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Police tasered diabetic in a coma - because they thought he was a suicide bomber
15th November 2007
A man who slipped into a diabetic coma on the top deck of a bus has described how he was used for electric stun gun "target practice" after police mistook him for a suicide bomber.
Innocent Nicolas Gaubert was shot twice with a Taser gun in what he said was a chilling precursor to the death of Jean Charles de Menezes in London just over a week later.
Mr Gaubert was on his way home from work in Leeds city centre, West Yorks, when he suffered a hypoglycaemic fit and was found slumped in his seat by the bus driver at the end of the route in Headingley, Leeds.
Police were called and two officers, who had been issued with Tasers just a fortnight earlier, boarded the empty bus and used the weapon twice on Mr Gaubert after he failed to respond to instructions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_artic le_id=494199&in_page_id=1770
He said he was then handcuffed and bundled into a police van and was only taken to hospital after he came round and started to shout that he was ill and needed medical attention.
Officers finally took him to Leeds General Infirmary, but the 34-year-old claims they refused to remove his handcuffs despite being told by a nurse that he was suffering the effects of diabetes.
Mr Gaubert, who is now considering legal action, said he had remained silent until now but had decided to speak out after the Crown Prosecution Service confirmed that no charges would be brought over the incident on July 13, 2005.
The complaint has now been passed to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).
Mr Gaubert said: "I am absolutely disgusted that no action will be taken. I was totally innocent. The only thing that could have made people suspicious was that I had a black rucksack with me.
"But I am a white male, and if I was planning to blow up the bus, why didn't I do it when there were passengers on board?
"I have been told that I am the first person to be Tasered in West Yorkshire.
"Senior officers also told me after the incident that the policeman who came on the bus had been told not to use weapons on me if I did not respond. But they did.
"I think the officers involved just saw it was an opportunity to try out their new toys. It should have been obvious that I was having a hypo and I wear a necklace alerting people I am diabetic.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_artic le_id=494199&in_page_id=1770
"What goes through my mind now is what would have happened if they had been carrying real guns like they were in London. It gives me nightmares."
Mr Gaubert, who runs his own business and lives in Leeds, said he was now forced to take medication and his life "had completely changed" as a result of his ordeal.
He said West Yorkshire Police told him that he had been blasted twice with the weapons because after the first shock he had fallen from his seat and lay face down with one hand underneath his body.
Officers said when he failed to respond to requests to remove his hand, they felt they had to stun him again to ensure it was safe to approach.
Mr Gaubert, whose mother is a magistrate in Rotherham and both his parents are retired GPs, is now being advised by Sheffield law firm Irwin Mitchell.
He said: "I was going to stay quiet, but if this passes without being highlighted then it could happen to someone else. People think the police are always on their side but I was easy target practice.
"I couldn't let them get away with it. I broke down when the de Menezes case was reported recently. I just kept thinking that could have been me."
One of the two officers, who has not been named has been transferred to South Yorkshire Police.
Both South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire Police said they are "in discussions" with the IPCC.
An IPCC spokesman said: "The IPCC managed an investigation into an incident on July 13, 2005 in which West Yorkshire Police discharged a Taser at a man while he sat on a bus in Leeds.
"The man was mistakenly treated as a potential security threat when he was, in fact, in a hypoglycaemic state. The investigation report was submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service in November 2006.
"The CPS returned its initial decision in February 2007 stating that no officers should be charged with any criminal offences. Consideration was then given by the CPS as to whether any offences had been committed under health and safety law.
"A decision was received recently to advise that no charges would be brought under the legislation.
"The IPCC must determine whether any disciplinary matters need to be considered against the officers involved. Initial recommendations regarding discipline put forward by the police forces involved have not been agreed by the IPCC and discussions are ongoing."
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: man tasered in a coma-mistaken for suicide bomber |
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A 34-year-old diabetic has described how he was shot twice by police with a Taser gun after going into a coma on a bus.
Nicholas Gaubert says he suffered a hypoglycaemic fit which left him slumped on his seat clutching his rucksack.
Police officers called to the scene believed he could be a suicide bomber and shot him twice when he did not respond.
http://www.virginmedia.com/news/uk/uk-story.php?storyid=16457116 |
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Simply unbelievable.
As the victim himself is quoted as saying, thank god he didn't come out of the coma, disoriented, and lashed out at people standing over him.
Plus if they were really that concerned, do they not use the Kratos method in West Yorkshire?
Me thinks the "Ways and means Act" was in operation. |
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Not surprising CPS did nothing as I believe 48% of them are Freemasons (according to a guy protesting in London). Protecting their fellow freemason organization.
