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TonyGosling Editor
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Dogsmilk Mighty Poster
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karlos wrote: | Dogsmilk wrote: | Yet on the other hand, if I raise the question as to why the Palestinians are more important than the Chechens, the Diego Gracians, the Colombians, the West Papuans, the Somalians even the Afghans and Iraqis by volume of attention (and on and on) - just look at the sheer volume of threads about Palestine (and again, the majority I actually agree with, but I realise your brain has difficulty with the abstract reasoning involved with understanding you can agree with a position while questioning its overwhelming primacy), a flashing light reading "Error! Error! Does not compute!" will go off in your frontal lobes and you'll accuse me of wanting to eat Palestinian babies. |
This is a game you always like to play.
It is known as creating a diversion.
Tell us what your left of centre atheist social worker views are about Israel and zionism. Distracting the topic and burying your head under the duvet will not make the issue of zionism go away.
As my colleague said quite rightly. Zionism is a racist ideology and anyone who apologises for it are themselves a racist. |
How am I creating a "diversion"? I was simply clarifying an earlier point you apparently lacked the ability to understand.
I tend to think Zionism is an arrogant philosophy whose theological basis is dubious at best, though I understand why Jews wanted a homeland; this being more potentially justifiable IMO in the form of non-Israel focused Jewish territorialism. I personally see no justification for a Jewish right to Israel, but then I'm not in the habit of basing my whole life on some book or other written two thousand years ago or whenever. For some reason, people find this part of the world very important because some people once lived there or something. Though I actually see why you would call Zionism by definition racist (there are genuine arguments for this position) and Israeli policy towards Palestinians certainly IMO qualifies in terms of racism and apartheid. However, I would personally not automatically assume everyone who identifies themselves as a Zionist is by definition a racist. For example an Israeli can't help where they were born, may have no problem with Palestinians and may even oppose the policies of their government towards them, yet still believe in the continued existence of Israel as a Jewish homeland and thus be a Zionist. There's an Israeli guy who appears in one of John Pilger's docs who lost his (IIRC) daughter in a Palestinian suicide bombing. However, rather than want vengeance on Palestinians, he saw it as a consequence of his country's unjust policies towards Palestinians was able to see why the bomber was driven to do what they did. I don't care if that guy's a Zionist, I can't see him as a racist.
Please feel free to froth at my failure to denounce each individual Zionist on the planet.
Regarding Israel, it is responsible for what are essentially war crimes and is in violation of a number of UN resolutions. It should take responsibility for its actions, make reparations and withdraw from the occupied territories with the aim of an equitable two state solution with an independent Palestine. Quite a few people should be prosecuted. Unfortunately, it enjoys the 'immunity from prosecution' that comes with being an ally of America, a privilege enjoyed by a number of states with hideous human rights records over the years. In theory, the UN should intervene to impose a resolution upon Israel but that's obviously not going to happen.
I'm not an atheist I'm an agnostic.
Since we're playing this game, would you be so kind as to return the favour and say what your opinion is of Indonesia with its track record of aggression, repression, child slavery and genocide? _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD |
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karlos Validated Poster
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I am not playing any game, the topic was actually a mainstream media attack against Brian Haw by a card carrying zionist.
Brian Haw is a truly decent and humble and honest man. An attack against him by Cohen is disgraceful.
Did you know that Ken Livingstone is spending our money taking Brian to court at the moment?
Non stop one case after another.
Livingstone sent 23 policemen to dismantle the protest placards and tents and he also at one stage built a metal fence around the green.
Sir Ian Blair too is involved in prosecuting Brian on some trumped up case which is baing paid for by us the taxpayers.
Andrew Gilligan who in my opinion is the leading journo in the UK at the moment correctly exposed Livinstones vendetta campaign against Brian Haw.
Can it be right that one man who does not pose a threat to anyone and does not have two halfpennys to rub together is dragged before the courts week in week out?
My taxes and conjestion charges and parking tickets are paying for this.
It is totally wrong. |
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paul wright Moderator
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Dogsmilk is a top guy who just doesn't want the conflation of Jews,Israel, Holocaust, and Zionists. He's on the same path, I know, because I know him.
This seems to me to be arguing on endless intellectual conceits, a large part is down to him of course _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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paul wright Moderator
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karlos wrote: | I am not playing any game, the topic was actually a mainstream media attack against Brian Haw by a card carrying zionist.
