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| rodin wrote: | | Quote: | | In post WW 1, and with its capitalist corporations now largely under the control of its eastern ‘white anglo-saxon protestants’ (or WASP’s) - such as the Rockefellers, Harrimans, Vanderbilts, Bushes - et al. - and in view of the fact that the Bolsheviks were now in power in Russia, it is thus not surprising that said A,merican corporations would soon be financing those anti-communist German Nazis, resulting in Hitler becoming Chancellor. (Keep in mind that in WASP circles at that time a Jew was a derogatory ‘yid’!) |
Yes but Bolshevism was a Jewish operation. Were Marx Engels Lenin Stalin etc Zionists or Judaists? From what I read they were atheistic Jews, (Stalin there is some silly contention about, but the names, consorts and colleagues give it away to the sentient investigator) and were sponsored by Rothschild. Therefore I would place them in Zionist camp.
Some contrarians (and anti commies which lets face it everyone should be) cite Hitler as a bastion of freedom - a challenge to International Jewry and their money system - and so had to be destroyed. But if this was the case, why would Jewish Wall St back him to the hilt?
Having decoded much of the matrix, this paradox still slightly baffles me. |
In fact the only figure specifically from a Jewish family is Marx and, as noted, he was an atheist: Unless you're into Nazi inspired eugenic nonsense about 'racial bloodlines', it's not in any way meaningful to call him a Jew. None of the others were Jewish, though I grant you Lenin would have had trouble getting into the SS being 1/4 Jewish.
| Quote: | | Stalin there is some silly contention about, but the names, consorts and colleagues give it away to the sentient investigator) |
The contention rests on the fact there is zero actual evidence Stalin was Jewish. The best you've got is that his surname allegedly means 'Jewson' - to suggest this means he's therefore Jewish is ludicrous beyond belief - and the fact he shagged some Jewish women. I didn't realise you could contract Judaism through sex, but there you go. You just need Stalin to be Jewish to make your belief system work. Stalin's own persecution of Jews goes down the memory hole as it doesn't compute with the mind bogglingly simplistic (not to mention erroneous) level of historical analysis entailed by Bolshevism=Jews.
How can anyone think Hitler was some kind of "bastion of freedom"?
Ok, I realise some people think it's cool to pretend the Holocaust didn't happen, but even that aside Hitler quite unambiguously persecuted a range of people, planned to deliberately starve millions of Russians, exterminated thousands of mentally ill/disabled people, turfed God knows how many of Poles out of their homes, put thousands of political opponents in brutal concentration camps etc.
The entire foundation of the National Socialist state was gleichshaltung - the coordination of society with the individual as a cog in the state machine, individual rights irrelevant to the service of National Socialism. The Nazis themselves unequivocally thought individual personal freedom was a bad thing. Still, I'm sure that's just dandy if you favour a man with a bad moustache telling you want to do and think day in day out.
It's futile to try to suggest to you Wall Street isn't “Jewish” in the same way it's futile to argue about the bible with an evangelist, but I don't really know why people think it's some big deal big business backed Hitler. Why wouldn't it?
I realise you've started a "was Hitler really a good guy?" thread over at the GoldisMoney forum, but it's clear many of the posters over there don't know a fat lot about the third reich. Ironic that those there that rail against the flouting of the American Constitution seem not to have too much of a problem with the guy that gave to Germany the constitution bypassing Enabling Law. Mind you, the blatant racism of the Nuremburg Laws is another inconvenient piece of history that is consigned to the memory hole too.
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I haven't watched much, but the bit I have is just some old duffer going on with himself. Does it improve? But considering Eustace Mullins works for the fascist rag Barnes review and is an associate of notorious far right clown Willis Carto, I daresay I'd struggle to take him seriously.