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| Busker wrote: | Simply unbelievable.
As the victim himself is quoted as saying, thank god he didn't come out of the coma, disoriented, and lashed out at people standing over him.
Plus if they were really that concerned, do they not use the Kratos method in West Yorkshire?
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Exactly. If he'd been in the 'Smoke', he'd have been gunned down with a score of illegal soft-nosed hollow point dum-dum bullets. If any of you have sympathetic MP's, ask them to bring it up in the House (it doesn't have to be the victim's MP); my MP, George Galloway, is too busy on 'Big Brother' to respond to my letters.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Gestapo Watch - Yorkshire cops Taser comatose diabetic |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | Police tasered diabetic in a coma - because they thought he was a suicide bomber
15th November 2007
A man who slipped into a diabetic coma on the top deck of a bus has described how he was used for electric stun gun "target practice" after police mistook him for a suicide bomber.
Innocent Nicolas Gaubert was shot twice with a Taser gun in what he said was a chilling precursor to the death of Jean Charles de Menezes in London just over a week later.
Mr Gaubert was on his way home from work in Leeds city centre, West Yorks, when he suffered a hypoglycaemic fit and was found slumped in his seat by the bus driver at the end of the route in Headingley, Leeds.
Police were called and two officers, who had been issued with Tasers just a fortnight earlier, boarded the empty bus and used the weapon twice on Mr Gaubert after he failed to respond to instructions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_artic le_id=494199&in_page_id=1770
He said he was then handcuffed and bundled into a police van and was only taken to hospital after he came round and started to shout that he was ill and needed medical attention.
Officers finally took him to Leeds General Infirmary, but the 34-year-old claims they refused to remove his handcuffs despite being told by a nurse that he was suffering the effects of diabetes.
Mr Gaubert, who is now considering legal action, said he had remained silent until now but had decided to speak out after the Crown Prosecution Service confirmed that no charges would be brought over the incident on July 13, 2005.
The complaint has now been passed to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).
Mr Gaubert said: "I am absolutely disgusted that no action will be taken. I was totally innocent. The only thing that could have made people suspicious was that I had a black rucksack with me.
"But I am a white male, and if I was planning to blow up the bus, why didn't I do it when there were passengers on board?
"I have been told that I am the first person to be Tasered in West Yorkshire.
"Senior officers also told me after the incident that the policeman who came on the bus had been told not to use weapons on me if I did not respond. But they did.
"I think the officers involved just saw it was an opportunity to try out their new toys. It should have been obvious that I was having a hypo and I wear a necklace alerting people I am diabetic.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_artic le_id=494199&in_page_id=1770
"What goes through my mind now is what would have happened if they had been carrying real guns like they were in London. It gives me nightmares."
Mr Gaubert, who runs his own business and lives in Leeds, said he was now forced to take medication and his life "had completely changed" as a result of his ordeal.
He said West Yorkshire Police told him that he had been blasted twice with the weapons because after the first shock he had fallen from his seat and lay face down with one hand underneath his body.
Officers said when he failed to respond to requests to remove his hand, they felt they had to stun him again to ensure it was safe to approach.
Mr Gaubert, whose mother is a magistrate in Rotherham and both his parents are retired GPs, is now being advised by Sheffield law firm Irwin Mitchell.
He said: "I was going to stay quiet, but if this passes without being highlighted then it could happen to someone else. People think the police are always on their side but I was easy target practice.
"I couldn't let them get away with it. I broke down when the de Menezes case was reported recently. I just kept thinking that could have been me."
One of the two officers, who has not been named has been transferred to South Yorkshire Police.
Both South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire Police said they are "in discussions" with the IPCC.
An IPCC spokesman said: "The IPCC managed an investigation into an incident on July 13, 2005 in which West Yorkshire Police discharged a Taser at a man while he sat on a bus in Leeds.
"The man was mistakenly treated as a potential security threat when he was, in fact, in a hypoglycaemic state. The investigation report was submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service in November 2006.
"The CPS returned its initial decision in February 2007 stating that no officers should be charged with any criminal offences. Consideration was then given by the CPS as to whether any offences had been committed under health and safety law.
"A decision was received recently to advise that no charges would be brought under the legislation.
"The IPCC must determine whether any disciplinary matters need to be considered against the officers involved. Initial recommendations regarding discipline put forward by the police forces involved have not been agreed by the IPCC and discussions are ongoing." |
Hhhmmm, errrr, try linking with marky54's post?