Brian Haw is a truly decent and humble and honest man. An attack against him by Cohen is disgraceful.
Did you know that Ken Livingstone is spending our money taking Brian to court at the moment?
Non stop one case after another.
Livingstone sent 23 policemen to dismantle the protest placards and tents and he also at one stage built a metal fence around the green.
Sir Ian Blair too is involved in prosecuting Brian on some trumped up case which is baing paid for by us the taxpayers.
Andrew Gilligan who in my opinion is the leading journo in the UK at the moment correctly exposed Livinstones vendetta campaign against Brian Haw.
Can it be right that one man who does not pose a threat to anyone and does not have two halfpennys to rub together is dragged before the courts week in week out?
My taxes and conjestion charges and parking tickets are paying for this.
It is totally wrong. |
ps Karlos, that doesn't mean I disgree with you in any way. Ken is a piece of ultra-controlled sh*t in hispresent role as is Cohen and any others you mention in this regard _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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uselesseater Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Well he does write for the Observer, the same one with all the links to the Astors. Anyone hear the R4 docu about this? _________________ www.wytruth.org.uk
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TonyGosling Editor
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William James Minor Poster
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gareth wrote: | As unpopular as this may sound - i don't believe Brian really does think it was 'an inside job' (whatever that incredibly vague statement means). When i first saw the RINF video i thought it was a little exploitative because of that same reason - and sets Brian (and us) up as easily dismissable. Has the extended video of Brian that was promised by RINF been posted yet? I should add that i'm quite often at Parliament Square - as is Andy - but have never ever heard Brian talk about the events of 9/11 being as is described. | Brian Haw has asid 9/11 was an inside job. i have heard him. |
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rodin Validated Poster
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TonyGosling wrote: | the Palestinian issue is to my mind absolutely central globally. The Israelis have no intention of peace and why should they when they're treated with kid gloves by all the Estern world's mainstream media |
Why? _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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zoomer Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: Brian Haw assaulted by nazi police |
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BRIAN HAW and supporters attacked at night by the so-called The Territorial Support Group http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=2786
"brian haw violently assaulted then arrested at downing street today
during the freedom to protest assembly this afternoon, brian haw (who was peacefully filming events in whitehall) was violently attacked by a territorial support group policeman who lashed out at him, smashing his camera into his face and causing a deep cut. police then arrested brian for an unspecified public order offence and further assaulted him in a police van.
a number of people were milling around the road outside downing street where a group of around a dozen had laid down with linked arms in the road.
without warnings the territorial support group moved in and began violently pushing and man-handling people to the pavement. one young woman was grabbed round the throat and dragged. others were pushed from behind. brian was miving backwards towards the pavement with a camera to his face when officer U1019 lunged at him deliberately and without provocation. the blow was aimed directly at brian's face and pushed his camera into his cheek causing a deep wound.
shortly afterwards, brian was snatched from the crowd and taken to a police van, from which witnesses heard him screaming. after several minutes he was dragged out of the van looking very alarmed and frightened, and taken to another cell van where he was driven to belgravia police station.
supporters there are worried for his safety, but after an hour of no news, they were told that he was being taken to see the prison doctor. there are concerns about his treatment during that hour.
steve jago, on seeing the snatch, pushed forward to try to help brian, but was immediately pounced on by four heavy tsg thugs who violently dragged him to the ground, sat on him, and aggressively hand-cuffed him before apprently arresting him for an unknown offence.
in an afternoon of filming, at no time did i see a single act of violence towards the police from the peaceful protestors, and yet police used completely disproportionate and aggressive tactics to disperse and control peaceful sit-downs and blockades. i saw a 61 year old woman being dragged wihout any heed for 'health and safety' and dumped on the pavement. another elderly man was thrown over his bicycle (despite having recently had an accident leaving him in considerable pain)
there were several other arrests this afternoon, mainly for obstruction and public order offences. one person was arrested for 'organising an unauthorised protest'
attached photo was taken by nuj journalist terence bunch and remains his copyright although he has kindly allowed publication here - for any commercial usgae please contact him via
www.terencebunch.co.uk
i'll be editing a short film of this afternoon soon
rikki
- e-mail: rikkiindymedia[aT]gmail(d0t)com
- Homepage: http://www.socpa-movie.blogspot.com " _________________ keep asking questions! |
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andyb Validated Poster
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A member of WAC was also arrested and held for 12 hours, although has not been charged but bailed pending further inquiry. Thankfully he did not receive the same treatment as Steve and Brian. It was a fantastic day apart from a bit of police violence at the end but demonstrators were admirable in the way they did not let this antagonise them into reacting. We must have held up traffic outside Parliament and Downing Street for an hour. _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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Linda Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: supporters of Brian Haw and the right to protest, |
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Dear supporters of Brian Haw and the right to protest,
>
> On Monday 2 June, Brian will have been in Parliament Square for 7 years. Over
> that time he has stood his ground tirelessly for peace and justice for the
> people of Iraq and elsewhere. Seven years ago when he started his 24/7 vigil
> against the economic sanctions that had such a devastating effect on life and
> health in Iraq, who could have imagined that the country would go through the
> terror of the invasion and occupation and the resulting chaos, damage and
> massive loss of life. Brian has been a constant, public reminder of this
> terrible ruination of one country by others, refusing to forget - as we all
> must refuse to forget. See below for details of the gathering on Sunday 1 June
> to mark this occasion.
