Steven Jones is referring to the Leidenfrost effect - and you and adjuk (the maker of the above video) clearly don't understand what he's talking about.
ignorance is bliss I suppose....
stephen - have you ever thought of actually using your brain instead of just repeating other people's drivel?
The Leidenfrost effect is a phenomenon in which a liquid, in near contact with a mass significantly hotter than its boiling point, produces an insulating vapor layer which keeps that liquid from boiling rapidly. This is most commonly seen when cooking; one sprinkles drops of water in a skillet to gauge its temperature—if the skillet's temperature is at or above the Leidenfrost point, the water skitters across the metal and takes longer to evaporate than it would in a skillet that is hot, but at a temperature below the Leidenfrost point. It has also been used in some dangerous demonstrations, such as dipping a wet finger in molten lead and blowing out a mouthful of liquid nitrogen, both enacted without injury to the demonstrator. The effect is also responsible for the ability of liquid nitrogen to skitter across lab floors, collecting dust in the process.
Steven Jones is referring to the Leidenfrost effect - and you and adjuk (the maker of the above video) clearly don't understand what he's talking about.
ignorance is bliss I suppose....
stephen - have you ever thought of actually using your brain instead of just repeating other people's drivel?
The Leidenfrost effect is a phenomenon in which a liquid, in near contact with a mass significantly hotter than its boiling point, produces an insulating vapor layer which keeps that liquid from boiling rapidly. This is most commonly seen when cooking; one sprinkles drops of water in a skillet to gauge its temperature—if the skillet's temperature is at or above the Leidenfrost point, the water skitters across the metal and takes longer to evaporate than it would in a skillet that is hot, but at a temperature below the Leidenfrost point. It has also been used in some dangerous demonstrations, such as dipping a wet finger in molten lead and blowing out a mouthful of liquid nitrogen, both enacted without injury to the demonstrator. The effect is also responsible for the ability of liquid nitrogen to skitter across lab floors, collecting dust in the process.
Lets get down to the facts matey, There was no Molten Metal @ Ground Zero thats why I have posted this link here. Plus Jones have got to be a disinfo Agent. Just Check out The Judy Wood site.
Molten Metal Quotes and Photos-Updated 2/7/2007
Post by B Real on Sept 5, 2006, 2:19am
Peter Tully, president of Tully Construction of Flushing, New York, told this reporter he had seen pools of "literally molten steel" at the World Trade Center, where his company had been contracted to remove debris, weeks after the attacks.
Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, Maryland, wrote the clean-up plan for the WTC and confirmed the presence of molten metal at the site. Loizeaux said there was, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven basement levels," The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,". Loizeaux also confirmed that molten iron had been found in the rubble of WTC 7, the building owned by Larry Silverstein which was neither hit by an airplane, but collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon of 9/11.
A report on the Government Computer News website quotes Greg Fuchek, vice president of sales for LinksPoint Inc. as stating:
"In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel"
source: http://www.gcn.com/print/21_27a/19930-1.html
A transcription of an audio interview of Ground Zero chaplain Herb Trimpe contains the following passage:
"When I was there, of course, the remnants of the towers were still standing. It looked like an enormous junkyard. A scrap metal yard, very similar to that. Except this was still burning. There was still fire. On the cold days, even in January, there was a noticeable difference between the temperature in the middle of the site than there was when you walked two blocks over on Broadway. You could actually feel the heat.
It took me a long time to realize it and I found myself actually one day wanting to get back. Why? Because I felt more comfortable. I realized it was actually warmer on site. The fires burned, up to 2,000 degrees, underground for quite a while before they actually got down to those areas and they cooled off.
A report in the Johns Hopkins Public Health Magazine about recovery work in late October quotes Alison Geyh, Ph.D., as stating:
"Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel."
source: http://www.jhsph.edu/Publications/Special/Welch.htm
A publication by the National Environmental Health Association quotes Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived at Ground Zero on the evening of September 12th. Burger stated:
"Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helen’s and the thousands who fled that disaster."
source: http://www.neha.org/9-11%20report/index-The.html
An article in The Newsletter of the Structural Engineers Association of Utah describing an speaking appearance by Leslie Robertson (structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center) contains this passage:
"As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running"
source: http://www.seau.org/SEAUNews-2001-10.pdf (page 3)
A member of the New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6. He kept a journal on which an article containing the following passage is based.
"Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots."
source: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200112/ai_n9015802 #continue
The book American Ground, which contains detailed descriptions of conditions at Ground Zero, contains this passage:
"... or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole."
source: American Ground (page 32)
A review of of the documentary Collateral Damage in the New York Post describes firemen at Ground Zero recalling "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel."
source: http://www.nypost.com/movies/19574.htm
Dr. Keith Eaton toured Ground Zero and stated in The Structural Engineer, "They showed us many fascinating slides, ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster
source: Structural Engineer, September 2002
Sarah Atlas was part of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue and was one of the first on the scene at Ground Zero with her canine partner Anna. She reported in Penn Arts and Sciences, summer 2002, "Nobody's going to be alive.' Fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet."
source: Penn, 2002
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject:
So Stephen, why don't you explain why Judy Wood contradicts people who were actually there, when all she has is a dubious theory and some photographs? _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
It's the only way.
