David Ray Griffin is a globalist.

[Stephen]

Our lives are far two much over complacated allready and maybe we all need to shed a lot of the excess needless sh*t and get down to the hard core Truth.

[chek]

[John White]

What Stephen is saying, basically, is "Your either with me (think the same as me): or your my enemy"

Thats Sith speak, that is

[Stephen]

[Stephen]

[Stephen]

[John White]

[Stephen]

[Stephen]

[John White]

[Stephen]

[John White]

[Stephen]

You all know the liks between Secret Societies like Freemasons, Skull & Bones, Bilderberg and CFR and Politicians, Police layers etc So I dont now why you people think that GG could be a good thing when you know The NEW WORLD ORDER have infilltrated every aspect of our First World.

I dont want a Global Government and I dont care who runs it I'd rather die, even if they do have best of intrests for everyone, the system can still be infilltrated again, remember power corrupts people, same as I dislike National/local Government, but theres more at stake with a GG it's centrolised power (Top of the Pyramid) and could/will be takin over by negative forces.

Defanation of Government: Control. The System or mettod of Governring state as a agent, securities issued by the Govrnment.


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When someone starts talkin about having a Global Government then this can only mean one thing.

Global Government! AKA New Wolrd Order

This is not individualism its the group mentality this means no freedom!
Face it people, this Movement is being used by the NWO. Wake Up!
We MUST say NO! to THE NWO AGENDA Who/where ever it comes from.
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[Stephen]

[John White]

[Stephen]

I've told you theres no middle ground on this GG stuff we should never
compromise on this it to dangerous

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When someone starts talkin about having a Global Government then this can only mean one thing.

Global Government! AKA New Wolrd Order

This is not individualism its the group mentality this means no freedom!
Face it people, this Movement is being used by the NWO. Wake Up!
We MUST say NO! to THE NWO AGENDA Who/where ever it comes from.

[rodin]

[ian neal]

Fact: we already live with a form of global government (UN, WTO, ICC, regional unions EU, NAFTA, the public and secretative networks of global gangsters (Bilderberg, Skull and Bones, World Economic Forum, etc, etc))

As I understand it what DRG is calling for is a different form of global governance in which people, planet and spiritual values come first and the global gangsters are exposed and swept away. Now his ideas may be seen as ill conceived or unrealistic, but nothing I've heard him say makes him one of the bad guys.

Given what DRG has to say on 9/11 and the Bush cabal, it is unfair to lump him together with the NWO gangsters such as Bush and Brown. Robot radicals like Monbiot (with their globalist talk whilst attacking 'conspiracy theorists' and the 9/11 truth movement) are far more suspect in my book.

[catfish]

I agree Ian. We do need to unite the world and erase the differences between groups. This does not mean the death of the individual where everyone is the same.

It means the acceptance of the individual in a world where everyone is united.

I'm still hoping to see the day when starship Earth is emotionally evolved enough to see the similarities between all of us bi-peds!

Peace

David

[rodin]

[Newspeak International]

(Missed this before)

Who proposed a "One World Government whether we want it or not" originally?

If there were to be a one world government who would choose it's members,and by what method?

Would we be allowed to keep our own properties and possesions,or would that be classed as unfair to those with nowt?

Would a OWG still require the world population to be DNA profiled,databased and microchipped?

Hmm...

[William James]

[William James]

[zennon]

Well, there are two main reasons war happens (in university circles anyway, I'm not taking into account the apparent role of the banking institutions instigating them for self-serving purposes):

1. Some people are just * e.g. Genghis Khan doing what he did for power and glory
2. No world police means countries can do what they want without any real consequences e.g. US going into Iraq while giving the UN the middle finger

There are two ways to fix this problem:
1. Better checks and balances which stops men from getting the power to go to war
2. Formal world police/government

Griffin and Monbiot seem to fit into the second camp being pessimistic about every government on the planet putting better C&B on those in power.

[Keith Mothersson]

William James wrote:

[TonyGosling]

I wish you would flesh out some of these claims in a convincing way Andrew. People here are generally all ears if the argument's a well-evidenced one.

[John White]

Hmmm.

William James:

[arthur two sheds jackson]

DRG is clearly part of the controlled opposition in the truth movement.

[chek]

[ian neal]

I strongly recommend this initiative.

http://www.transformationteam.net/

Users might want to note that wanttoknow includes information on new energy technologies and includes DRG in its team of advisors, which some what undermines the theory that DRG is part of a controlled opposition desparately trying to keep the lid on hidden energy technologies (linked to DEW theories/Judy Woods/Hutchison research)

http://www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus

No doubt part of a cunning double play on the part of DRG to link up with Steven Greer et al. Damn these closet globalists are so sneeky

Solution: stop being so damned paranoid and feel the love, maaaaaan

This message is available online at

http://www.WantToKnow.info/080131globaltransformationteamfable

A Fable of Planetary Transformation
Crafted by the Transformation Team

Once upon a time in a far away corner of the universe in the outer reaches of a medium-sized spiral galaxy, there was a beautiful blue-green planet whose inquisitive inhabitants named their world Earth. Many different peoples inhabited this planet teeming with abundant lifeforms. They had come to learn the many difficult, yet rewarding lessons of exploring in physical bodies what it is like to feel separate and disconnected from their own divine essence and from all around them.