>
> Brian, of course, has not been silenced and remains in Parliament Square with
> supporters despite numerous attempts to remove him and his powerful message.
> Just this year, Brian has twice been violently arrested and threatened with
> minor public order offences.
> (see http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/actions/2006/socpa/)
>
> In the meantime, the law that was introduced in 2005 in order to ban
> unauthorised protest near Parliament has fallen into complete disrepute and it
> was announced in March that sections 132-138 for the Serious Organised Crime
> and Police Act will be repealed. See below for details.
>
> However, it is very possible that, having removed the SOCPA restrictions on
> protest around Parliament, the government/Parliament will seek to create new
> ones - around Parliament or possibly the whole of the country. The Joint
> Committee on Human Rights have issued a Call for Evidence for an enquiry into
> Policing and Protest. This is an important opportunity for freedom to protest
> demands to be made. Written evidence to this enquiry on policing and protest
> must be submitted by 9th June. See below for details.
>
> Finally, a small request for donations. Brian's expenses are not large but a
> certain amount is needed to cover daily needs and to deal with costs associated
> with court cases. All donations are very much appreciated. See
> http://www.parliament-square.org.uk/donate.htm.
>
> Many thanks for your continuing support,
>
> Emma
> Parliament Square Peace Campaign
> http://www.parliament-square.org.uk
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>
> *********
>
> 7 YEARS FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE
> SUNDAY 1 JUNE 2008 GATHERING IN PARLIAMENT SQUARE, 2pm
>
> Brian:
>
> "June 2nd 2008 is a sad day for me. So many have needlessly suffered and died
> the 7 years 24/7 we have been witnessing here. I will mark the 7 years by
> fasting and praying. I invite our supporters to join me in this. Empathy for
> children and families who die by our war. Thank you for your care and support"
>
> All are welcome to join a gathering to mark Brian's 7 years protesting against
> the foreign policy of this government. Brian will be fasting until Monday 2
> (the anniversary) and people are welcome to join him in that. The gathering
> will start at 2pm. Please bring food/drink to share for those not fasting.
>
>
> SOCPA TO BE REPEALED......
>
> In March, the Government announced that sections 132-138 of the Serious
> Organised Crime and Police Act that bans unauthorised protest around Parliament
> will be repealed in the Constitutional Renewal Bill.
>
> Thank you to all those who campaigned against, and supported the campaign
> against, the SOCPA ban on authorised protest around Parliament. Thank you to
> all those who responded to the government consultation - the scale of the
> response was impressive. In addition to recognising a huge opposition to the
> protest restrictions around Parliament, the Government notes that "Given the
> strength of feeling in responses to the consultation document on potential
> restrictions on legitimate protest, and in the absence of greater evidence of a
> policing problem, the Government will not pursue harmonisation of the sorts of
> conditions that can be placed on marches and assemblies in the Public Order Act
> 1986." The large response to the consultation has given the Government an
> important message - that any more police powers to control protest would be
> completely unacceptable.
>
> However, Jack Straw left the way open for restrictions to creep back in,
> saying, 'Our view is that Parliament itself is best placed to decide what needs
> to be secured to ensure Members are able freely to discharge their
> responsibilities'. While continued monitoring is needed, this repeal represents
> an inspiring, if yet to be fully realised, victory for everyone who spoke out,
> and stood up, against these restrictions on freedom of speech.
>
> See http://www.repeal-socpa.info for more details of the consultation results
> and the repeal.
