Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: CIA 'rendition' plane crashes with cocaine cargo
The 'war against drugs' was only a cover for making money to support illegal wars. It used to be hidden under the Iran-Contra affair now it has gone mainstream.
The politicians who continue to support the war in Afghanistan are probably being paid by drug dealers into offshore bank accounts.
There is no war on terror in Afghanistan. Its just drug dealing under the guise of fighting 'terrorists'.
Its funny we have an 'anti-war' movement yet not once did it ever say 'Stop the war in Afghanistan' 'Stop Drug Dealing'
We had the Malvinas war in the early 1980's but we didn't have 25 odd teenagers being shot with the average age of 16 on London streets in the space of 3 months.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: CIA 'rendition' plane crashes with cocaine cargo
CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE
by redstatehatemonitor
Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 04:21:00 PM PST
This Florida based Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA crash landed on September 24, 2007 after it ran out of fuel over Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula it had a cargo of several tons of Cocaine on board now documents have turned up on both sides of the Atlantic that link this Cocaine Smuggling Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA that crashed in Mexico to the CIA who used it on at least 3 rendition flights from Europe and the USA to Guantanamo's infamous torture chambers between 2003 to 2005.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/12/19210/608
It has received scant coverage in the English speaking world but there is an interesting news story coming out of Mexico. Back in September a Florida based Gulfstream II jet aircraft with the tail marking # N987SA crashed on the Yucatan peninsular. The wreckage contained almost 4 tons of cocaine!
Now that in itself is not news, just another drug runner bites the dust. But, this same plane, or at least a similar one with identical tail markings of # N987SA is also linked to at least 3 flights from the US and Europe to the CIA’s pleasure palace at Guantanamo Bay.
The plane was owned by a shell corporation S/A Holdings LLC, which looks suspiciously like a CIA fronted operation. There is not much information available about S/A Holdings LLC, which is strange for a company that operates a fleet of multi million dollar business jets like these. This would not be the first time that the CIA has entered into private enterprise in the aviation world, although you would have thought that with the furor surrounding the infamous Air America they would not try this trick twice.
The question I have is, why have the main stream media not picked this story up? Has it been swept under the rug? Although the crash and the contraband were not on US soil, one would have thought that the authorities would be asking some searching questions of Florida based S/A Holdings LLC.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:34 am Post subject:
N987SA (AKA Cocaine Two or The Cancun Cocaine Express).
The following is an essay in progress which started out as an email message:
Why are the two planes nabbed in Mexico with a total of ~10tons of cocaine on board traceable to people associated with the sitting president? Check out this surreal chain of connections. What do planes loaded with tons of cocaine, Russian mobsters, New York Realtors, a Florida flight school, CIA rendition flights and the Mena Arkansas Intermountain Municipal Airport have to do with 9/11 and the assassination of JFK Sr.? I've checked and double checked every significant fact, and it checks out.
This stuff makes my head spin. They take plausible denial to new elevations. It looks as though we are dealing with imported Russian Mafia, among other things.
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http://www.madcowprod.com/10292007.html
"Stephen Adams was in business with Miami attorney Michael Farkas, who founded SkyWay Aircraft, which owned the DC9 busted in Mexico 18 months ago with 5.5 tons of cocaine aboard.
"Moreover at the same time the Bush Ranger extraordinaire Stephen Adams owned the Gulfstream (N987SA) in 1999 and 2000, he was personally buying over $1 million of billboard ads for George W. Bush for his 2000 Presidential election bid."
This Michael D. Farkas character has ties to the Israel Far Right and the Mossad.
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http://www.madcowprod.com/08082006.html
"Michael Farkas' connections to right wing Israeli political parties, and to Israeli Mossad, have already been ably covered by others. Farkas was listed in 2005 as president of Manhigut USA. This is the US branch of the Israeli Manhigut Yehudit, involved in fundraising for the radical settlers who were trying to resist the Gaza withdrawal"
So N987SA appears to have been owned by William Achenbaum, (and then his son Michael) who employed Arik Kislin's Air Rutter International to operate it. Kislin and Achenbaum are co-owners of the Hotel Gansevoort in New York. Kislin's uncle Semyon (Sam) Kislin[1] is allegedly a top Russian Mafioso and, in New York, a respected commodities trader and big contributor to the Unite Jewish Appeal (of which Larry Silverstein and Lewis M. Eisenberg are, or were board members.)
