How do we popularize the 9/11 truth movement?

[scubadiver]

I want to generate some ideas so these may not be great to start with so feel free to add.

I think there is an over-whelming amount of evidence, so I am thinking of creating a website that sends a focused message that will pursuade people to search for themselves.


1) Do the majority of people seriously think there is such a thing as a muslim terrorist threat?

I think people do, but why? Is it because of what the media are telling us?

2) Why do people want to believe that US Government Agencies could NOT have been involved in 9/11?

Who could ever kill 3000 people for their own neo-con aims. Surely nobody could be THAT evil?

3) If there is one single piece of evidence that could pursuade someone that it was not Al-Qaeda, what would it be?

For me, it has to be the free-fall collapse of the towers.

4) How do we teach people about the bigger picture: PNAC?


I don't think we can force people to look at the evidence, we just have to kick them in the right direction!

This way please

[Leiff]

The reason why people have not looked at the evidence is because the information is being suppressed by the mainstream media.

Perhaps if the BBC are going to look at the evidence impartially, the public without an internet connection will get a chance to decide for themselves.

[Newspeak International]

I suggest joining other forums, some (unlike this one:)) have large community available to discuss any 9/11 issue.

That is official, but don't get into a slagging match nor swear as that will result in a black mark, followed by a ban.

My first internet forum now with a membership of over 50,000:

http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/

Best stick to the general forum as off topic discussions are frowned upon.


N

Please look in, some people on there are open to discussion, but there are as usual the deniers and the downright rude.

[scar]

Here are some fairly large sites one could join:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/
http://board.rapmusic.com/
http://www.gurn.net/forums/
http://forums.livingwithstyle.com/
http://bbs.clubplanet.com/

Here is a list of HUGE BOARDS that use vbulletin:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47430


Rock on!

[Newspeak International]

Bloody hell scar that's a huge list mate!

It's the only way to get the message out there as fast as possible IMO.

[scar]

I agree mate. Its a very good way to spread awareness.
Im sure most people will have come across the issue online by now though, but perhaps they only saw http://www.thealiensdidit.com or something.

We have tom m. to thank for that list.
Hes a member here and has been spreading awareness of this upcoming film:
http://www.freedomtofascism.com
Its a very worthy cause and a bridge to what we are doing.
Will make waves im sure.

scar

ps: Make sure you dont join up and spam immediately cos on SOME boards they will ban you. check the rules as you join.

[John White]

Sooner or later, the movement is going to have to network into local communities....literally "earthing" the perceptions available globally via the net community into the hearts and minds of the people we live amongst every day

When we do that, then the system will have to change

I'm working on answers, and making some progress, and Im about to start trialing a project that could be an effective template for more...however, Im going to report on results (positive or negative), not speculations, but it will be relatively soon

But I would appeal to all of us to seek flexibility and creativity in the approaches we take

After all, those qualitites arnt suppressed for nothing

[uselesseater]

[scar]

Ive joined the first few i listed but im goin mental doin these t-shirts atm.
This w/e im up for a board - raid tho.

[SHERITON HOTEL]

I'm contemplating doing a 9/11 INSIDE JOB 'crop circle, I've found a great spot,a field of wheat overlooking a busy A-road,

Do you think this might give 9/11 truth denyers ammunition linking the movement to crop circles though?

[alwun]

Half of the bbc's funding comes directly from the licence fee payers. I find myself becoming increasingly agitated at my partial funding of a major corporation whose governors and many of its employees appear to be deliberately ignoring the biggest 'story' which has occurred in its entire history. A cursory reading of the charter shows the following inter alia:-


5. PROGRAMME STANDARDS

5.1 The Corporation shall do all it can to secure that all programmes broadcast or transmitted by or on behalf of or under licence from the Corporation as part of the Home Services:-

(a) provide a properly balanced service consisting of a wide range of subject matter;
(b) serve the tastes and needs of different audiences and, in particular, in order to show concern for the young, are placed at appropriate times;
(c ) treat controversial subjects with due accuracy and impartiality, both in the Corporation's news services and in the more general field of programmes dealing with matters of public policy or of political or industrial controversy, and do not contain any material expressing the opinion of the Corporation on current affairs or matters of public policy other than broadcasting and matter contained in programmes which consist of proceedings in either House of Parliament or proceedings of a local authority or a committee of two or more local authorities;
(d) do not include anything which offends against good taste or decency or is likely to encourage or incite to crime or lead to disorder or to be offensive to public feeling;
(e) do not involve improper exploitation of any susceptibilities of those watching or listening to its religious programmes or any abusive treatment of the religious views and beliefs of those belonging to a particular religion or religious denomination;
(f) do not include any technical device which, by using images of very brief duration or by any other means, exploits the possibility of conveying a message to, or otherwise influencing the minds of, persons watching or listening to the programmes without their being aware, or fully aware, of what has occurred.


In view of standard ( c ), can it not be reasoned that the bbc is falling far short of its stated and required standards with regards to the 9/11 affair, given that on many occasions by now the bbc has been alerted to the important developments in the 'story' by numerous persons.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that the beeb is therefore ripe for the suing of by us - the fee providers?, citing 'unfit for purpose' or somesuch?

Why wait for publicity from that tired, sad, quasi defeated public service.


Enough would be generated by its commercial rivals in such an event as a public revolt.