>
>
> BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO PROTEST AGAINST LAWS RESTRICTING PROTEST
>
> The Joint Committee on Human Rights have issued a Call for Evidence for an
> enquiry into Policing and Protest. This enquiry is about SOCPA but also about
> many other aspects of how protest is policed. It poses a number of questions
> and invites evidence on a broad range of protesting related issues.
>
> We are encouraging people to respond to the enquiry with their thoughts and
> concerns about how protests are policed. After all, we are the ones often on
> the sharp end of policing policy and our experiences need to be got across to
> the Joint Committee on Human Rights. It is our rights and freedoms that are
> being discussed.
>
> If you would like to submit a response to the enquiry it must be done by 9 June
> 2008.
>
> All details about the policing and protest enquiry can be found here:
> http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/joint_committee_on_h uman_rights/jchrpn070832.cfm
> (or try http://tinyurl.com/576gbb)
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Nice one Linda, Brain Haw needs our support.
Linda, your link is broken because of a full stop.
Donate to Brain haw here
You'll need a paypal account.
Send £1.19 oir £9.11 or £11.9 or £119 or £911
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Hatred has turned him into a Jew: Deconstructing Nick Cohen
By Gilad Atzmon
Online Journal Guest Writer
Mar 9, 2009, 00:29
In an article published by the Jewish Chronicle, Observer columnist Nick Cohen argued that ‘Hatred turned him into a Jew’. Initially, I was rather amused by the revealing confession.
Cohen must have a lot of hatred in him. He was one of the very few supporters of the illegal war against Iraq within the British media. He really believed that liberating the Iraqis was the way forward. Incidentally, he also possesses an incredible record of Islamophobic ranting. Hence, I at first tended to interpret Cohen’s declaration as an acknowledgment that it was the loathing towards others which he finds in himself that made him into a Jew.
I was obviously wrong, Cohen was quick to clarify that it is actually other people’s hatred, specifically that of the ‘British Left’ that ‘indulges anti-Semitism,’ which made him ‘feel Kosher.’
As we noticed many times before, it is always someone or something else that transforms the ‘innocent,’ ‘atheist,’ ‘cosmopolitan,’ ‘secularist,’ ‘egalitarian’ person into a ‘Jew.’ I have previously heard Jewish leftists arguing that it was Hitler who made them into Jews, now we have Nick Cohen of the Observer who claims that it is actually the ‘Left’ that makes him ‘feel Kosher.’ If it wasn’t very funny, it would be very sad, may even be tragic.
One again, I find myself admitting that the more I elaborate on issues concerning contemporary Jewish Identity, the more I realise that it is actually the so-called ‘secular,’ ‘enlightened,’ ‘emancipated,’ ‘assimilated,’ ‘cosmopolitan’ Jew who provides us with a real meaningful insight into the subject of Zionism, Israeli genocidal policies, Jewish lobbying and Jewish institutional support of the Zionist crime.
Cohen’s JC article is an exemplary case study of the Zionisation of world Jewry and the transition of Jewish identity into a hawkish carrier of brutal, expansionist, murderous ideologies......
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4454.shtml _________________ www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org
www.rethink911.org
www.patriotsquestion911.com
www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org
www.mediafor911truth.org
www.pilotsfor911truth.org
www.mp911truth.org
www.ae911truth.org
www.rl911truth.org
www.stj911.org
www.v911t.org
www.thisweek.org.uk
www.abolishwar.org.uk
www.elementary.org.uk
www.radio4all.net/index.php/contributor/2149
http://utangente.free.fr/2003/media2003.pdf
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fish5133 Site Admin
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Quote: | Hatred has turned him into a Jew: Deconstructing Nick Cohen |
I always thought it was a rabbi with a knife that made someone into a jew. Sorry bit below the belt that one! _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12 |
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kbo234 Validated Poster
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TonyGosling wrote: | Hatred has turned him into a Jew: Deconstructing Nick Cohen
By Gilad Atzmon
Online Journal Guest Writer
Mar 9, 2009, 00:29
In an article published by the Jewish Chronicle, Observer columnist Nick Cohen argued that ‘Hatred turned him into a Jew’. Initially, I was rather amused by the revealing confession.
Cohen must have a lot of hatred in him. He was one of the very few supporters of the illegal war against Iraq within the British media. He really believed that liberating the Iraqis was the way forward. Incidentally, he also possesses an incredible record of Islamophobic ranting. Hence, I at first tended to interpret Cohen’s declaration as an acknowledgment that it was the loathing towards others which he finds in himself that made him into a Jew.