The collective consciousness of all people on Earth greatly affected everything that happened on this revolving planet. Yet because of their explorations into separateness, the vast majority of these people – or humans as they called themselves – were unaware of how their collective will formed their world. In order to learn the deep wisdom of this Earth school or Univers-city, these humans had chosen to forget how in their deepest essence they were all interconnected and how every individual played an essential role in what happened on their planet and to their people as a whole.

Over the ages and through thousands upon thousands of revolutions of this jewel of a planet around its shining golden sun, the people of Earth explored, developed, and expanded their awareness through many rich, beautiful, and sometimes even painful experiences. Through the rich drama and challenging lessons of many ages and lifetimes, they several times grew close to the point of feeling again their deep interconnectedness with all beings. Yet each time they came close, that awareness then contracted and was eventually shut down by their collective fear of losing individuality and uniqueness.

After several cycles of this expansion and contraction, at one point in a new expansion phase, the collective mind grew so intelligent as to permit humankind for the first time to soar beyond the gravitational confines of Earth in shiny, metallic spaceships. The collective knowledge of the physical world in which they lived grew so deep that certain individuals began to see visions of a major transformation leading to physical paradise on Earth. At the same time, many others greatly feared that these new mental abilities and sophisticated technologies would be used by the militaries and greedy elite to destroy the very life and world in which they lived.

As their collective hopes and fears grew like never before, many humans dedicated to global transformation joined together in a deep prayer about their lives and world. So for the first time in the planet's history, a powerful collective call was sent out to the universe requesting help and guidance for the struggling planet and its people to move beyond separation, selfishness, and greed towards loving, empowering transformation and integration. For the first time, humanity as a whole opened to connection and help from the great universe beyond the physical confines of their world.

Their prayer was heard.



In the vast and varied collection of civilizations and species spread throughout the infinite universe, the call for help from this small, beautiful planet was heard. Unbeknownst to the people of Earth, there existed in the universe a special team made up of millions of caring souls from various planets, galaxies, and even dimensions. This loving team had dedicated themselves specifically to serve and support the inhabitants of developing planets who requested help in times of crisis and transition.

The vibrant souls of this intergalactic transformation team were committed to work together with the local transformation team of any planet that called for help in creating more nurturing, life-enhancing ways of living and growing. This loving team was activated by the collective call from Earth.

Feeling the call for help almost like a fireman on Earth responding to an alarm, the excited souls of the transformation team came together to focus their attention on this beautiful world in crisis. They opened their hearts and souls to the people there. They learned of the ways of humankind and became familiar with the challenges the people of Earth found themselves facing. While some agreed to observe and provide guidance from a distance, millions of these souls agreed to be born in human bodies and – like other humans – to forget where they came from, so that they might fully experience being human and more effectively provide help and guidance to humankind.

Being born into human bodies and human families without memory of their origin, almost all of these transformation team members felt the many pains and joys of growing up while often feeling separate and isolated from those around them. Some even chose to go through serious traumas with their human families in order to develop deeper compassion. Others simply felt alone and bewildered, unable to comprehend why those around them couldn't see that love interconnects us all. At times, all of them felt they didn't belong and sensed an inner calling to some greater purpose.

As these dedicated transformation team members grew spiritually and the crisis facing the planet intensified, magical things began to happen. Key writings, dreams, mystical experiences, and even inspiring fables began to awaken members of the transformation team to their deeper purpose.

For some the awakening was gradual, while for others a powerful, unexpected single event lifted the veil. Collectively, members of the transformation team began to remember why they came to Earth. They found themselves spontaneously connecting with other wise humans who were part of the transformation team and who further helped to awaken and inspire them. Their fears and feeling of separation gradually faded as they became increasingly excited to remember their deeper purpose, and to find themselves now playing an integral role in this empowering planetary transition.

Eventually, all members of the transformation team awoke. Upon awakening, a new, bright sparkle danced from their eyes. It was a sparkle of knowingness. Knowing that all of us are already interconnected in a divine cosmic dance. Knowing that the joy of love is always there inside when any soul truly opens to it. Knowing that the team's purpose is not to save anyone, but rather to simply be a loving invitation and inspiration to all around them. Knowing that uniqueness and individuality are welcome even in the interconnectedness of all beings. Knowing that when the people of a planet send out a collective call for help, the transformation team always answers. Knowing that the team never fails to give powerful, inspiring guidance to help make it through even the most daunting crisis.

Once upon a time, the transformation team came to Earth to remind humankind – and even to remind themselves – that we are not alone, that we are all equally important actors intimately interconnected in the divine unfolding of the universe. The team came to remind us that fear is but an invitation to growth, and that in the end, there is no end. There is only this sacred moment in which to open to all the richness that we are ready to receive. There is only the eternal here and now.

And so to bring this transformation fable to a close (or is it an opening?), the transformation team found and continues to find ever more joyful, meaningful ways to love, explore, play, and grow together with all people of Earth, as they live happily ever after in the ever present here and now.