Have you read Mullins 'book', the biological Jew? It contains such stirring passages as:
| Quote: | | One of the specialized modifications of the Jew is his ability to such the blood of the gentile host without alarming his victim, weakening it without being discovered, through the highly sophisticated and refined instruments and techniques which the Jew has developed over a period of centuries for these specific purposes, and which have no counterpart in any other species. In view of these techniques, need we be surprised that some of the gentiles who have been most weakened by the blood-lettings of the Jew are among his most vociferous defenders, and who will fight to the death to protect their Jewish “benefactors”. They are totally unable to recognize their danger, or the insidious nature of the parasitic attack. |
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When one contemplates the spectacle of a great hall, filled with well-dressed and well-educated men and women from many countries, who are listening intently, and occasionally applauding, a little Jew in a tuxedo who is delivering a learned dissertation upon the anal and excretory habits of mankind, we realize yet another aspect of the Jew. No matter what he does, the Jew is so fantastic that he becomes a comic figure. When the former Premier of France, Mendes-France, announced that his nation was surrendering the huge French investment in Vietnam to the Communists, one hardly knew whether to laugh or cry, so comic was the bulging-eyed black-jowled image of a rag merchant howling “O-o-o-l-l-d-d-r-a-a-a-a-g-g-z-z-uh” through the streets.
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| Quote: | Throughout nature, the parasite seeks a host. The host tries to dislodge him. If he succeeds, the parasite soon returns. The Jews have been expelled from European nations hundreds of times, yet they are there today. Each time the parasite is cast out, he learns a lesson, he will improve his hold the next time. He learns to anticipate and control the reactions of the host, and as he turns their nations into vast, shabby prisons, he affects their most fundamental impulses and warps their entire existence.
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Even though, our resident Zionist shill is not in favour.......
Please spare 1 hour + 39 minutes....
Eustace Mullins presents: The World Order...
Interesting.....knows his Economics.
Enjoy......?/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7644857907453201814 |
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I watched chunks and I can't say I was impressed. Though the bit about the 1943 Reader's Digest was very funny. I have only looked at chunks of the youtube rebuttal and the various entries on the Holocaust controversies blog too.
Thanks for the invite, but I just don't have the time or the energy to get into devoted Holocaust online debating. Besides, I still don't know the subject anywhere near as much as I should. But if was going to join any site, I personally think RODOH is way preferable.
I'm sure Andrew Mathis would have his own opinion but I am confused as to why you say I "often refer" to his "articles" - I can't remember ever specifically citing the guy and have only read some stuff he's written on forums, though maybe I've cited stuff off HHP without noticing he wrote it or something. Indeed, I only just discovered this site -
http://codoh.blogspot.com/
which I shall peruse at some point.
Oh - and I know it's early, but I'll be off to crack open the port and put me feet up soon, so a Merry Crimbo one and all.
And I hope Blackbear had a happy Chanukah.
Tony - what's wrong with my comments about Mullins? Why shouldn't I point out the guy is a Nazi? People merrily accuse the likes of Steven Jones of all kinds on very tenuous grounds, but I'll happily link to an online copy of the biological jew which he clearly wrote if you like. It's clearly relevant as Mullins makes a number of unevidenced historical statements which fit with such a belief system.
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Funny that you seem to have plenty of time and energy to refute HDers on this forum (where you think you can get the better of them?) but no time to put your view across at the CODOH forum(where you know there are people who will make mincemeat of your points.
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| Alexander wrote: | Funny that you seem to have plenty of time and energy to refute HDers on this forum (where you think you can get the better of them?) but no time to put your view across at the CODOH forum(where you know there are people who will make mincemeat of your points.
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Not really - I argue about a whole range of subjects here, but rarely post anywhere else. I wouldn't even discuss the subject if other people didn't bring it up. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about it. Jews this, Holocaust that - *yawn*. You apparently joined here a month ago just to wait to leap in droning on about CODOH on a non Holocaust related thread where I just mentioned it in passing in a post about Hitler - then on your second post here apparently feel I need to justify why I don't wish to do your bidding. Well pardon me, master - is there any other forum you'd like me to join?