Prior to being owned by Achenbaum, N987SA had been owned by Bush Super Ranger Stephen Adams who is a partner in one of the ventures of Michael D. Farkas. Farkas was the founder of Skyway Holdings and part owner of N900SA which was busted in Mexico with a mere 5.5 tons of cocaine on board in the spring of 2006. Another part owner of N900SA was Frederic Geffon who owns (or fronts) Royal Sons LLC which once shared an address with Huffman Aviation. Huffman Aviation is the notorious "terrorist flight school" where Mohammed Atta allegedly trained for the terrorist attacks.
Worthy of note is the fact that both N987SA and N900SA were used in "rendition flights" at some time. Now, I don't have to stress the political and diplomatic ramifications of having Jewish mobsters directly involved in torturing Muslim prisoners under the auspices of the USofA.
Another principal in Skyway was one James R. Bath who has been a friend and business associate of George W. Bush since his Arbusto days. Bath supposedly arranged the bin Laden investments into Arbusto. Now Dubya used to fly around Texas in N6308F which was the infamous CIA drug runner, AdlerBerriman Seal's best plane. Seal was part of the Mena Arkansas drug running operation conducted under the protective eye of then Governor William Jefferson Clinton. Clinton's wife, Hillary was, of course, busy doing the laundry while Bill was shoveling snow. There are multiple, credible, eyewitness accounts attesting to Poppy Bush having full knowledge and involvement in these crimes.
The curious thing about Adler Berriman (Barry) Seal is that he was a member of the same Louisiana Civil Air Patrol cadet squadron, at the same time as the falsely accused JFK assassination suspect Lee Harvey Oswald. Oh, and Poppy was in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: CIA Rendition Flights and Cocaine Smuggling
I would like to see some actual meat hung onto this story, which at the moment is just a collection of vague connections that go nowhere in particular - it's like the Kevin Bacon game except trying to tie in these drug planes with the CIA and George Bush. If some actual evidence could be produced that the planes were used by the CIA (for example) then I would attempt to get the story published in a mainstream newspaper myself.
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:09 am Post subject:
The connections between Farkas and Skyway are pretty irrefutable. It's recorded in SEC filings. The flights to Guantanamo are also a matter of public record. Quite frankly, this entire epoch is so bizarre that it took me a lot of exposure and cross checking to convince myself that the accounts have merit.
N900SA
If you are unfamiliar with Amanda Keller's story of her relationship with alleged terrorist hijacker, Mohamed Atta.
Sorry about the static in this video. You may want to turn down your volume before starting it. It's worth watching if you are unfamiliar with the topic of drug-running intelligence agencies, and particularly with the help of alleged suicide hijackers.
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:23 am Post subject:
Playing Devil's Advocate with the story, I would say that the weakness is that even if you could prove that the plane was used for CIA flights in 2003-5, the owners of the plane at the time were Skyway which then went bankrupt. It doesn't prove there is any continuing relationship between the plane now and the CIA or gvmt. There is nothing to it imo, that's why no media orgs have touched it.
Your faith in the media and the authorities to tell the truth and not to cover-up their crimes is touching but naive. Which probably expalins your lack of scepticism about the authorities accounts of 9/11. Bless
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject:
ian neal wrote:
Your faith in the media and the authorities to tell the truth and not to cover-up their crimes is touching but naive. Which probably expalins your lack of scepticism about the authorities accounts of 9/11. Bless
Scepticism shouldn't make us any less demanding in terms of finding genuine evidence - in this case I'm just not sure there is any.
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject:
I haven’t followed the details of this story. I’ve just noted that the world of Daily Kos has fully switched on to the idea of the CIA being a mass dealer of drugs.
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:27 am Post subject:
Alex_V wrote:
ian neal wrote:
Your faith in the media and the authorities to tell the truth and not to cover-up their crimes is touching but naive. Which probably expalins your lack of scepticism about the authorities accounts of 9/11. Bless
Scepticism shouldn't make us any less demanding in terms of finding genuine evidence - in this case I'm just not sure there is any.
Evidence of what? The planes made trips to Guantanamo. The planes were discovered to have tons of cocaine on board. The planes were once owned by Republican insiders who have connections to Michael D. Farkas and George W. Bush. The ownership of the planes has clearly been obscured by paperwork shenanigans. The CIA has a long and established history of participating in large-scale drug running.
