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| ian neal wrote: | I'm reassured by J7's response to this film. I certainly wouldn't recommend sending this to J7 families.
Firstly I agree there is too much speculation wrapped up as fact as J7's response highlights
Second, it is clear that Muad does have a wider agenda. No problem with that. So do I. The problem comes when there are parts of this wider agenda that do not reflect well on the 'ripple effect' and would be used by our critics to discredit J7 truth by association if J7 endorsed it. To give an example, the reproduction in full of 'the protocols' on his/her website and the use of the protocols as a gateway through which to understand the wider age old conspiracy (which IMO is undoubtedly true) can and would be used to brand this voice as 'anti-jewish'. Now I know the argument can be made that the protocols refer to a hidden zionist elite (blah-de-blah) and not to jewish people in general, but given the infamy of the protocols and given the use to which Hitler put them to to justify the persecution of all jews and not just a zionist elite, any one using the protocols as a pathway to the 'truth' sets my radar off I'm afraid, regardless of what else may be truthful on the site.
Lastly, unless it is clear who Muad is, there is danger that if and when their identity is known, then their background again MAY not reflect well on J7. Sure it can be argued that the makers of Mind the Gap or Ludicrous Diversion are also anonymous, but they are known to J7 campaigners.
So in brief, watch it, take from it the bits of information that you find useful, but that's as far as it goes IMO.
FYI Muad appears to v occasionally post here under the 'cybe' username
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/search.php?search_author=cybe
As J7 wisely advise, question everything. [After all we are still waiting for Daniel O to give us an explanation of his 'account' of visiting Rachel's flat in his book, the 4th bomb, an account flatly contradicted by Rachel. His reluctance to do so makes me question the validity of the rest of his account.] |
I second all of your comments Ian. |
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Thanks for the support Ian and Sherlock, good to know that some here can separate fact from fiction. 
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| Prole wrote: | | kbo234 wrote: | | Prole wrote: |
Would 'The Muslims' so often referred to in 7/7 Ripple Effect not take offense at such views?
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We cannot know about those particular Muslims but, in terms of devout Muslims in general, you're certainly correct. They seem to be loathe to tolerate attacks of any kind against their religion and their prophet.
But Muad is on the side of the 4 Muslims in his film.
Maybe he hates man's lies but loves all that God has made?
I'm not understanding precisely what you think that Muad is up to that is sinister. |
Firstly, the them and us tone of your reply is telling. I assume you are a Christian.
I wasn't using Maud's term of 'The Muslims' to refer to the 4 accused, I had already stated that this term was suspicious. After reading some of his website, this term made more sense to me.
Maud'Dib has an agenda, which is painfully obvious from his website. He includes references to Muslim beliefs that would be perceived as offensive. He may THINK he KNOWS the TRUTH about God and man etc etc. He may THINK he KNOWS the TRUTH about what really happened on July 7th.
That he may well be mistaken in all of these beliefs does not seem to occur to some people here who are always ready to jump on the latest bandwagon, whether this takes the form of James Casbolt, Daniel 7:7 4thBomb or Maud'Dib's 7/7 Ripple Effect. You want the ease of answers without the painful processes of questioning, understanding and changing.
Doesn't the role and power of 'dis-information' ever occur to you? |
Hey, maybe you're mistaken in all of your beliefs? Has that ever occurred to you?
I am not suggesting your are but you might understand that this is a rather offensive suggestion to make....like you have thought things through but those who disagree with you, seeking easy self-satisfaction, have not.
Talk about 'ease of answers without going through the painful process of questioning, understanding and changing'. Do you think you have some kind of monopoly on the 'painful process of changing'? You know nothing about me or Muad or anyone on this forum who is arguing against you.
That particular comment is breathtakingly arrogant and ignorant.
Maybe those who deny the blatantly bloody obvious are disinfo merchants. Has that ever occurred to you.
I am very well aware that Muad's film weaves a speculative narrative, thank you very much.
It is simply that looking at the historical record, the obvious and uncontroversial anomalies, the news reports on the day, the government's (whoever they are) need for an event to justify the ongoing and ever-more-unpopular 'War On Terror' (at a time when there had been no 'terror' at all), the further empowerment of the 'surveillance society' together with all that has been written over the centuries about the elite's drive for a one-world government.....