I was obviously wrong, Cohen was quick to clarify that it is actually other people’s hatred, specifically that of the ‘British Left’ that ‘indulges anti-Semitism,’ which made him ‘feel Kosher.’
As we noticed many times before, it is always someone or something else that transforms the ‘innocent,’ ‘atheist,’ ‘cosmopolitan,’ ‘secularist,’ ‘egalitarian’ person into a ‘Jew.’ I have previously heard Jewish leftists arguing that it was Hitler who made them into Jews, now we have Nick Cohen of the Observer who claims that it is actually the ‘Left’ that makes him ‘feel Kosher.’ If it wasn’t very funny, it would be very sad, may even be tragic.
One again, I find myself admitting that the more I elaborate on issues concerning contemporary Jewish Identity, the more I realise that it is actually the so-called ‘secular,’ ‘enlightened,’ ‘emancipated,’ ‘assimilated,’ ‘cosmopolitan’ Jew who provides us with a real meaningful insight into the subject of Zionism, Israeli genocidal policies, Jewish lobbying and Jewish institutional support of the Zionist crime.
Cohen’s JC article is an exemplary case study of the Zionisation of world Jewry and the transition of Jewish identity into a hawkish carrier of brutal, expansionist, murderous ideologies......
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4454.shtml |
Excellent article by Azmon. Good job he's Jewish. You or I would not get away with saying such things.
It is amazing how delusional the mindset of Cohen and other Jewish supporters of the Gaza carnage are. Cohen has clearly thought of himself as an impartial observer of Israeli politics for years........
........and he's the guy with the megaphone. How did that happen?
I think we know.
It would be comical if it wasn't so dangerous. |
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Disco_Destroyer Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Anyone know if Brian is recieving extra harrassment given recent law changes?? _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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The US and Israel have been locked in a blood pact since at least the attack on the 'USS Liberty' in 1967; there was even a report of 3 US pilots (named) who allegedly participated in the attack. This was in LBJ's tenure; one of the most likely motives for JFK's assassination was his determination that Israel should not get nuclear capability (there were many others: his determination to wrest money production and control from the Fed, his peace feelers with Castro, his desire to end the Vietnam War, his Catholicism and his abhorence for 'secret societies').
Silly me! I forgot to include LBJ's lust for the top job, and the Israeli lobbies desire for a 'comliant' President.
Johnson of course was an avowed 'Friend of Israel', and cooked up the 'Liberty' attack with Israel (controversial that statement might be, but read 'Operation Cyanide', and then come to an assessment of it's likelihood).
The 'Liberty' attack consumated the pact, in true Mafia style. They were 'Brothers in Lucifer', and so they remain.
When Carter stopped arms transfers to Guatemala and Somoza's Nicaragua, Israel stepped into the breach, impossible without US connivance, as most Israeli arms manufacturers were producing under US licence.
Larry Silverstein was a friend of Netanyahu; I think we would all agree LS had 'prior knowledge' of 9/11: is it conceivable he wouldn't have tipped off Netanyahu? Of course it is, because there was no need to, he already knew, just as did Giuliani.
As for direct involvement in the attack, it would sure make a lot of sense for the US to get Israelis to plant the explosives in the Towers, as no matter how brainwashed US citizens were, they might well draw the line at killing so many Americans (it would have taken quite a lot of people to plant all the explosives necessary, and it would only take one to be stricken by conscience to blow the whole show. A number of Israelis are on record as expressing satisfaction that now 'they (US citizens) know what it's like' (to suffer 'terrorist' attacks). And of course, the 'Blood Pact'; Israel had shown it's willingness to slaughter large numbers of Americans with the 'Liberty' attack. All in a days work, for the Mossad. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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ICH on Israeli spies; b*gger tries to dismiss my 'Mossad' contention (even before I wrote it) but otherwise not bad:
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22196.htm _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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GAO declassified report on Israeli nuclear history:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25457.htm
Interesting references to Zionist Organization of America (a precursor of AIPAC), JFK and LBJ.