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it seems the article has been pulled maybe? it was working fine when i first posted it as i always check.
i reckon merge comments about the story in with the other thread, and bin my posts here and any unrelated post, for the purpose of keeping it all together(up to mods of course just giving my consent on binning me without fear of being labelled as censorship).
my original post is pointless if the link is'nt working therefore useless. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: Stun guns could be issued to all police officers |
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| Quote: | Stun guns could be issued to all police officers
By Jonathan Wynne-Jones and Ben Leapman
Last Updated: 3:44am GMT 03/12/2007
Every police officer could soon be armed with a stun gun.
Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, said it was "pretty clear" that the weapons were more effective for subduing suspects and caused less harm than traditional batons.
Issuing the 50,000-volt electric stun guns to all officers would be a "sensible provision" provided they were properly trained in how to use them, she added.
The weapons, previously used only by specialist firearms officers, have recently been issued to trained regular officers in pilot schemes.
Human rights campaigners argue that they are too dangerous to be issued routinely.
Mrs Smith told Police Review magazine that she "could see a day" when all officers were armed with stun guns. "If police officers could be prevented from injury because they are able to subdue someone more quickly than with other methods, then it would be viable," she said.
"I have talked to some of the police officers I work most closely with and it is pretty clear from what they tell me that even using a baton on someone is likely to be less effective and wreak more damage on the person receiving it. There is a logic here. If we can find a way through it that provides the appropriate training, and if we can be confident, as we have been, about the medical impact… it seems to me like a sensible sort of provision."
The Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers in England and Wales, has called for all officers to be equipped with stun guns. However, in the United States, where they are used widely, more than 150 people have died after being shocked with the weapons. Most of the deaths were put down to factors such as drug use or heart conditions.
Taser International, one maker of the devices, has successfully defended more than 50 legal claims of wrongful death or injury.
Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International UK, said that because stun guns could kill, "they must be treated as lethal weapons. We want an assurance from the Home Office and police chiefs that these weapons will only be issued to trained firearms officers and kept locked in the firearms box." |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/02/ntaser 102.xml
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: Tasers - petition to stop UK cops carrying |
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Hey Guys.. Please sign this if you don't want to see us in the same boat as the US with Taser weapons..
Thanks
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Tasercontrol/
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incidently i witnessed excessive use of force by our police officers in london and when i questioned it.. well you can guess what happened.. I have a complaint logged with the IPCC and have requested any info via freedom of info act. Ive written a statement which i'll post up when i get any CCTV (if they release it)
So yeah.. if they had tasers i guess i would have had 50k volts in me, because apparently thats ok
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Its already statring to leak through in our news so please sign the petition asap.. and encourage friends to do so..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2229041,00.html
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This is the email i have just started.. feel free to send it out, change any deatials you feel necessary to change
| Quote: | Tasers are now being used in this country on innocent people because apparently they are safe… evidence, however, suggests they are not safe and who want 50k volts through their body anyway?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2229041,00.html
70 deaths In the USA last year from taser attacks
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/earlyshow/main648859.shtml
Please sign this petition and forward the email to your friends and family. Weather you agree or not please forward it on to as many people as possible.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Tasercontrol/
We will end up like America. These weapons will be used for compliance on anyone, guilty of a crime or not because the Police suspect you to be a thug or criminal first, you presumed guilty before being proven innocent.. You could think that we can trust our officers but stop and think about the type of people who become police officers nowadays. School ground bullies, people with superiority complexes, ex military, thugs who need a career etc. The police entrance exam is easier than a GCSE, apparently.
Less than 1% of people are true criminals. Violent or thieves.. There really is no need for teasers to be rolled out apart from for greater control over the public. It would be more logical to regulate and allow good citizens to be able to carry their own tasers or pepper spray so they are empowered to defend themselves and others. Remember the Police are generally not there while a crime is being carried out, they arrive after.
If you want the right to defend yourself also sign this one
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/taser-guns/
and this one
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/housedefence/
Please pass it round so we can get more signatories whether you agree or not, let your friends decide for themselves.. Thanks
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: The Police have become the Criminals - PC Roberts. |
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From Cur Ian Blair, Jack Straw and Bernie Kerik on down, from BAE to the 'Guatanamos' euphemistically called immigration detention centres, the police are now firmly on the side of, and/or aiding and abetting criminality.
There would seem to be a direct correlation between the state of police funding and the level of police state. Perhaps we should take a leaf out of the After School Arms Club book and all equip ourselves with tasers and/or taser-proof clothing, to defend our human rights against this rising hoard of government-sanctioned thugs and bullies?
| Quote: | Criminals With Badges
by Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts230.html
Take heed, ye red-blooded American males. The police are operating a new sting designed to destroy your life.