......bearing all this in mind I find Muad's (yes) speculative narrative very much more believable the the official narrative that is still being driven into the public mind by the privately-owned mass-media day-in-day-out.
Disinfo??!!...*uck me. Never heard of it. |
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I know Muad' Dib very well and I trust him implicitly.
He has not got an hidden agenda it is all there to read and is very open about it. |
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| Andrew. wrote: | I know Muad' Dib very well and I trust him implicitly.
He has not got an hidden agenda it is all there to read and is very open about it. |
Perhaps you could help explain this statement then:
| Quote: | | .. the moslems are calling God a liar, which is a satanic thing to do. Satan called God a liar in the Garden of Eden and God condemned Adam and Eve for believing Satan's lies. These satanic lies are now being continued by the moslems when they contradict God by saying that the True Bible no longer exists ... |
I didn't claim that Maud had a 'hidden' agenda but that he has an actual agenda, of which a book he has authored and which is advertised as 'Most IMPORTANT book on the planet' claims:
| Quote: | | if, after having read and DIGESTED its contents, you choose to disbelieve it, that will have been your own decision and you will have my heartfelt pity, because, very soon, as a result of your decision, you will first be tortured, by what you have done, then burn and die on the Last-Day, as you have been promised and continually reminded of, for thousands of years. You will have missed your LAST chance to survive execution, and it will have been your own FREE choice. |
Charming!
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I hear what your saying Prole, you would need to study it, the answer's are there, to your very question.
If you look there are many pages that make reference to Moslem's and Mohammed, Peace be upon Him. |
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Hey Prole,
You don't like the fact that this man has proposed what many of us see as a credible, if speculative, narrative about 7/7 so you attack his character.
This is familiar behaviour.
Your thing is 7/7. So what judgements do you make regarding the many anomalies surrounding the events of 7/7?
Who do you think did it?
Or is the evidence just a mess of puzzling and contradictory facts that make no sense at all and never will until some esteemed appointed judge brings his brilliant mind and boundless wisdom to bear on the issue?
Will we never understand what happened until every last piece of the jigsaw is put together?
Surely you know that parliament needs a kicking on this issue? Surely you must also suspect that all this kind of polite respectful pat-a-cake on the issue is going to get you and the rest of us (our families are possible targets too, remember) precisely effing nowhere as the record (so far) demonstrates.
What do you think this is?...an episode of Columbo?.......where some cunning protagonist will conjure up a 'eureka' moment that will suddenly make the case for an Inquiry unopposable? |
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Dear all,
I've just joined the forum to have my say, because of all the hypocritical nonsense that's being spewed by a few.
There's lots of talk about sticking to "substantiated evidence", not "speculating", etc etc. And YET, some people are going all-out on an unsubstantiated speculative orgy about Muad'Dib.
FYI, "Cybe" is NOT Muad'Dib. (Oh! Look what I seem to have "discovered", how clever of me! - NOT). If you don't believe me, go ahead, SUBSTANTIATE your accusation.
Muad'Dib is NOT anti-Muslim in THE LEAST. In the quotes that were picked, he is basically asking them to SEE WHAT THE KORAN REALLY SAYS, and think about the implications of rejecting it. Telling them the TRUTH, as he sees it, as a friend would do for your benefit. And as a truly FREE spirit would not hesitate to do. But some people don't have a clue about freedom do they? You are not free to speak your mind on other subjects if you make a film about 7/7, no, "the J7 Napoleon's don't like it". If a person was really striving to be free, they would recognize a kindred soul speaking their mind. But they don't. To them, it becomes an "agenda" and rotten insinuations are made about it.
"Islam" (the organized religion) is not the only organized religion that Muad'Dib or JAH Publications has commented on, yet only a quote directed to Muslims has been picked out to make it look like he has an agenda against Muslims.
Talk about illogical thinking from all these oh so “intelligent” intellectuals - if he was anti-Muslim why would he make a film defending four of them?
Shoddy research? Speculation? Slander? Or all of these?
For goodness' sake, the Koran itself is included in JAH Publication's King of kings' Bible, and cross referenced with the Bible to show how they are in perfect harmony, if you stick to what the Scriptures say, and not organized religions' doctrines which colour the Scriptures the way they want people to see them.