That's enough to warrant MSM coverage. There is always the Gary Webb factor, however.
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject:
..................Some U.S. media have reported that the Gulfstream II jet that crashed in Mexico in September is suspected of possible links to the CIA’s terrorist rendition program and that the aircraft made several trips to Guantanamo Bay in years past — prior to being enlisted as a cocaine transport plane.
The Gulfstream II with tail number N987SA, one month before it crashed in the Yucatán peninsula. Photo D.R. 2007 George N. Dean, Airliners.net
Confirming that information independently has proven difficult, but Narco News did find a report from a British government agency that lists the Gulfstream II’s registration number (N987SA) among the aircraft registration numbers European investigators were interested in obtaining more information about in relation to a probe into CIA rendition flights.
Information on N987SA — along with a number of other jets — was released to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe in June 2006 by Britain’s Department of Transport.
From the British agency’s Web site:
On 7 April the Government published flight plan data received from Eurocontrol, the European Organization for the Safety of Air Navigation, concerning the movement of certain US aircraft into or out of UK aerodromes since 1 January 2001. This data had previously been released by Eurocontrol to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe to assist with its enquiry into allegations of “extraordinary rendition” flights operating within Europe. It provided information on the aircraft’s type, registration number, date and time of flight, point of origin and destination and recorded user’s name. It did not however contain information about any passengers on board or the purpose of the flight.
Since the disclosure of that initial flight plan data, the Council of Europe’s enquiry broadened to include investigations into a number of additional US registered aircraft. Further flight plan information was therefore sought from Eurocontrol concerning the movement of these newly identified aircraft to and from European aerodromes….
Attorney Mark Conrad, a former high-level supervisory Customs agent who has an extensive background in the intelligence world, has no problem entertaining a CIA scenario in the Gulfstream II narco-world saga. Though he stresses that he has no knowledge of the Mayan Express operation, Conrad says based on its description, he suspects the CIA could even be running the show.
Conrad says in recent years, ICE’s investigative talent has defected in droves from the agency due to Homeland Security’s obsessive focus on what he describes as a “snatch and grab” mission targeting undocumented immigrants.
As a result, he told Narco News:
It [the Mayan Express] makes no sense and it makes perfect sense. There probably aren’t six people left at ICE who could put an operation like this together. It could well be a CIA operation working under ICE cover.
Conrad says such a “cover” approach is not a crazy conspiracy theory. He adds that when he was with U.S. Customs — which has since become part of ICE — the CIA placed one of its agents in Japan with Customs credentials as a cover.
Scepticism shouldn't make us any less demanding in terms of finding genuine evidence - in this case I'm just not sure there is any.
Not sure what scepticism has to do with genuine, hard evidence but could I entreat you to don sunglasses and go spend a couple of weeks combing through:-
On this site you will find its originator, Al Giordano, detailing the clear evidence linking Colombian cartels with Banamex with Citigroup with CIA (CocaineImportAgency) with Washington (aWashincoketown).
None of this hard evidence has ever been refuted by any federal agency. Then there's Mike Ruppert's much-publicised head on with the CIA over this very same matter. Then, amongst many others, there's Tarpley's deep research into the Bushes and Synthetic Terrorism.
Take your pick but please, cast the mote out of thine eye...
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There is an opening to a 1990s song (L=Sd2) by Ship Of Fools that speaks of God talking to Gabriel '...and send some of that acid stuff they've been working on, and have the CIA distribute it' I presumed it was from a film, anyone know??
Hehe don't worry I'll ask the band and post any reply
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject:
Alulim wrote:
Alex_V wrote:
ian neal wrote:
Your faith in the media and the authorities to tell the truth and not to cover-up their crimes is touching but naive. Which probably expalins your lack of scepticism about the authorities accounts of 9/11. Bless
Scepticism shouldn't make us any less demanding in terms of finding genuine evidence - in this case I'm just not sure there is any.
Evidence of what? The planes made trips to Guantanamo.
Evidence of this? That the planes made flights to Guantanemo?
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The planes were discovered to have tons of cocaine on board.
The planes were once owned by Republican insiders who have connections to Michael D. Farkas and George W. Bush.
This is where it gets problematic - the key here is 'once-owned'. I might rob a bank using a car once-owned by Elvis, but that doesn't implicate him in the robbery. This is where the story is spectacularly weak - owners and previous owners with very vague connections with politics and politicians.
