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Mark Gobell
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:26 am Post subject:

That was it !

Mark Gobell wrote:

Est que ce le dénouement de la prélude ne c'est pas?

John, are you stepping forward ?

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TmcMistress
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:40 am Post subject:

paul wright wrote:

All the accusations of shill and limited hangout and all the rest on just the basis of video footage and photos does get a bit tiresome
It's far from the true basis on which to judge

In all honesty, this has me curious to see a thread now, because I have yet to see NPT at the WTC evidence that doesn't consist of shoddy videos or photos.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:16 am Post subject:

I oppose very much accusations of shill and limited hangout against people that question NPT. But much of the evidence for planes consists of shoddy videos and photos of planes and plane debris.

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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:53 am Post subject:

Ningen wrote:

I oppose very much accusations of shill and limited hangout against people that question NPT. But much of the evidence for planes consists of shoddy videos and photos of planes and plane debris.

That was almost clever. And by 'almost', I actually mean 'not at all'. NPT'ers have yet to demonstrate any valid flaws with the footage of planes as presented. Mind the key word there... "valid". Nor do they have any explanation as to how the holes got in the buildings with anything besides planes in a non-insane way. Try again.
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:42 am Post subject:

Mark Gobell wrote:

Est que ce le dénouement de la prélude ne c'est pas?

John, are you stepping forward ?

I could do it

Depends on how people would view that against my mod role
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:45 am Post subject:

TmcMistress wrote:

Ningen wrote:

I oppose very much accusations of shill and limited hangout against people that question NPT. But much of the evidence for planes consists of shoddy videos and photos of planes and plane debris.

Hi TmcM,
I trust you are already familiar with this information that has been
circulated on other forums, and especially page 123!

What is your thoughts about this information?

http://www.darpa.mil/body/pdf/BudgetEstJune2001.pdf

Cheers
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Mark Gobell
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject:

John White wrote:

Mark Gobell wrote:

Est que ce le dénouement de la prélude ne c'est pas?

John, are you stepping forward ?

I could do it

Depends on how people would view that against my mod role

Excellent!

If a little late . . .
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Stefan
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject:

Coincidence that Alexander Baker decided to leave after agreeing to an evidence led debate stuff on this. So who's debating the other side? Any other NPTer going to agree to it and then promptly demand their account is deleted? _________________ Peace and Truth

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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject:

Stefan wrote:

Coincidence that Alexander Baker decided to leave after agreeing to an evidence led debate stuff on this.

So who's debating the other side? Any other NPTer going to agree to it and then promptly demand their account is deleted?

or a coincedence that the like of John White agree to debate the minute they learn alexander baker leaves the forum.

The way you guys have been avoiding debate with baker here is embarrassing but transparent to all.
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject:

sidlittle wrote:

Stefan wrote:

LOL!

Obviously no point asking you to debate NPT Sid, the result would be a shoe-in
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gruts
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject:

sid couldn't even debate points of the compass.... but fwiw I really don't think that a showdown between 2 people is the answer. it would be much better for everyone who's interested to be able to contribute to debating each item of evidence - with the strict proviso that they address the evidence.

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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject:

TmcMistress wrote:

I mean, really, c'mon... enough is enough. If killtown comes on here in a few weeks claiming that the towers were really destroyed by a giant holographic banana gun, are we going to be like "Well, every theory deserves its fair shake..."

hey - that's my theory! how anyone can even doubt that a massive invisible holographic banana is what brought down the towers is beyond me....

[NPT LOGIC]
the fact that nobody has disputed this theory since I first posted it on this forum many weeks ago confirms that it simply must be true. and if anybody does dispute that a massive invisible holographic banana brought down the towers I'll regard it as confirmation that my theory is being taken seriously, thus further emphasising how true it must be....
[/NPT LOGIC]

Stefan
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject:

Sid, Read the thread my friend time and time again I have invited not just Ace but ANY NPT proponent to start a debate on any or on all NPT "evidance" - simply by starting a thread with the word "DEBATE: " and then the title - that was LAST WEEK - so where are those threads? Jesus! _________________ Peace and Truth

Mark Gobell
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject:

Stefan wrote:

Sid,
Read the thread my friend time and time again I have invited not just Ace but ANY NPT proponent to start a debate on any or on all NPT "evidance" - simply by starting a thread with the word "DEBATE: " and then the title - that was LAST WEEK - so where are those threads?