Also, what's up with you people? If you don't already know that people in the government/police, etc at least had prior knowledge of 7/7, then you never will. You seem to be working towards getting the Devil to tell you the truth (release the evidence). That will never happen. They must be forced to. Those who recognize this fact, have to begin uniting.
And that's the good thing with this film, which is dividing in the GOOD way (Luke 12:51-52), i.e. uniting all those who recognize that action has to be taken, and separating them from those who think the government is going to play nice and 'fess up (or want to make others believe that is the right way to go about it).
I agree with one thing that "J7" (whoever in J7 it happens to be at the time) says - question everything. For that includes questioning people in J7 itself, and their motives, does it not?
Re: "At least J7 knows who was behind Ludicrous Diversion" etc -
Well I know who Muad'Dib is. I don't know who you people are. I only know some of you are hypocrites and full of your selfs, and are slandering my friend with UNsubstantiated accusations. You are doing the enemy's work for them. Aren't you proud?
Your prejudices (I know a lot of you are atheists and took exception to "God" being mentioned ONCE in the film because I saw comments about that on the J7 forum) and egotistical attempts to control everything related to 7/7, blind you to what the film and Muad'Dib's intent is really all about. You are acting as gatekeepers, helping the enemy, whether conciously or unconsciously, to try and prevent a tidal-wave of support from being generated to get the suspects and put them on trial.
It is good to see that others here are not as blind.
LLTF,
Danny.
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| zbo234 wrote: | Hey Prole,
You don't like the fact that this man has proposed what many of us see as a credible, if speculative, narrative about 7/7 so you attack his character.
This is familiar behaviour. |
I was also extremely concerned that Muad was asking for the addresses of victim's families and survivors, even asking NHS workers if they could break data-protection laws. I was interested to find out who was behind the film as, unlike Ludicrous Diversion, this video was linked to an author and website. As we say, question everything. Even Muad'Dib.
| kbo234 wrote: | | Who do you think did it? |
We answer this on the website:
| J7 wrote: | | I think it is significant that the opponents of J7 have persistently used the taunt of "what do you think happened then?"; quite recently someone posted on another forum that we don't put our money where our mouth is. This is a trap. As soon as an alternative is put forward, the focus shifts from examining the official account to examining the alternative account. |
Do you seriously believe that 7/7 Ripple Effect threatens the government narrative in the same way that exerting pressure to force them to prove their own flawed account does?
edited to spell Muad correctly
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| Danny wrote: | | Telling them the TRUTH, as he sees it |
Precisely my point.
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Was Muad'Dib born in Sheffield in 1948 by any chance? Does David Shayler know he has competition?
| Quote: | Christ said not for a generation (40 years) would he claim his Rightful Throne, the British-Israel Throne of David.
On 13/June/1988, 40 years from the Fig Tree putting forth its new shoots in 1948, Christ served a High Court Writ upon the British Parliament, at court in the City of Sheffield, where his new body had been born in 1948, as prophesied, demanding that he be acknowledged by Parliament as the Rightful British-Israel King.
Just as happened 2000 years before, when he was rejected by the "House of Judah", Christ was again rejected but this time by the other branch of Jacob-Israel's children - the "House of Israel".
This then condemned the "House of Israel"; who had by their rejection of Christ declared themselves to be Christ's enemies, like the "House of Judah"; to be punished by God and turned into Christ's footstool. That punishment involves defeat and slaughter of both "Houses" at Armageddon and their return to slavery again (Deut. 28:68) as they were in Egypt and later in Assyria and Babylon (soon) because they rejected The Covenant and God's Laws and Christ's Sovereignty.
Christ said that THIS generation who were born in 1948 would see all things come to pass and the setting up of his "Kingdom without End", which would fill the whole earth.
Christ said, "A Prophet is NEVER accepted in his own land and by his own people and family." |
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''Was Muad'Dib born in Sheffield in 1948 by any chance? ''
Yes indeed he was, as clearly stated on his web site.
Also the full transcript for 7/7 Ripple effect is on his wed site.
http://jforjustice.co.uk/77/
It would be honourable to use this transcript as some people are adding and diminishing from what he actually has said and therefore misinterpreting his word.
