Israel running US : quelle surprise!

[HERA]

The most critical computer and communication networks used by the U.S. government and military are secured by encryption software written by an Israeli "code breaker" tied to an Israeli state-run scientific institution.


http://www.rense.com/general72/sisi.htm

[Abandoned Ego]

[Bowery Boy]

Hello
George

[ian neal]

[HERA]

Isreal?

[scar]

would you prefer ISIS - RA - EL?

Why not focus on tangible evidence that doesnt alienate and potentially cause grief?
You can still expose the all pervasive influence of the global banking elite without mentioning words that have negative connotations in the majority mindset like zionism.
New film coming soon is doing this:

http://www.freedomtofascism.com

I think it could make serious waves...

see also:
Money Masters:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8442305921010099392
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5020331178524208549
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3510313821923167501

[Solomon]

Why has none of the Media picked up and focused upon one or more of the many un-answered questions
surrounding the events of 911? How could anyone, in their right mind, be satisfied with the "Commission's"
report? Who are the Government supposed to serve, themselves or *us* "the people, the electorate"?
How much longer are we going to pretend that the bulk of the Western media is NOT bought and paid for?
We ALL know full well that television, radio, newspapers, magazines, books and even motion pictures
are controlled by "the powers that be" in order to brainwash us ALL into thinking what they want us to think.
If we're NOT thinking "their" way at the moment then, it's only a matter of time before they break us down -
or is it? Are we going to get wise and accept that the greatest portion of the Media are working together?
That, in spite that we have the "appearance" of choice, the FACT is; we are steadily being manipulated.

Now I'm sorry if these FACTS appear to focus on one "people" more than another but.. FACTS are FACTS..

And being so, these are FACTS that we ought to consider as they effect ALL media watchers and listeners...

I'm currently researching the basis of our own "British" media but here's some FACTS concerning America..
http://www.realnews247.com/who_rules_america_updated_2004.htm
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[ian neal]

Just to be crystal clear on my take on this.

The PTB have been and continue to be the controlling force behind zionism and Isreali politics. The PTB undoubtedly include many people who describe themselves as jewish and zionist. The PTB have been and continue to be the controlling force behind the mainstream media (MSM) and every other institution of significant influence. Evidence (like the facts you link to Solomon) indicate that a disproportionate number of people in the US MSM describe themselves as jewish. There is strong evidence of an Isreali connection in 9/11.

BUT all of this does not add up IMO to the conclusion that Isreal runs the US or the world, etc.

I make the suggestion that the division within the 9/11 TM that is promoted by some between 'zionist deniers' and non 'zionist deniers' is a false one that conveniently suits the PTB interests.

What better way to discredit the 9/11 TM in the eyes of the vast majority of people who are still blissfully ignorant of 9/11 truth and its implications than to associate it with anti-semiticism, racism and the exact forces of fascism we are struggling against and how easy this would be to manufacture.

If I were sittiing in Blofeld's chair, stroking my white cat and plotting SPECTRE's world domination and wished to associate 9/11 TM with anti-semiticism, I would infiltrate both 'sides' within the 9/11 movement and set them off against each other. And both sides would have elements of truth to support their cause, so much the better to ferment the arguments and divisions

In my mind, Blofeld and the PTB want you to stumble across the evidence that many prominent people in the MSM are jewish, that Isreali connected firms wrote the software that 'controls' the US, that there is an Isreali connection to 9/11 and even that prominent 9/11 truth campaigners have suspicious Isreali/zionist connections and refuse to discuss the 9/11-Israel connection, etc, etc and put all this together and conclude that Isreal/the zionists/the jews run the world and to make this the focus of the 'big picture' message of 9/11 truth.

They know that any message that concludes or can be portrayed by their MSM lackies as concluding 'the jews run the world' will automatically be dismissed (and quite rightly so) as racist nonsense by the general public and so another 'conspiracy theory' gets forgotten and marginalised. This is the game they play and they have been playing it a very long time, long before zionism reared its ugly head.

[Justin]

Spot on Ian, couldn't have said it better myself!

[Bowery Boy]

Isreali?

[Solomon]

First of all, I haven't mentioned zionism, anti-semiticism, racism or fascism: they are
your words not mine. I am merely trying to point out the FACT that a vast proportion of
the Western media is controlled by one "nationality" of people, whether they be Jews,
Arabs or Eskimo's the same principle applies: it is decidedly unhealthy for the masses to
be heavily influenced by the same "nationality" of people who, one would presume, hold
a distinctly similar set of values. Are you suggesting that the FACT that this "nationality"
happens to be Jewish is precisely why we shouldn't mention it? How ridiculous!
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[ian neal]

No Solomon

You have misunderstood me. I have no problem with anyone discussing anything on this thread or about the Israeli connections to 9/11 and the PTB in general. Mention Jewish influence in the US media all you want.

My observations are about the conclusions some people draw on the back of this evidence and the attempted division of the 9/11 TM into 'zionist deniers' and non-'zionist deniers' camps around Eric H attack on the Loose Change people and how this plays into the hands of the PTB

I certainly wasn't saying you were being racist or whatever

Best wishes

Ian

[paul wright]

I agree absolutely with Ian on this one
It's a sore point that has been raised a number of times and we dont want to do it
Zionism and Jews, unless it's related to the very real atrocities and staged terrorism going on in Israel and Palestine,we just dont need to do it
Hamas is a Sharon-created network and now government, and we now have a perfect involvement of opposames
Nuff said

[ian neal]

Given that this issue is being kicked up in the US by for example articles like this one by Victor Thorn, I suggest that it is neither possible nor desireable to censor 'ourselves'. I certainly don't 'refuse to examine Israel’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks' as Victor Thorn charges so many prominent campaigners of. We should discuss it

What I am saying is that IMO Israel is but a part of a bigger jigsaw and that the answer to Victor Thorn's question of who does not start and finish with Israel and that this attempted division between 'zionist deniers' and non 'zionist deniers' is a false one that only serves the PTB.

If people within the movement have hard evidence that someone is not to be trusted or is not what they say they are, let them present it, but 'refuses to examine Israel’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks' does not mean someone is an intentional 'disinformationist'/shill, etc., atleast in my book. At the same time the response should not be to duck the issue and all honest campaigners in my opinion should acknowledge that there is evidence of an Israeli connection

We probably just need to understand the tactic of 'opposames' better

[scar]

Agreed.
Im aware that i talk people down a bit on this issue and i will curb it, but Im also aware of the damage over-focus could cause (esp without evidence) because of the control of the propaganda machinery...
They have a role in all this, no doubt, and when people focus on evidence thats fine by me. Dunno if that made sense ive been awake over 40 hours now...
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