. 7/7 hoax meltdown. Safer option threaten the family unless he engages in damage limitation.
Flowers rhymes with Powers ... _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
Of course, the thing is that we don't actually know which stations Power meant, as nobody has located as much as a précis of the scenario.
I thought we did know that. He did say...
''At 9am this morning we were actually running an exercise based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations that happened this morning''
That was his first statement on the afternoon of 7/7, later clarified that evening to, "we based our scenario on the simultaneous attacks on an underground and mainline station." There is a lot of ambiguity in Power's statements, and despite what some people think, he does not make it clear exactly how many bombs his scenario involved; even the "clarification" can be taken to mean a single bomb at a combined Underground/mainline station, or one at an Underground station and one at a mainline station. If the latter, Power's initial statement, while (as elsewhere) poor use of English, is not inherently contradictory. Although we are dealing with three Underground explosions, six stations were affected, two of which are also mainline stations - King's Cross and Liverpool St, both "obvious" targets. In fact, Liverpool street featured in both the Panorama - London Under Attack documentary, as well as the Dirty War drama, both pre-dating 7/7. We have to remember that from our perspective, the Visor exercise is "secondary" to the real events - the exercise is something that happened during the real explosions - while from Power's the reverse is true - the real explosions "interupted" the exercise. From Power's perspective, his exercise with (probably) two bombs was mirrored by real events involving the same two stations, but also other locations. It's a bit like two people, one of whom has gone to all of a certain team's matches in a season, while another has gone to only half of them. The second person could say of the first, "You've been to all the matches I've been to," while the first can just as accurately say, "You haven't been to all the matches I've been to." These statements sound contradictory, but they are actually not.
Power was clear and unambiguous in his original interview on 7/7.
Nonsense, as I explained above, what Power said could have meant a number of things, therefore it was profoundly ambiguous.
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He took the Tribe by surprise.
Meaning?
Quote:
Soon as they realised what he was saying the heavies moved in.
Prove it.
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Had they snuffed him the message in his statements would have been amplified to a wide audience. 7/7 hoax meltdown.
Prove it.
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Safer option threaten the family unless he engages in damage limitation.
Prove it.
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WHY DID PETER POWERS INITIALLY SPILL THE BEANS ON THIS?
He said thjat at half past nine they were running a drill involving simultaneous explosions at the sattions that were hit. Precisely was his measured word.
Nick, I would be interested if you could speculate on the reason(s) Peter Power felt it necessary to appear (frequently) on the media. This given that the (desk based) exercise was not out of the ordinary in any way.
Powers is a frequent media pundit on security matters and was even before 7/7. It's not like he popped out of "nowhere," and even had be been enjoying a day off fishing on 7/7, he would undoubtedly have dragged away to comment on the day's events.
Nonsense, as I explained above, what Power said could have meant a number of things, therefore it was profoundly ambiguous.
From the later interview...
Quote:
INTERVIEWER: Just to get this right, you were actually working today on an exercise that envisioned virtually this scenario?
POWER: Er, almost precisely
I dont really know what to say to you mate.
You get from this...
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''At 9am this morning we were actually running an exercise based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations that happened this morning''
to...
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profoundly ambiguous
via this...
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That was his first statement on the afternoon of 7/7, later clarified that evening to, "we based our scenario on the simultaneous attacks on an underground and mainline station." There is a lot of ambiguity in Power's statements, and despite what some people think, he does not make it clear exactly how many bombs his scenario involved; even the "clarification" can be taken to mean a single bomb at a combined Underground/mainline station, or one at an Underground station and one at a mainline station. If the latter, Power's initial statement, while (as elsewhere) poor use of English, is not inherently contradictory. Although we are dealing with three Underground explosions, six stations were affected, two of which are also mainline stations - King's Cross and Liverpool St, both "obvious" targets. In fact, Liverpool street featured in both the Panorama - London Under Attack documentary, as well as the Dirty War drama, both pre-dating 7/7. We have to remember that from our perspective, the Visor exercise is "secondary" to the real events - the exercise is something that happened during the real explosions - while from Power's the reverse is true - the real explosions "interupted" the exercise. From Power's perspective, his exercise with (probably) two bombs was mirrored by real events involving the same two stations, but also other locations. It's a bit like two people, one of whom has gone to all of a certain team's matches in a season, while another has gone to only half of them. The second person could say of the first, "You've been to all the matches I've been to," while the first can just as accurately say, "You haven't been to all the matches I've been to." These statements sound contradictory, but they are actually not.
I dont want to be personal or smarmy but I'm a pretty logical bloke (I suppose you will just have to take my word for it) and that just isnt working for me.
I understand that some of this stuff can get complicated but what was said is never going to be 'profoundly ambiguous'.
Cheers.
I dont want to be personal or smarmy but I'm a pretty logical bloke (I suppose you will just have to take my word for it) and that just isnt working for me.
I understand that some of this stuff can get complicated but what was said is never going to be 'profoundly ambiguous'.