LLTF,
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| Prole wrote: |
Do you seriously believe that 7/7 Ripple Effect threatens the government narrative in the same way that exerting pressure to force them to prove their own flawed account does?
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A very interesting question.
Actually I think you need both approaches, yours and Muad's exactly as we now have it...... the direct, clinical, cautious but determined.......and the more asymmetric stirring of the collective consciousness that Muad's film represents.
I would in no way criticise your approach.
It is just that the more outrageous and emotive material is also very much needed IMO.
This is an issue, if ever there was one, where the public and our representatives need a real shaking up.
You should not imagine (in my view) that Muad's film will work against you even if you disown its contents, as you do.
I also strongly suspect that his narrative is pretty close to what actually happened. When you become certain of what took place on 9/11, such outrageous suspicions about 7/7 (i.e. that it is probably an 'inside job') come straight to mind. It fires you up.
The real government, the embedded criminal financial elite who have been doing this kind of thing for centuries to further their interests, need exposing.
Time is short and we are all, that's everybody, at great risk. |
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| Andrew. wrote: | ''Was Muad'Dib born in Sheffield in 1948 by any chance? ''
Yes indeed he was, as clearly stated on his web site.
Also the full transcript for 7/7 Ripple effect is on his wed site.
http://jforjustice.co.uk/77/
It would be honourable to use this transcript as some people are adding and diminishing from what he actually has said and therefore misinterpreting his word.
LLTF,
Andrew. |
So JAH or Muad'Dib (I presume they are the same person?) is referring to himself when he wrote:
| Quote: | | On 13/June/1988, 40 years from the Fig Tree putting forth its new shoots in 1948, Christ served a High Court Writ upon the British Parliament, at court in the City of Sheffield, where his new body had been born in 1948, as prophesied, demanding that he be acknowledged by Parliament as the Rightful British-Israel King. |
Does this mean that Muad'Dib/JAH believes he is both the second coming and also the rightful heir to the British throne? I wonder where Muad'Dib/JAH stands on another event of 1948, the al Nakba, especially as he claims to be the Rightful British-Israel King?
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We answer this on the website:
| J7 wrote: | I think it is significant that the opponents of J7 have persistently used the taunt of "what do you think happened then?"; quite recently someone posted on another forum that we don't put our money where our mouth is. This is a trap. As soon as an alternative is put forward, the focus shifts from examining the official account to examining the alternative account.
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http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/topstories/display.var.1874286 .0.death_details_leave_77_families_shocked.php
| Quote: | Death details leave 7/7 families shocked
By Natalie Fahy
Families of victims of the 7/7 bomb attacks have been left shocked after they were sent detailed descriptions of their relatives' fatal injuries.
The post-mortem examination reports were sent out on behalf of the coroner, but some families did not ask to see them and most were not expecting them.
Graham Foulkes, whose 22-year-old son David was killed in the bombings, told the Daily Mail the coroner's actions showed he was "not a fit and proper person to carry out the inquests into such a delicate matter".
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A spokeswoman for the coroner, Dr Andrew Reid, said: "Dr Reid and the coroner's officers have always tried to treat all families involved equally and felt they had taken adequate precautions to allow those who had received the information the choice of whether or not they wished to view it.
"This is never going to be easy for those who have lost loved ones.
"Any family member who feels they require an explanation about the actions taken, and why the court sent the reports, should contact Dr Reid immediately."
A date for the inquest into the July 7 deaths has still not been set.
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| Danny wrote: | Dear all,
I've just joined the forum to have my say, because of all the hypocritical nonsense that's being spewed by a few.
There's lots of talk about sticking to "substantiated evidence", not "speculating", etc etc. And YET, some people are going all-out on an unsubstantiated speculative orgy about Muad'Dib.
FYI, "Cybe" is NOT Muad'Dib. (Oh! Look what I seem to have "discovered", how clever of me! - NOT). If you don't believe me, go ahead, SUBSTANTIATE your accusation.