Great - someone else preoccupied with banging on about Holocaust Denial. Just what this forum needs.
I know it takes two to tango and I bring it on myself by not just ignoring all the Jew/Holocaust stuff, but then I've never been able to resist having a chat with Jehovah's Witnesses either and I think it's a darn shame if this forum ends up looking like some kind of Stormfront clone.
By your logic, you may as well say any truther who posts here should also be posting at JREF else that means they're scared the reffers will best them. Would you say that's the case?
Though I would certainly like to think the CODOH crowd would represent a more sophisticated brand of Holocaust Denial than the tired old nonsense that tends to get churned up round here, like I said, if I was that arsed I would join RODOH which at least hosts proper debate (CODOH has dumb posting rules beyond the allegations of mod bias and censorship). If you're that arsed yourself, why aren't you off over at RODOH 'trouncing' Andrew Mathis instead of pestering me?
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| Tony Gosling wrote: | | I'll consider splitting all such posts off into the dustbin - what do serious posters and mods think? |
Maybe the most pragmatic approach would be to set a rule that the discussion of the holocaust should be confined to somewhere like other controversies.
Perhaps then, if properly enforced, other discussions could take place elsewhere about related entities without losing your digger. 
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| rodin wrote: | | Quote: | | In post WW 1, and with its capitalist corporations now largely under the control of its eastern ‘white anglo-saxon protestants’ (or WASP’s) - such as the Rockefellers, Harrimans, Vanderbilts, Bushes - et al. - and in view of the fact that the Bolsheviks were now in power in Russia, it is thus not surprising that said A,merican corporations would soon be financing those anti-communist German Nazis, resulting in Hitler becoming Chancellor. (Keep in mind that in WASP circles at that time a Jew was a derogatory ‘yid’!) |
Yes but Bolshevism was a Jewish operation. Were Marx Engels Lenin Stalin etc Zionists or Judaists? From what I read they were atheistic Jews, (Stalin there is some silly contention about, but the names, consorts and colleagues give it away to the sentient investigator) and were sponsored by Rothschild. Therefore I would place them in Zionist camp.
Some contrarians (and anti commies which lets face it everyone should be) cite Hitler as a bastion of freedom - a challenge to International Jewry and their money system - and so had to be destroyed. But if this was the case, why would Jewish Wall St back him to the hilt?
Having decoded much of the matrix, this paradox still slightly baffles me. |
I believe rodin's post above first sent us away from discussing current events and the latest 'roadmap'. From there it was always a short hop skip and a jump back to the holocaust.
Just to pick up a couple of things.
The current usuary money system and Wall Street are not jewish per se. Faith is irrelevent to both.
The reason Wall St backed Hitler is IMO the same reason banks are so often willing to finance and arm both sides in so many conflicts. Recent examples include the west's arming of saddam, bin laden and iran. It builds up the 'bogey man' just enough to justify a 'proper' war where the forces of 'democracy and freedom' can ride to the rescue and vanquish the evil tyrrant that they put in power in the first place. Wars might be v bad for most us but for the chickenhawks in the military-industrial-banking complex war is money simple as that.
Now back to the holocaust. Personally I would love to see the subject dropped permanently but would be loathed to force this. So failing that I will keep asking those that think it is important this question
| Quote: | | Why do you think any of this matters today? What is your strategy or motivation in placing so much emphaisis on the holocaust? |
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=99622
Or alternatively we could drop the whole thing and return to current day zionist war crimes and human rights abuses |
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What I want to know is why Wall St backed the 'nemesis of the Jews', and also his apparent arch-enemy Stalin.
If it was a simple case of wealthy people getting even richer by profiting from death, war debt, arms sales and the like,
well you can make a case for amoral profiteering.
My thread 'was Hitler really a good guy?' was a question designed to get debate going, because the simplistic profit motive
is insufficient to explain this remarkable chapter in History.
Some things are promoted on this site that I think are patently not true.