Yes, the LBJ ('How many kids did you kill today?') of 'USS Liberty' & 'Gulf of Tonkin' fame, as well as the beneficiary (well, one of them!) of JFK's assassination. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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David Rose Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: Who is behind the campaign against Brian Haw? |
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Very disturbing video from Brian Haw about what's been happening in Parliament Sq: ** viewer discretion advised***
http://brianhaw.tv/index.php/blog/319-blog-qmy-new-campaign-is-a-campa ign-against-brian-hawq
"Parliament Square Peace Campaign (PSPC) Leaders Babs Tucker and Brian Haw repel a take-over bid of their Green Zone by agent provocateurs - working for corrupt British Government in concert with corrupt police et al - The Green Zone opposite the British Parliament, that PSPC won at High Court of Appeal, is intact and clear of pirates, bandits and corrupt pretend 'peace campaigners'. The fight continues, we go forward to win. Brian Haw this time was 'arrested' for being Innocent, much of the World will understand how this happens. We need a Universal System of Justice for All, we need most of the World's good people to do what they can to make this happen. Take a look at this video and say who the criminals are. Then take a bigger look at the World. Then please do something to make change for the better, thank you. -- Brian W Haw." |
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what horrible yobbos. Probably still in nappies when Brian started his campaign. Felt like slapping them myself which is what they were goading Brian for. Cant see any purpose other than trying to set Brian up for something. _________________ JO911B.
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alacrity New Poster
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What proof is there that there is a "campaign" against Brian Haw?
I see none
I've watched the video - i see an angry man shouting at a young boy and waving a camera in his face. The boy retaliates - hardly surprising given the relentless provocation. I'm not endorsing the young boys behaviour but it seems clear to me that they are being provoked.
The entire post/blog on Brian Haws website is full of unsubstantiated and libellous attacks on genuine and hard-working peace campaigners like Maria Gallastegui and the founders of the Democracy Village.
This forum purports to be about 9/11 Truth but i see no difference between the above unfounded accusations and those of the Bush administrations regarding muslims on 9/11.
I believe it's worthwhile pointing out that upon signing up for this forum it asks...
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The fact that this has been 'highlighted' under recent news is even more disturbing. |
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David Rose Validated Poster
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If you think there is nothing wrong with their behaviour towards Brian Haw, then there is something very wrong with you "alacrity". |
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ian neal Angel - now passed away
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I can hear an angry man (Brian) who has every reason to angry and a young man (not a boy) who is totally out of order and who should grow up and learn some respect.
However well intentioned the original Democracy Village occupation of Parliament Square was, it was seriously ill conceived and along the way lost control and lost its purpose as far as I can see.
Why doesn't the 'boy' go and squat elsewhere? Surely both legally and morally now that the square has been evicted bar a small section for Brian, that small section should be left for Brian to continue his vigil. |
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Parliament Square’s veteran peace protester Brian Haw is treated for tumour
Rob Parsons - Evening Standard - 23rd November 2010
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23900107-parliament-squ ares-veteran-peace-protester-brian-haw-is-treated-for-tumour.do
Parliament Square anti-war protester Brian Haw is being treated in hospital for a tumour.
Mr Haw, who has been encamped outside the Houses of Parliament since 2001, was told about the growth after being admitted with breathing problems. His absence has cast doubt on the future of the protest camp, which MPs are attempting to outlaw.
A recent post on Mr Haw's blog revealed that he was taken to hospital in September and has since had tests and treatment.
Mr Haw, 61, said: “In my enforced absence, Babs Tucker is Captain of the Good Ship Parliament Square Peace Campaign. Please give her all the help possible.
“I will be back and able to cry out again for those denied a voice. God save the kids, the people.”
Ms Tucker declined to comment but told the Standard an announcement would be made about Mr Haw's health and the future of the camp shortly.
Mr Haw, of Redditch, Worcestershire, set up his camp in protest against sanctions on Iraq and then over the war. He won a legal battle in 2007 to remain because of a drafting error in a law banning unauthorised protests in Westminster.
The Government announced last month that the squatters' peace camp will be banned.
In May, Mr Haw was arrested as police cleared the area before the Queen's speech. The demonstration moved to the pavement after protesters were evicted from Parliament Square in July. Commons Leader Sir George Young described the camp as “wholly unacceptable”.
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They seem to be getting the stories mixed up. Brians protest was nothing to do with the"squatters camp".Was it Brian himself that won the right to remain at parliament Sq or the "protest". He won the right to REMAIN there as the new legislation came out after his encampment. If it was the " protest" then it could continue minus Brian (if he cannot return).
We wish you a speedy recovery Brian. God bless you _________________ JO911B.
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