Muad'Dib is NOT anti-Muslim in THE LEAST. In the quotes that were picked, he is basically asking them to SEE WHAT THE KORAN REALLY SAYS, and think about the implications of rejecting it. Telling them the TRUTH, as he sees it, as a friend would do for your benefit. And as a truly FREE spirit would not hesitate to do. But some people don't have a clue about freedom do they? You are not free to speak your mind on other subjects if you make a film about 7/7, no, "the J7 Napoleon's don't like it". If a person was really striving to be free, they would recognize a kindred soul speaking their mind. But they don't. To them, it becomes an "agenda" and rotten insinuations are made about it.
"Islam" (the organized religion) is not the only organized religion that Muad'Dib or JAH Publications has commented on, yet only a quote directed to Muslims has been picked out to make it look like he has an agenda against Muslims.
Talk about illogical thinking from all these oh so “intelligent” intellectuals - if he was anti-Muslim why would he make a film defending four of them?
Shoddy research? Speculation? Slander? Or all of these?
For goodness' sake, the Koran itself is included in JAH Publication's King of kings' Bible, and cross referenced with the Bible to show how they are in perfect harmony, if you stick to what the Scriptures say, and not organized religions' doctrines which colour the Scriptures the way they want people to see them.
Also, what's up with you people? If you don't already know that people in the government/police, etc at least had prior knowledge of 7/7, then you never will. You seem to be working towards getting the Devil to tell you the truth (release the evidence). That will never happen. They must be forced to. Those who recognize this fact, have to begin uniting.
And that's the good thing with this film, which is dividing in the GOOD way (Luke 12:51-52), i.e. uniting all those who recognize that action has to be taken, and separating them from those who think the government is going to play nice and 'fess up (or want to make others believe that is the right way to go about it).
I agree with one thing that "J7" (whoever in J7 it happens to be at the time) says - question everything. For that includes questioning people in J7 itself, and their motives, does it not?
Re: "At least J7 knows who was behind Ludicrous Diversion" etc -
Well I know who Muad'Dib is. I don't know who you people are. I only know some of you are hypocrites and full of your selfs, and are slandering my friend with UNsubstantiated accusations. You are doing the enemy's work for them. Aren't you proud?
Your prejudices (I know a lot of you are atheists and took exception to "God" being mentioned ONCE in the film because I saw comments about that on the J7 forum) and egotistical attempts to control everything related to 7/7, blind you to what the film and Muad'Dib's intent is really all about. You are acting as gatekeepers, helping the enemy, whether conciously or unconsciously, to try and prevent a tidal-wave of support from being generated to get the suspects and put them on trial.
It is good to see that others here are not as blind.
LLTF,
Danny.
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Thanks for posting here Danny. At least you know what Muad is actually about, being a collaborator.
His background beliefs hardly matter, much like Alex Jones or someone who people also try to number. It's what's on show that matters, and what's on show here is a rounded thesis.
Whether it's correct or not hardly matters - people can debate that to kingdom come
What matters is whether it unlocks attitudes, and I certainly think it might do that
I remain doubtful about sending it to victims or relatives of the deceased. After all, it was a mind control exercise and those who've been traumatised and accepted the official story are the least likely to be moved from their position
Daniel Obichike and his friend, supposedly a relative of a deceased victim are the only involved parties questioning the OCT and I understand Muad kept Daniel's story out of the video because it has been criticised as unreliable. So a discernment coming in to what was valid info
(I regard Daniel's info as most probably valid)
I agree with those above who spurn an independent inquiry as a solution.
They are not independent and are a pure whitewash, and the evidence for the OCT is so frail and transparent, that an independent enquiry will never be granted while we have any true freedom left
Muad's film remains the most concerted effort we have to turn people from dronery on the 7/7 issue, and I still support it
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| Prole wrote: | | Andrew. wrote: | ''Was Muad'Dib born in Sheffield in 1948 by any chance? ''
Yes indeed he was, as clearly stated on his web site.
Also the full transcript for 7/7 Ripple effect is on his wed site.
http://jforjustice.co.uk/77/
It would be honourable to use this transcript as some people are adding and diminishing from what he actually has said and therefore misinterpreting his word.