Jones has deceived the 9/11 truth movement with his misidentification of the molten metal flowing from the South Tower as steel. Instead, it was almost certainly lead, which melts at 327.5 degrees Centigrade, easily within the range of temperatures reached by the fires in WTC2. The lead originated in the banks of lead batteries kept by Fuji Bank as a back-up for its computers, according to an employee who contacted journalist Christopher Bollyn
http://iamthewitness.com/Bollyn/Bollyn-Thermate-WTC.html
The batteries were stored on the 79-82nd floors and Flight 175 hit the 79th floor very close to them. Don't expect Jones to admit this, though, even though he knows all about it, having discussed it with Bollyn. Most scientists don't like admitting they were wrong, and Jones's thermate idea depends on the molten metal being steel, for, if it were lead, which melts at a much lower temperature than the 1538 degrees Centigrade needed by iron, thermate is no longer needed to cause the supposed steel to melt. As for his molten iron spherules, someone should tell him that high explosives can reach high enough temperatures briefly to melt iron particles if the explosives are in contact with the metal. Mixing with the sulphur dioxide fumes in the fire smoke and then solidifying easily explains why Jones found high concentrations of sulphur in his iron spherules. You don't need thermate to achieve this.
Jones only original contribution to 9/11 research has crashed to the ground like the towers whose collapse he claimed to explain. He thinks the corrosion of the 'toasted' cars at the WTC car park was caused by thermate? *! It was the strong, sulphurous acidity, created by the release of sulphur dioxide from burning gypsum wallboard and other sources, in the ash, smoke and chemicals raining down on the cars that attacked the iron in them and in fallen girders, quickly oxidising their surfaces into a reddish brown coat of ferric oxide. Here's a scientific paper that totally debunks Jones' suggestion:
http://www.911myths.com/Sulfur.pdf
And here is a scientific analysis of the contaminants in the New York atmosphere following 9/11 that show 37-43% levels of sulphur in the air on 12 & 13 September, 2001. Quite enough to cause corrosion in exposed iron.
http://www.ehponline.org/members/2003/5930/5930.html
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject:
Micpsi wrote:
Jones has deceived the 9/11 truth movement with his misidentification of the molten metal flowing from the South Tower as steel. Instead, it was almost certainly lead, which melts at 327.5 degrees Centigrade, easily within the range of temperatures reached by the fires in WTC2. The lead originated in the banks of lead batteries kept by Fuji Bank as a back-up for its computers, according to an employee who contacted journalist Christopher Bollyn
http://iamthewitness.com/Bollyn/Bollyn-Thermate-WTC.html
The batteries were stored on the 79-82nd floors and Flight 175 hit the 79th floor very close to them. Don't expect Jones to admit this, though, even though he knows all about it, having discussed it with Bollyn. Most scientists don't like admitting they were wrong, and Jones's thermate idea depends on the molten metal being steel, for, if it were lead, which melts at a much lower temperature than the 1538 degrees Centigrade needed by iron, thermate is no longer needed to cause the supposed steel to melt.
As for his molten iron spherules, someone should tell him that high explosives can reach high enough temperatures briefly to melt iron particles if the explosives are in contact with the metal. Mixing with the sulphur dioxide fumes in the fire smoke and then solidifying easily explains why Jones found high concentrations of sulphur in his iron spherules. You don't need thermate to achieve this.
Whether the metal was aluminium or lead (which is unlikely due to their requiring containment after becoming molten) or iron from the steel, the temperature indicated by its luminosity is the same. In other words if aluminium or lead was superheated to that colour the steel would be molten too. The question remains: where did that heat source come from?
Micpsi wrote:
Jones only original contribution to 9/11 research has crashed to the ground like the towers whose collapse he claimed to explain. He thinks the corrosion of the 'toasted' cars at the WTC car park was caused by thermate? *! It was the strong, sulphurous acidity, created by the release of sulphur dioxide from burning gypsum wallboard and other sources, in the ash, smoke and chemicals raining down on the cars that attacked the iron in them and in fallen girders, quickly oxidising their surfaces into a reddish brown coat of ferric oxide. Here's a scientific paper that totally debunks Jones' suggestion:
http://www.911myths.com/Sulfur.pdf
but I'm sure I've seen more detailed information from Jones which I can't source at the moment.
However, I'm certain he doesn't say thermite/thermate is the sole constituent cause. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
It's the only way.
I am interested to see a few posters here supporting the cover up of the fact that almost infinite almost free energy was used to destroy the WTC.
Just think - we can use this energy to power the world instead of using it to destroy 2 massive buildings in 20 seconds.
This means - we don't need to burn oil or gas or stuff like that.
It's so cool for the PTB to have people willing and able to "trust in Jones" who is keeping this information - and the very similar aspects of cold fusion from common knowledge. (Cold fusion seems to have a strong relationship to what was used to destroy the towers)
I hope posters will think carefully about this.... (we hope to publish more information in the coming weeks). _________________ Andrew
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:56 am Post subject:
I know you won't but - in light of your "trust in Wood" - would you care to comment on her 'steam explosions' assertions - and the rather obvious fallacy in her water on hot fat analogy in her Uncle Fetzer interview discussed in this thread?
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:37 am Post subject:
Andrew,
Please stay and debate these issues if you feel they are so key. Your usual MO of coming in with a post and then disappearing doesn't do your argument any favours.
Is it true that you pay for Judy wood's site?
Andy _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King
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