1) Communism not a Jewish plot. Ridiculous!
http://www.russians.org/communist.html
2) Banks are not primarily Jewish. Wrong!
| Quote: | But unlike its great competitor, Rothschild, and most other merchant banking houses,
Barings was not owned by a Jewish family |
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CEED6153DF935A35750C 0A963958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
Note : Now many banks are shareholder owned, muddying the waters. But not the central banks.
If/When the non-central banks have been destroyed in the coming pre NWO bankruptcy depression you now know why.
Rothschild and Rockenfelder are major shareholders in central banks, also Warburgs etc. Their 'shares' are privately held and stay in the family.
So again I ask - WHY DID JEWS FINANCE HITLER??? As well as declaring war on him
Daily Express front page from 1933 (large image)
http://litek.ws/k0nsl/detox/graphs/judea_declares_war_on_germany.jpg
Tony - you re-posted a graphic showing who controls the mass media - who are obviously a mortal enemy of truth.
Who here is not afraid to call out what they see? Who will shilly-shally with the fraud of political correctness?
This is not a time for temerity.
And just in case there is any doubt here - I am no racist or supremacist.
I am of the opinion that most people in all belief systems have been deluded by an elite clique.
Right now the elite clique happen to find the Talmud provides justification for their actions and intentions.
Don't forget - there are Jews helping to lead us out of this mess too. Do not let them down. Face facts.
Of course, I think anyone with a belief system that involves miracles and occult practices is deluded by atheist Pharisees.
Nevertheless, Man or Myth, Jesus set out a fine example of how to behave.
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You'll never find the answer to your question because you're stuck in the realm of wanting a simple answer to your simplistic conspiracy theory.
For example. You declare "The Jews" declared war on Germany by brandishing an oft cited tabloid headline. It's like using the sun's coverage of 911 as evidence for the OT. The reality is, Jewish groups were deeply divided on how to react to Hitler's coming to power - some wanted a boycott, some didn't. German Jews were particularly concerned as they were worried it was them that had to take the backlash. Many non-Jews on the left were up for a boycott too. The Nazis had been making their anti-semitic views clear and perpetrating various unsavoury acts upon Jews for years, so it's really not surprising Jews tended to be rather unhappy about Hitler getting to power. The Central Union of German Citizens of the Jewish Faith had been collating this stuff for years (not to mention your article talks about "a campaign of violence and suppression" against Jews), as well as making futile attempts to make the Weimar regime to sit up and listen. "The Jews" didn't all get together in a big room and decide to have a boycott, but if you think tabloid newspapers are the best source of information, that's up to you.
Similarly, you rely on some website giving you evidence-free, context-free soundbites about what various people supposedly said. For example, to take the first, Arno Mayer presented a (highly controversial) theory that the Germans were more preoccupied with the left than the Jews. But he simply describes the Nazi belief that Jews were invariably communists, he doesn't endorse it as your website appears to try to hint in the usual deceptive way oh-so-familiar with this stuff. I could comment on some of the others, but I won't.
Everyone knows the Nazis thought Judaism and communism were inextricably linked (except when the Jews were being capitalists, in which case the Jews suddenly become evil corporate monsters) - as did some other people. Plenty of people think Al Qaeda present an extraordinary threat to the UK, and simply digging out a bunch of quotes from such people in sixty years time won't make it more true.
Furthermore, pointing to a bunch of Bolsheviks who happened to be Jews just demonstrates some Jews were Bolsheviks. I don't know how true it is which of them were actually Jews anyway - I doubt you even care.
As usual, the actual complex evolution of 'communism' goes down the memory hole. Only Karl Marx matters. Because he can be said to be Jewish.
Then to cap it all, you take a single line from a newspaper article.
But it doesn't matter if banks are run by Jews, Quakers or Seventh Day Adventists. They're business. You want to pin everything on some mystery cabal of Jews, but seem totally unable to accept that business wants to make money and will do it every way it can. "The Jews" didn't finance Hitler. He had a range of dealings with all kind of people.