Jesus!

The single outstanding issue, after Alex Baker's offer to debate, was one of accountability.

I was trying to establish a negotiating position.

Nobody agreed to debate using their real names.

Alex then resigns.

John White, having been asked by me several times if he was stepping forward, then offers to do just that.

Probably just another coincidence.
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject:

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John White, having been asked by me several times if he was stepping forward, then offers to do just that.

Probably just another coincidence.

I wasn't aware of being asked

Certainly nothing in my pm box about it

Sorry lads, amazingly enough I dont read everything that gets posted here...

I would do it though, what the hey
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Mark Gobell
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject:

Silly me, I didn't think to PM you, since you had posted on the board since my first request. And in controversies too. I assumed you might get an email. It was remiss of me to think you might have seen it. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:05 am Post subject:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205456#post205456

John White wrote:

Killtown wrote:

ukor wrote:

In my own case - rightly or wrongly - I now see the "evidence" for no plane theory as a belief based more on a lack of knowledge than actual knowledge, which is about the shakiest foundation possible.

I see no-plane opponents base much of their opposition to this theory on ad-homonym attacks which is "about the shakiest foundation possible."

killtown wrote:

Ad-homonym attacks don't take trained eyes to spot and are rarely justified. Ad-homonym attacks are a favorite trait of trolls.

I can oppose your theory quite succesfully without the single need for a hint of ad hominem Killtown: I would use reason and fact, they are adequate tools for the job

I have been asked if I would do a formal debate on NPT on the uk9/11board

I understand Ace Baker has become unavailable for the challenge (that the pro-NPT lobby instigated)

I therefore request you debate me in a formal one on one debate on that board

John White wrote:

killtown wrote:

Hey John, why aren't you personally attacking me and spreading lies about me like you always did at that UK troll forum?

The challenge to debate is open

As for other matters:

I'm sure you don't need your own angelic behaviour across the internet dragged on to this thread?

Let us leave that at that

For the record though: I never retract what I post, anywhere

(as long as it was actually me who wrote it!)

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TmcMistress
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:47 am Post subject:

gruts wrote:

TmcMistress wrote:

hey - that's my theory! how anyone can even doubt that a massive invisible holographic banana is what brought down the towers is beyond me....

I know, I know... Smile

but it was so filled with awesomeness that I had to use it again...
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Stefan
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:18 am Post subject:

The "you've got to use your real names" thing was bollox anyway Mark - We were only proposing an internet discussion - what relevance is it if person uses a psudonom- do you think maybe he went back to killtowns forum and asked to be removed from there as well? I doubt it... _________________ Peace and Truth

Tamborine man
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:32 am Post subject:

Stefan wrote:

The "you've got to use your real names" thing was bollox anyway Mark -

We were only proposing an internet discussion - what relevance is it if person uses a psudonom- do you think maybe he went back to killtowns forum and asked to be removed from there as well? I doubt it...

Hi Stefan,

one has to wonder why you answer questions addressed to John White.
Are you trying to protect him?

To be perfectly honest with you: the reason why a debate was proposed,
where both parties should reveal their real names, was because yourself,
Chek, Gruts, TmcM, John White and a few others are suspected of
coming from the Dark side.

There are far too many indications that support this thinking; for it to be
dismissed as mere, as you would say, paranoid speculations!

Or, as the old saying goes: 'The proof is in the pudding'.

Sorry, but that's how you all come across! Its not a pretty picture.

Cheers
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Tamborine man
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:36 am Post subject:

Stefan wrote:

Hi Stefan,

one has to wonder why you answer questions addressed to John White.
Are you trying to protect him?