It is, of course, eminently possible that the beeb, the paper press and the commercial stations have been gagged. Provision has, I notice, been built into the charter for allowing gagging orders to be served which need not be explained or even announced to the public.

just a thought

Allan

[Wokeman]

Scubadiver,
The thing we're up against is that all this info and all this evidence is on websites and in the alternative media. It does not, or hardly ever, appear in the mainstream media. Stories that appear there are perceived as credible and acceptable to the vast number of readers and viewers, however tenuously. Apart from the occasional dissident, I have never, but never heard anyone who is confronted by an alternative to the official version of what happened on 9/11 utter anything other than "That's a conspiracy theory", or "Oh, you believe in conspiracy theories!". Given the fact that the official version is a 'conspiracy theory' doesn't appear to be taken into consideration. People cling to what they believe is certainty, per se fact. They have no problem with the concept that 19 Saudi Arabians, who could not fly a light aircraft let alone a large Boeing, were able to fly aircraft into the World Trade Center. They cannot accept that the fantasy of the flight schools were merely used as what's called a "legend" or a temporary identity to convince outsiders that they were doing what we were told they were doing. According to Richard Grove's transcript, the 19 were probably accomplished pilots involved in the drugs trade flying their cargo from South America to the US.

[TRUTH]

[scubadiver]

[kookomula]

I was looking at the passenger lists/SSDI records re. what we were talking about last night in London and thinking how useful it would be if we could find people to run seminars/lectures on key issues, collating all the information they were working from and provide copies for the audience. As well as helping us and the general public to understand we could also invite journalists and other key people.

Is there is anyone capable of doing this in the UK? Would we have to look abroad which could be costly, if it was possible, is it too late in the day to tie in with the 5th anniversary this year?

If this is not possible to do in person could this be done on-line. On-line seminars/presentations on key issues. Researchers would have to provide on-line copies of each of the documents they were working from.

[wake_up_bomb]

Just to give my opinion on Scubadiver's original questions:

1. Yes, I think not just in the coverage of actual 'terrorist' attrocities, but also in the constant emphasis that there is such a thing as a muslim 'community' and that their concerns are inherently separate from non-muslims. I have seen many insidious news reports that have panned down a street of stern looking asians (apparently muslims), without a white person in sight, as if to imply 'any one of these people could blow you up!'

2. I think it's simply a defence mechanism. No-one gets any pleasure out of confronting the notion that people who are in control of their lives are capable of great evil. I don't want to believe it, I don't get any pleasure out of confronting it, but I have to look at things with an open mind. And once one looks at the evidence, it's the only possible conclusion.

I think there is also a phenomenal propaganda system that brainwashes us from an early age into believing in the western system, convincing us that western governments may be incompetent, a bit shady perhaps, but are ultimately benign and, of course, 'democratic'. This word is often used to emphasise the difference between a 'good' country and a 'bad' country; ie. Iraq is becoming a 'good' country because it has 'democratic' elections. 'Democratic' elections are then conveniently ignored when a 'bad' country does something that the 'good' countries don't want them to; eg. removal of Mossadegh from power in Iran circa 1953.

3. Definitely the controlled demolition of the towers, perhaps also the stand-down of NORAD, particularly the executive order that changed the standard operating procedures shortly before 9/11.

4. Herein for me lies the big problem. It is very difficult to point people in the right direction, when they have no foundation of knowledge or interest on which to base an understanding of the wider geopolitical picture. I sit at work with a group of people, many of whom I like, and I think it is fair to say that the Iran situation has not been discussed at great length, even in a conventional way. I have learnt a lot about Big Brother, though sadly not the incremental police state that's being introduced.

Even if the penny managed to partially drop with some of them, it's so difficult to steer people away from their workaday concerns. They don't know anything else, other than thinking about money, consumerism and leisure pursuits.

This for me, is the key to the entire 9/11 Truth Movement - working out how to get through to 'mainstream' people (for want of a better word), and make them realise that this is more important than Eastenders, or even fitting Gerrard and Lampard into a balanced midfield!

[ian neal]

The answer IMO is a simple 2 fold strategy

1) Build awareness at the grassroots, in our towns and cities, in our street, amongst our friends, outside tube stations, on the high street, at demonstrations.

Leaflets, DVD distribution, film screenings, campaign stalls, 9/11 truth t-shirts, word of mouth. Many of us are already doing this and it does work. People are interested and they will listen. Not everyone immediately but many people will listen.

At a grassroots level we all need to be as active as possible and there are many people here with the resources to help others make this happen. This information/truth war won't be won over the internet but by making it visible in peoples lives. On the internet we can still be ignored.

2) Taking a professional message to people in positions of power and influence: the media, the politicians and opinion formers (celebs and public figures)

And on both these fronts we are making progress. Keep the faith, their empire is but a house of cards

[scubadiver]

[scar]

[sonic]

If you listen to the speech by Dr. Robert Bowman Ph.D 911 Truth, there are some really good ideas.

http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/bestof.php

Although Dr. Bowman is speaking for the people of America, much of what he is saying applies here in the UK too.

We need people of similar status and vision to take the 911 truth movement out of our 'closed circuit' and into the mainstream media and our parliament.

There must surely be AT LEAST ONE such person in the UK?

Peace,

Sonic

[Ally]

[Andrew Johnson]

1) Pick a celebrity
2) Find their manager/publisher/agent/fan club on the web etc
3) Send them a disk and letter

I have written to:

Annie Lennox
Bob Geldof
Rory Bremner

No replies, of course, but the intent is important.

[xmasdale]

Jay Ginn has sent us this account:

I gave dvds at the Kendall-Smith benefit to:
Tony Benn
Janet Suzman
Mark Steel (who I've known for years through lefty campaigns in Croydon)
Ken Loach
David Edgar
Michael Randle (who I know fairly well from Committee of 100 days and subsequent projects)
Belinda was right - i should have taken more than 6!

I didnt attempt to proselytise, just thanked each individual for their speech/contribution and offered the dvd. All accepted their dvd graciously.

[Andrew Johnson]

Noel,

Good stuff - hopefully, all these things will increase the "osmotic pressure"....