I should also add that ownership does not necessarily mean that the owners are directly guilty of the crimes committed with their property, any more than American Airlines are guilty of 9/11.
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The ownership of the planes has clearly been obscured by paperwork shenanigans.
This is a roundabout way of saying that you can prove nothing. Who owned the planes when - let's have a clear breakdown of this before we start throwing accusations around.
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The CIA has a long and established history of participating in large-scale drug running.
Doesn't really help us build a case though does it. I can understand why everyone wants to believe it's true (heck even I do), but to actually make a case that holds any water it needs actual evidence. This story is totally built upon insinuation.
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That's enough to warrant MSM coverage.
Sorry, you are completely wrong about that. As I say, find any actual provable fact about the case and we might have a start.
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There is always the Gary Webb factor, however.
Possibly. The Gary Webb example does not therefore prove that every rumour about the CIA and drug-running is true. For a start, as I understand it Webb never claimed the CIA ran drug-running, he only claimed that they might have turned a blind-eye to some of it because it suited their interests in Nicaragua.
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:31 am Post subject:
This post is nothing more than an attempt to discredit hard work already achieved by thorough research. What is it doing here?
Alex_V wrote:
Alulim wrote:
Alex_V wrote:
ian neal wrote:
Your faith in the media and the authorities to tell the truth and not to cover-up their crimes is touching but naive. Which probably expalins your lack of scepticism about the authorities accounts of 9/11. Bless
Scepticism shouldn't make us any less demanding in terms of finding genuine evidence - in this case I'm just not sure there is any.
Evidence of what? The planes made trips to Guantanamo.
Evidence of this? That the planes made flights to Guantanemo?
Quote:
The planes were discovered to have tons of cocaine on board.
The planes were once owned by Republican insiders who have connections to Michael D. Farkas and George W. Bush.
This is where it gets problematic - the key here is 'once-owned'. I might rob a bank using a car once-owned by Elvis, but that doesn't implicate him in the robbery. This is where the story is spectacularly weak - owners and previous owners with very vague connections with politics and politicians.
I should also add that ownership does not necessarily mean that the owners are directly guilty of the crimes committed with their property, any more than American Airlines are guilty of 9/11.
Quote:
The ownership of the planes has clearly been obscured by paperwork shenanigans.
This is a roundabout way of saying that you can prove nothing. Who owned the planes when - let's have a clear breakdown of this before we start throwing accusations around.
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The CIA has a long and established history of participating in large-scale drug running.
Doesn't really help us build a case though does it. I can understand why everyone wants to believe it's true (heck even I do), but to actually make a case that holds any water it needs actual evidence. This story is totally built upon insinuation.
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That's enough to warrant MSM coverage.
Sorry, you are completely wrong about that. As I say, find any actual provable fact about the case and we might have a start.
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There is always the Gary Webb factor, however.
Possibly. The Gary Webb example does not therefore prove that every rumour about the CIA and drug-running is true. For a start, as I understand it Webb never claimed the CIA ran drug-running, he only claimed that they might have turned a blind-eye to some of it because it suited their interests in Nicaragua.
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:43 am Post subject:
ian neal wrote:
Alex
Feel free to start a discussion of this in critics corner, but don't post outside of CC please
I'm disappointed in the last two posts in this thread, but I will retreat to critics corner from now on.
But there is no need for me to post about this in critics corner, because my intent was not to criticise anything that has been posted so far, but simply clarify what actual evidence we have in this case. My belief is that what holds this story back from being in the mainstream media is a lack of clarity in the evidence. This may well be a smoking gun that can blow the lid on a web of corruption, but without an honest and reasonable approach to the collection of evidence it cannot progress. A pity...
The press have absolutely no problem covering stories like this if they want to. They just have to state the known facts both on this case and on previous CIA involvement in drug trafficing and then consider the possibility or make the suggestion that this may implicate the CIA in drug running. Follow it up with a series of questions that investigators are asking etc. They don't have come straight out and claim the CIA have been caught red handed
Here's an example of an article looking at the outrageous suggestion that Clinton was involved in cocaine smuggling
A plane the CIA used to transport terror suspects to Guantamano crashed
in Mexico. On board: 4 TONS of cocaine. The pilot: a frequent contract aviator for the CIA, DEA, and FBI. But no worries for Bush & Co. The US news media is censoring the story.