LLTF,
Andrew. |
So JAH or Muad'Dib (I presume they are the same person?) is referring to himself when he wrote:
| Quote: | | On 13/June/1988, 40 years from the Fig Tree putting forth its new shoots in 1948, Christ served a High Court Writ upon the British Parliament, at court in the City of Sheffield, where his new body had been born in 1948, as prophesied, demanding that he be acknowledged by Parliament as the Rightful British-Israel King. |
Does this mean that Muad'Dib/JAH believe he is both the second coming and also the rightful heir to the British throne? I wonder where Muad'Dib/JAH stands on another event of 1948, the al Nakba, especially as he claims to be the Rightful British-Israel King? |
Absolutely.
With all the proof that's needed. And to provide you with all you need! [if used properly]
'' al Nakba'' If you asked Muad'Dib/JAH personaly he would be able to tell you in ''minute detail'' in both questions.
Peace be upon you.
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| Andrew. wrote: | | Prole wrote: | | Andrew. wrote: | ''Was Muad'Dib born in Sheffield in 1948 by any chance? ''
Yes indeed he was, as clearly stated on his web site.
Also the full transcript for 7/7 Ripple effect is on his wed site.
http://jforjustice.co.uk/77/
It would be honourable to use this transcript as some people are adding and diminishing from what he actually has said and therefore misinterpreting his word.
LLTF,
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So JAH or Muad'Dib (I presume they are the same person?) is referring to himself when he wrote:
| Quote: | | On 13/June/1988, 40 years from the Fig Tree putting forth its new shoots in 1948, Christ served a High Court Writ upon the British Parliament, at court in the City of Sheffield, where his new body had been born in 1948, as prophesied, demanding that he be acknowledged by Parliament as the Rightful British-Israel King. |
Does this mean that Muad'Dib/JAH believe he is both the second coming and also the rightful heir to the British throne? I wonder where Muad'Dib/JAH stands on another event of 1948, the al Nakba, especially as he claims to be the Rightful British-Israel King? |
Absolutely.
With all the proof that's needed. And to provide you with all you need! [if used properly]
'' al Nakba'' If you asked Muad'Dib/JAH personaly he would be able to tell you in ''minute detail'' in both questions.
Peace be upon you.
LLTF,
Andrew. |
If the 'proof' that Muad'Dib/JAH 'needed' to construct his 7/7 Ripple Effect is anything to go by, it's a sure certainty that he wouldn't be able to convince me of anything. Thanks anyway.
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Don't let anything disturb your obvious single-minded attachment to this video. The fact that the person who made it believes he can prove he is both the Messiah and the Rightful British-Israel King won't do a thing to discredit 7/7 truth, no sireee.
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| paul wright wrote: | You should probably get off your high horse, Prole
Respect given to your hard work |
No problem. You are all now aware of the provenance of this film and J7's views on it.
Can't do more than that.
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| Prole wrote: | | Andrew. wrote: | | Prole wrote: | | Andrew. wrote: | ''Was Muad'Dib born in Sheffield in 1948 by any chance? ''
Yes indeed he was, as clearly stated on his web site.
Also the full transcript for 7/7 Ripple effect is on his wed site.
http://jforjustice.co.uk/77/
It would be honourable to use this transcript as some people are adding and diminishing from what he actually has said and therefore misinterpreting his word.
LLTF,
Andrew. |
So JAH or Muad'Dib (I presume they are the same person?) is referring to himself when he wrote:
| Quote: | | On 13/June/1988, 40 years from the Fig Tree putting forth its new shoots in 1948, Christ served a High Court Writ upon the British Parliament, at court in the City of Sheffield, where his new body had been born in 1948, as prophesied, demanding that he be acknowledged by Parliament as the Rightful British-Israel King. |
Does this mean that Muad'Dib/JAH believe he is both the second coming and also the rightful heir to the British throne? I wonder where Muad'Dib/JAH stands on another event of 1948, the al Nakba, especially as he claims to be the Rightful British-Israel King? |
Absolutely.
With all the proof that's needed. And to provide you with all you need! [if used properly]
'' al Nakba'' If you asked Muad'Dib/JAH personaly he would be able to tell you in ''minute detail'' in both questions.
Peace be upon you.