You can't answer your question because you think "the Jews" are some big homogenous entity as opposed to the bleedin' obvious point that some Jews are rich, some poor, some left, some right, some nice, some nasty - y'know like human beings tend to be...different from one another.
But if you want to know why business types, banking or otherwise, financed or dealt with Hitler, just ask yourself this - why wouldn't they if it appeared to make financial sense at the time? It is the nature of Capitalism to be amoral; it only cares about the money.
Anyway, I really must go and do the festival of mammon properly and keep away from here.
In the meantime, if I were you, I'd stick to formulating some theory about how Hitler was 'set up' - like he was trying to 'do good' (try to ignore or downplay all the bad things he did) but "the Jews" allowed him to temporarily usurp their power, safe in the knowledge the combined forces of their communist Russians and capitalist Americans were bound to win - and they could make a lot of profit in the process by hedging their bets. If you want to go out on a limb, perhaps suggest "the Jews" knew the bomb was coming and could always nuke Hitler as a last resort. Then they could pin the Holocaust on Hitler and invent Israel. Somehow, they drugged Hitler or something which accounts for some of his more demented strategic decisions when the war started getting tough.
Anyway, this left the communists to seize much of Europe (remember! Stalin's own persecution of Jews did not happen! - find a website that sez so!) and the ensuing cold war tension encouraged the construction of large power blocs, thus America and Europe (via the EU) could be 'socialised'. I'd keep it to something simple like that. You just need to pick lots of stuff off the internet that appears to corroborate it.
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| Quote: | | You can't answer your question because you think "the Jews" are some big homogenous entity as opposed to the bleedin' obvious point that some Jews are rich, some poor, some left, some right, some nice, some nasty - y'know like human beings tend to be...different from one another. |
That reminds me of a similar comment
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The individuals that comprise a list are individuals. They achieved on their own merit in their own diverse individual fields. No conspiracy before or after the fact could be implied. |
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/10/jerusalem-post-.html
I will say it again - I am talking about an elite orbiting around the Ashkenazi core. Rothschild is known as 'King David'. Not everyman.
You know what they say - it's not WHAT you know but WHO you know...
Here's another question - how come so much Russian wealth ended up in the accounts of Jewish Oligarchs?
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | | You want to pin everything on some mystery cabal of Jews |
And what a mystery it is!! There is absolutely NO evidence!! Its just a coincidence!
| Quote: | | Anyway, I really must go and do the festival of mammon properly and keep away from here. |
Hope springs eternal. Why do I doubt you will actually stay away?
| Rodin wrote: | | Here's another question - how come so much Russian wealth ended up in the accounts of Jewish Oligarchs? |
Coincidence?? |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Dogsmilk wrote: | | You want to pin everything on some mystery cabal of Jews |
And what a mystery it is!! There is absolutely NO evidence!! Its just a coincidence!
| Quote: | | Anyway, I really must go and do the festival of mammon properly and keep away from here. |
Hope springs eternal. Why do I doubt you will actually stay away?
| Rodin wrote: | | Here's another question - how come so much Russian wealth ended up in the accounts of Jewish Oligarchs? |
Coincidence?? |
Some apparently stayed behind
| Quote: | Those associated with the liberal camp include Roman Abramovich, the Russian oligarch and owner of Chelsea football club who is close to Putin and the Yeltsin family. Other members are Viktor Cherkesov, the head of the federal drug control service, and Alisher Usmanov, an Uzbek-born billionaire.
Insiders say the struggle has little to do with ideology. They characterise it as a war between business competitors. Putin's decision to endorse as president Medvedev - who has no links with the secret services - dealt a severe blow to the hardline Sechin clan, they add. |
1) No doubt the federal drug control service has similar role to the FDA, if U know what I mean
http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2230924,00.html
2) Look who Putin anoints
http://www.fjc.ru/news/newsArticle.asp?AID=608642
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