The planes were discovered to have tons of cocaine on board.
The planes were once owned by Republican insiders who have connections to Michael D. Farkas and George W. Bush.
This is where it gets problematic - the key here is 'once-owned'. I might rob a bank using a car once-owned by Elvis, but that doesn't implicate him in the robbery. This is where the story is spectacularly weak - owners and previous owners with very vague connections with politics and politicians.
Michael D. Farkas's connections to Radical Zionism are not vague. The connection to the Bush mob are substantial in the bigger picture. You really need to look at the bigger picture in order to understand that there is a pattern to all of this. I agree that I have not conclusively connected every piece together. Nonetheless, I have provided a great deal of circumstantial evidence. A sufficient amount to justify the charge that the MSM is willfully negligent regarding these massive crimes.
Alex_V wrote:
I should also add that ownership does not necessarily mean that the owners are directly guilty of the crimes committed with their property, any more than American Airlines are guilty of 9/11.
But when you have multiple bank roberies, and all the getaway cars turn out to have been owned by certain individuals who appear to be associated, then you have to suspect something is afoot.
Alex_V wrote:
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The ownership of the planes has clearly been obscured by paperwork shenanigans.
This is a roundabout way of saying that you can prove nothing. Who owned the planes when - let's have a clear breakdown of this before we start throwing accusations around.
No. It is a round about way of saying: The ownership of the planes has clearly been obscured by paperwork shenanigans. IOW, the ownership has intentionally been obscured by rapid successions of ownership by PO Box companies.
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The CIA has a long and established history of participating in large-scale drug running.
Alex_V wrote:
Doesn't really help us build a case though does it. I can understand why everyone wants to believe it's true (heck even I do), but to actually make a case that holds any water it needs actual evidence. This story is totally built upon insinuation.
What story is totally build on insinuation? The connections stated are tangible. There are some missing pieces, but there is more than enough to demonstrate a patter of high-level corruption well beyond what most people imagine exists.
Alex_V wrote:
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That's enough to warrant MSM coverage.
Sorry, you are completely wrong about that. As I say, find any actual provable fact about the case and we might have a start.
Nonsense. The very fact that the planes were seized warrants MSM coverage. Do you also believe the seizure of Hilliard's Lear Jet is unworthy of MSM coverage?
Alex_V wrote:
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There is always the Gary Webb factor, however.
Possibly. The Gary Webb example does not therefore prove that every rumour about the CIA and drug-running is true. For a start, as I understand it Webb never claimed the CIA ran drug-running, he only claimed that they might have turned a blind-eye to some of it because it suited their interests in Nicaragua.
I believe he said a whole lot more than that. Nonetheless, there are many others who have attested to firsthand knowledge of CIA drug-running operations. The idea that they were importing drugs to fund the Contras is ridiculous. The contra could have become a regional superpower with the amount of money generated by the tons of blow flown into the US.
The point about Webb is that he had two bullet wounds through the brain stem, and his death was ruled a suicide.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject:
Note that John Deutsch who took the grilling from Mike Ruppert in the video posted immediately above also coauthored a conspicuous paper with Philip Zelikow called Catastrophic Terrorism: Elements of a National Policy. More information is available at: Zelikow's Terrorist Credentials
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject:
Has reminded me of the value of sites like NarcoNews this story
Nice video about this crazy incident (is it disinfo or is it God's gift to the 911 Truth movement) using a bit from a film and followed by a mocked up news report
CIA Rendition Plane Crashed in Mexico transporting 4 Tons of Cocaine
I don't know what the video of a shoot-down is supposed to be. I see no evidence of fire at the crash site of N987SA, but there is a fireball in that video.
I don't know what the video of a shoot-down is supposed to be. I see no evidence of fire at the crash site of N987SA, but there is a fireball in that video.
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:40 am Post subject:
My point with the Spanish language video is that it makes the story seem far more tangible. It had been suggested that this might have been a decoy event.
My statement about the shoot-down video was misplaced. I had just watched a video with a similar looking still
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:57 am Post subject:
One thing should be made clear. Adler Berriman (Barry) Seal had been connected with the CIA since he and fellow Louisiana Civil Air Patrol Cadet, Lee Harvey Oswald were kids.
Bill Clinton and the Mena Arkansas cocaine smuggling operations.
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