LLTF,
Andrew. |
If the 'proof' that Muad'Dib/JAH 'needed' to construct his 7/7 Ripple Effect is anything to go by, it's a sure certainty that he wouldn't be able to convince me of anything. Thanks anyway. |
I understand Prole. He does have overwhelming physical proof! and Scripture! also in this
particular claim!!! 
Do you believe the official government version of events regarding 7/7 ?
LLTF
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| Danny wrote: | Dear all,
I've just joined the forum to have my say, because of all the hypocritical nonsense that's being spewed by a few.
There's lots of talk about sticking to "substantiated evidence", not "speculating", etc etc. And YET, some people are going all-out on an unsubstantiated speculative orgy about Muad'Dib. |
Apart from one small comment saying that Muad'Dib posted here as cybe there's only been talk about what JAH and Muad'Dib have written. Taking issue with someone accusing 'the moslems' of spreading satanic lies is hardly a 'unsubstantiated speculative orgy'
Since you seem to be in close contact with those behined the JforJustice website I'm hoping you'll appraise me of the evidence-based approach that they took to reach the following conclusions:
that George Lucas was told telepathically what to write for the first three Star Wars movies
that whoever is behind the moniker Muad'Dib is the Messiah or a prophet
that the 'Force' as what is depicted in the Star Wars movies truly exists
that the 'Moslems' are spreading satanic lies
the Ark of The Covenant is buried in Ireland
| Quote: | | FYI, "Cybe" is NOT Muad'Dib. (Oh! Look what I seem to have "discovered", how clever of me! - NOT). If you don't believe me, go ahead, SUBSTANTIATE your accusation. |
cybe is actually Staffan Enbom a 29-year old from Helsinki Finland
Looking at the JAH -truth invested 'Recover the Ark of the Covenant' petition I'm guessing that signee number 1, Yassin Moutalib, is the one who's adopted the Muad'Dib moniker.
| Quote: | Muad'Dib is NOT anti-Muslim in THE LEAST. In the quotes that were picked, he is basically asking them to SEE WHAT THE KORAN REALLY SAYS, and think about the implications of rejecting it. Telling them the TRUTH, as he sees it, as a friend would do for your benefit. And as a truly FREE spirit would not hesitate to do. But some people don't have a clue about freedom do they? You are not free to speak your mind on other subjects if you make a film about 7/7, no, "the J7 Napoleon's don't like it". If a person was really striving to be free, they would recognize a kindred soul speaking their mind. But they don't. To them, it becomes an "agenda" and rotten insinuations are made about it.
"Islam" (the organized religion) is not the only organized religion that Muad'Dib or JAH Publications has commented on, yet only a quote directed to Muslims has been picked out to make it look like he has an agenda against Muslims.
Talk about illogical thinking from all these oh so “intelligent” intellectuals - if he was anti-Muslim why would he make a film defending four of them? |
You say that all four of them make a trip to London, apart from the Government's say so what evidence do you have for this?
'The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.'
| Quote: | Shoddy research? Speculation? Slander? Or all of these?
For goodness' sake, the Koran itself is included in JAH Publication's King of kings' Bible, and cross referenced with the Bible to show how they are in perfect harmony, if you stick to what the Scriptures say, and not organized religions' doctrines which colour the Scriptures the way they want people to see them.
Also, what's up with you people? If you don't already know that people in the government/police, etc at least had prior knowledge of 7/7, then you never will. You seem to be working towards getting the Devil to tell you the truth (release the evidence). That will never happen. They must be forced to. Those who recognize this fact, have to begin uniting.
And that's the good thing with this film, which is dividing in the GOOD way (Luke 12:51-52), i.e. uniting all those who recognize that action has to be taken, and separating them from those who think the government is going to play nice and 'fess up (or want to make others believe that is the right way to go about it). |
If the creators of the J7 forum thought the Government were going to 'play nice' they wouldn't have created the website in the first place.
| Quote: | | I agree with one thing that "J7" (whoever in J7 it happens to be at the time) says - question everything. For that includes questioning people in J7 itself, and their motives, does it not? |
If you want to question the motives of J7 then go ahead. I'll be awaiting your credible argument as to why the site, now over two years old and which you have made use of, has an ulterior motive.
| Quote: | | Re: "At least J7 knows who was behind Ludicrous Diversion" etc - |
The makers of LD appear to be open-minded people.
| Quote: | | Well I know who Muad'Dib is. I don't know who you people are. |
I think I got a good enough impression of Muad'Dib off the telly.
| Quote: | | I only know some of you are hypocrites and full of your selfs, and are slandering my friend with UNsubstantiated accusations. You are doing the enemy's work for them. Aren't you proud? |
I understand that you, like George Bush and Company, are enemies of the U.S. constitution
| Quote: | Danny, signing off from the Satanically-inspired man-made legislation CON-stitution supporters list, in hope that this "fall"/untruth will be reversed/corrected, soon.