The bottom line is that nobody has been able to come up with any concrete details of Visor's exercise (which, in itself, suggests very few people were directly involved in it). Despite a huge amount of wishful thinking, nobody knows exactly which "mainline" and which "Underground" station were involved, out of the six Underground stations either side of the actual explosions. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the two stations in the Visor exercise were King's Cross mainline and Aldgate. Everything Power said - including his initial statment - would still be be "true."
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject:
Watch this space for a WAC special later today _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject:
Link _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:14 am Post subject:
Questions for Peter Power
Its very odd that his testimony should have changed so much in such a short time. On BBC Radio 5 Live's Drivetime programme at about 7.30 pm he said his exercise was 'precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning' then 50 minutes later at 20:20 on the ITV News, it was: 'we based our scenario on the simultaneous attacks on an underground and mainline station.'
I'd say the first is more reliable, as it was totally his own initative. He did it to protect and indeed rescue himself, after he had had the dire shock of seeing what he believed to be a drill suddenly going live. Had he not done that he would have been subject to hard-to-answer questions later on. But, once he had done it he was alarmed by what he had said, so when the news agencies started phoning him to repeat his story he tried to play it down - hence the change (NB, the mainline station could have been Liverpool Street or King's Cross, so the two statements may be fairly compatible). Then, later on he tried to make out that the whole thing had been merely a desk exercise.
If anyone could get to question Peter Power, then I'd like to suggest that there would be no point in taunting him with the Impossible Question about you-know-what. Ask him firstly, what was Visor's involvement in designing the plot of the May 2004 Panorama program London Under Attack - that was the basic template for what happened, first envisaged (1). Then second ask him what was Visor's involvement in the Atlantic Blue terror-drill of April 2005 - huge but very hush-hush, it seems to have basically acted out the Panorama script - adding in an internatinonal summit conference runinng simultaneously (2). Thirdly, ask him what was Visor's involvement in the Singapore Operation Northstar V of 2006, which simply acted out what happened on July 7th - ie, more or less just the Panorama program (3).
In these terror drills coordinated by Visor, everyone has fun acting out role-playing games - the fire service, London Ambulance, the Met, MI5, London Underground, and they all get to interact. But, I'm not very clear about whether what Visor does is secret, or not. Eg, in 2003 it conducted an exercise in the tube 'Osiris II' testing people and equipment deep underground - can we the public get to hear about this, or not?
edit: Please don't move or edit my posts without explanation. _________________ 'The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought'. JFK
Sometimes it's sheer human instinct and experience that shows us what occurred.
In Peter Power's case I see a man who is genuinely ignorant of what he was involved in, making a mistake in talking about it and then realizing that he's in serious trouble if he carries on talking about it. His body language and tone of what he said later confirms imho opinion that he woke up that day to a far darker world than he knew about.
He'll be killed one day, they always are, just not yet. If he's got any sense he'll go public with everything he knows, write a book and remove their primary incentive to execute him.
I dont want to be personal or smarmy but I'm a pretty logical bloke (I suppose you will just have to take my word for it) and that just isnt working for me.
I understand that some of this stuff can get complicated but what was said is never going to be 'profoundly ambiguous'.
The bottom line is that nobody has been able to come up with any concrete details of Visor's exercise (which, in itself, suggests very few people were directly involved in it). Despite a huge amount of wishful thinking, nobody knows exactly which "mainline" and which "Underground" station were involved, out of the six Underground stations either side of the actual explosions. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the two stations in the Visor exercise were King's Cross mainline and Aldgate. Everything Power said - including his initial statment - would still be be "true."
I eat guys like you for breakfast over at GIM. I have quite a 'following'.
It is a remarkable and noteworthy 'coincidence' that requires full disclosure (who was his client, what was the nature of the exercise, etc) but we don't need to rely on dodgy statistics to make this point.
To get an accurate figure you would need to know how many of these type of exercises or training sessions are held in London each year and you would need to take account that stations in the centre near to mainline termini are far more likely to be selected than say Cockfosters
It is a remarkable and noteworthy 'coincidence' that requires full disclosure (who was his client, what was the nature of the exercise, etc) but we don't need to rely on dodgy statistics to make this point.
To get an accurate figure you would need to know how many of these type of exercises or training sessions are held in London each year and you would need to take account that stations in the centre near to mainline termini are far more likely to be selected than say Cockfosters
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject:
Sure, Osiris II was on Sunday 7th September 2003. (to answer Mark Gobell's question) - at Bank station, with rumours of Visor involvement.
Compare the other two events, Lambeth station on Sunday 17 Sept 2004 and Tower Hill Sunday, 12th June 2005.
Note, (a) these are the only three we are told about - nothing since 2005; (b) the 2005 event was inexplibly shunted forward to be before 7/7, whereas the previous two had been in September; (c) no-one explains the peculiar 'occult' name 'Osiris II.'
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