To be perfectly honest with you: the reason why a debate was proposed,
where both parties should reveal their real names, was because yourself,
Chek, Gruts, TmcM, John White and a few others are suspected of
coming from the Dark side.

There are far too many indications that support this thinking; for it to be
dismissed as mere, as you would say, paranoid speculations!

Or, as the old saying goes: 'The proof is in the pudding'!

Sorry, but that's how you all come across! Its not a pretty picture!

Cheers
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TmcMistress
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:58 am Post subject:

Tamborine man wrote:

Now, Tamborine man, witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station!
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chek
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject:

Tamborine man wrote:

To be perfectly honest with you: the reason why a debate was proposed,
where both parties should reveal their real names, was because yourself,
Chek, Gruts, TmcM, John White and a few others are suspected of
coming from the Dark side.

There are far too many indications that support this thinking; for it to be
dismissed as mere, as you would say, paranoid speculations!Cheers

Hey Mr Tamborine man, I don't worry about names which may or may not be fictional in any case.

My criteria is whether what they type here is on the "talking sense" or "talking *" side.

Whether either comes from "the dark side" or "the light side" I'll leave to those with black and white views and their unacknowledged prejudices to work out.
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject:

Quote:

IMO there are lots of people on here who are either working for the forces of darkness or have been brain washed by the dark side. Crying or Very sad

Tamborine man
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject:

chek wrote:

My criteria is whether what they type here is on the "talking sense" or "talking *" side.

What a great shame then that you don't apply this same criteria to yourself,
and what YOU type Chek.

Cheers
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject:

Tamborine man wrote:

chek wrote:

My criteria is whether what they type here is on the "talking sense" or "talking *" side.

What a great shame then that you don't apply this same criteria to yourself,
and what YOU type Chek.
Cheers

Coming from someone whose idea of a worthwhile post is:

Tamborine man wrote:

"Winds come both horizontally and vertically.
Winds are funny that way.
Wherever the wind blows, that's where most people goes.
I humbly suggest that we all should only go where the wind blows around
7 knobs.
That seems to be the ideal wind!!.... for future conveniencies!!
Cheers

...and who further couldn't even be arsed to research readily available data such as the outer perimeter column dimensions in an earlier post, let's just say I'm not unduly worried about whatever your opinion of me is Mr Tamborine Man.
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject:

Tambourine man wrote:

one has to wonder why you answer questions addressed to John White.
Are you trying to protect him?

Protect me from what?

The ignorance, fear and suspicion of others who can't handle the truth from my POV?

Quote:

and a few others are suspected of
coming from the Dark side.

LOL!

Truthseeker Noob

The dark side is inside yer own head mate, and thats the ONLY place its ever been
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Tamborine man
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject:

Tamborine man wrote:

Not surprised that this seems to have gone totally over your head!

Quote:

. let's just say I'm not unduly worried about whatever your opinion of me is Mr Tamborine Man.

Never thought for one moment that you would be!

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Tamborine man
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject:

Quote:

The dark side is inside yer own head mate, and thats the ONLY place its ever been

Hey, hold on there a minute!

I'M the goodie, you're the baddie. Everybody knows that!

Even other baddies!

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject:

gruts wrote:

sid couldn't even debate points of the compass....

Do you want me to bring up the thread again? You got so confused because of your anti-npt position that you were defending JW against me, yet you agreed with my main point and didn't even know it. Namely , that the gamma press 'nose-out' wasn't an engine part. It doesn't align at all with JW's 'exit hole' which is located on the NE corner but more so on the EASTERN facade with the 'nose-out' clearly coming from the NORTHERN face. You think the 'nose out' is fuel/debris/dust and the engine part exited via john white's 'exit hole' (two separate issues). John White was arguing the 'nose out' is an engine part and exited via the same exit hole. So you disagreed with each other but bizarrely chose to pretend I had my compass points wrong Confused

If you really think I am wrong to say that John White's 'exit hole' is located on the North East corner (but more so the eastern face) and the 'nose-out' emerges from the northern face, say so and then we can go through it again. Otherwise, we can leave it at that.

*sorry mark for off-topic.

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