100777.com |
Interestingly how you and G. B. both see the constitution as a threat to your interests. Common threats help bring about shared identities.
| Quote: | Your prejudices (I know a lot of you [I don't know who you people are.] are atheists and took exception to "God" being mentioned ONCE in the film because I saw comments about that on the J7 forum) and egotistical attempts to control everything related to 7/7, blind you to what the film and Muad'Dib's intent is really all about. You are acting as gatekeepers, helping the enemy, whether conciously or unconsciously, to try and prevent a tidal-wave of support from being generated to get the suspects and put them on trial.
It is good to see that others here are not as blind.
LLTF,
Danny. |
Although the somewhat close-minded approach to the film is disappointing and nevertheless will be judged on its own merits, it's the content of the JforJustice, JAH truth sites and the words and intended actions of 'Muad'Dib' that is much more disturbing. I've contacted none of the survivors or the relatives of those who died, except for those who have gone onto the forums, but if I were to then I'd contact them before making a film and try and get their input. But someone's put the idea in Muad'Dib's head that it's best to act as cold, distant, domineering and as closed-minded towards them as the Government have done.
| Quote: | | egotistical attempts to control everything related to 7/7 |
Although there's a ring of truth in that statement, on my part but not the others, if you cared to contact the creators of Mind the Gap or Ludicrous Diversion I'm sure you'll find that they didn't receive a response like that given to those behind the 'Ripple Effect' film.
| Quote: | | P.S. At least spell his name correctly. |
Muad'Dib is a fictional character from Frank Herbert's Dune. I'm sure no offence will be taken. |
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Guzman - once again a highly intellectual post.
Muad'Dib according to a google search also means the educator or teacher.
Personally, i dont think the debunking of the filmaker serves us well. Everyone had a life before 7/7 and everyone has other causes and interests. We have all become too used to shooting the messenger.
Prole - i honestly dont get your attacks on the filmaker. I dont know who made Ludicrous Diversion but that does not stop me duplicating it and handing it out to people. So. i also dont know who Muad'Dib is, nor do i know who you are. This is the internet age and very few of us actually know who it is we are conversing with. Ofcourse if we investigate we can find out but what difference does it make?
Whatever Muad'Dib's politics or religious views are, do not detract from his documentary because it is a good and plausible reconstruction. I was screaming for someone to make a film about 7/7. And now we have one.
Lets be grateful that someone has used his time and resources to make a high quality 7/7 campaign tool. Lets stop debunking him.
| Quote: | | Although the somewhat close-minded approach to the film is disappointing |
Problem at the moment is most of the public have swallowed the Labour propaganda including the Muslim public. This film at least shows people we have all been lied to and provides an alternative view. Personally i would have liked it to be 90 minutes long and contain more detail eg: the bus driver eg: ICTS eg: Jacob 'Kobi' Alexander, etc but as i said before it is important in that the message of the film potentially waking up Muslims and the general public, and perhaps a second longer version may be in the pipeline?
Muad'Dib is a truthseeker like all of us
lets welcome him into the fold not frighten him off
I could ask the question what harm does it do to make more people wake up to the 7/7 issue?
This Labour government is never going to play ball and spill the beans. Look at the Ripple Effect as another Kevin Costner JFK or a Capricorn One. JFK blew the lid off the Kennedy assasination and Capricorn blew the lid off the moon landings deception. The Ripple Effect will do the same for 7/7 it is a powerful tool and we must spam it and hype it to the max.
Time is running out, we dont want to wait 20-30 years when it will be too late to mean anything. |
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| guzman wrote: | | 'The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.' |
Says it all.
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