The police are planting attractive women half naked in parks. They entice passing males, engage them in conversation, lay back, spread their legs and rest their feet on the men’s shoulders.
After being as friendly and suggestive as possible, they ask to see your penis.
Don’t show it to them. You are being filmed by police. If you show your penis, you will be arrested as a pervert.
Only American police, judges, and juries could think that responding to a seductress’s invitation is proof of perversion. But, hey, you live in America where Christians believe that killing as many Muslims as possible for Israel is God’s work. Don’t expect a dumb Amerikan jury, or a self-righteous Republican judge, or a mindless law professor to understand entrapment.
No, this is not a joke. It is actually happening. Last May in Berliner Park in Columbus, Ohio, Robin Garrison, a 42-year-old firefighter was lured into arrest by a half naked woman under a tree.
In reporting the story, the idiot – possibly some male-hating feminist – who wrote the headline for ABC News describes the above: "Topless Woman Lured Perverts in Police Sting."
Get that, red-blooded American males. You are a pervert if you show your penis to a woman who is seducing you.
The reporter, Marcus Baram, is not indignant about the sting. Neither is Gabriel Chin, a University of Arizona law professor who says: "It’s not entrapment to give somebody an opportunity to commit a crime."
It was Anglo-Saxons who made laws against entrapment. Thanks to law professors like Chin, gullible reporters and jurors, and corrupt police, prosecutors, and judges, Americans no longer have the protection of law. In the Orwellian world in which we now live, a male who succumbs to female seduction is a pervert.
The American police have never prevented crimes. In olden days, the police solved crimes by finding the guilty party. No more. In our time, the police create crimes. And that is why the US prison population is twice the size of China’s, an authoritarian country with a population four to five times larger than America’s.
And not only in Columbus, Ohio, are crimes created by police. The corrupt New York Police Department ensnared 300 innocents during 2007 via "Operation Lucky Bag." Police place iPods, cell phones, wallets, and shopping bags containing items in New York subway stations. The items appear to be dropped, lost, or abandoned. Anyone who picks up one of the planted items is arrested for "subway grand larceny."
This particular police atrocity is in conflict with New York law, which allows someone who finds property 10 days to turn it in to the police or to find the owner.
The corrupt NYPD says that the property left as bait has not been abandoned, but is the property actively left by an officer who is still in the vicinity.
There you have it. The American Police – "support your local Gestapo" – spend their time engineering false crimes and not investigating real crimes. Americans are more at risk from the police than they are from criminals.
On December 29, I received yet another email from a law-abiding American family harassed by police. The family refused to sell a $75,000 piece of property to a deputy sheriff for $4,000. Farm operations were obstructed. The mother was stopped every time she went out in the car. The son was framed and sent to prison.
Never make the mistake of calling the police, and never get stopped by a traffic cop. You run the risk that he will drop a bag of drugs into you car and arrest you on a drug offense. If you encounter a police officer, be sure you have thousands of dollars with which to buy him off from making false charges. Most police charges are false charges. Americans need to wake up to this fact or the American prison population will outstrip the rest of the world combined.
January 2, 2008
Paul Craig Roberts [send him mail] wrote the Kemp-Roth bill and was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is author or coauthor of eight books, including The Supply-Side Revolution (Harvard University Press). He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He has contributed to numerous scholarly journals and testified before Congress on 30 occasions. He has been awarded the U.S. Treasury's Meritorious Service Award and the French Legion of Honor. He was a reviewer for the Journal of Political Economy under editor Robert Mundell. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions. He is also coauthor with Karen Araujo of Chile: Dos Visiones – La Era Allende-Pinochet (Santiago: Universidad Andres Bello, 2000). |
How many policepersons do you think would transfer their 'allegiance' from Law & Order to Truth & Justice, if they truly understood how infiltrated by criminality their organisations really are?
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| Taser proof clothing, where do I get some. That would be hilarious them 'zapping' you and you just laughing at them. It isn't kevlar is it as that could prove expensive? Maybe there's a market there, I'd buy one that's for sure! |
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Signed and passed on along with other petitions you raised.
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thanks..
I just wrote a better message for this which i sent to some new contacts, for anyone else who would like to send this round
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Well done Lawrence - this petition should have 50 million signatures on it.
By the way, it is spelt "whether" not "weather" in this context as far as I know...
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oops... I really have to start using spell check more. I tend to write fast. Its not my strong point Thanks and i have ammended that
Lets get as much support for this as possible... I don't want us ending up like USA innocent people tased all the time 70+ deaths a year,.
Also, were beating the pro taser petition  )
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| pastoman wrote: | | Taser proof clothing, where do I get some. |
...Done - well, more a declaration of revolution, perhaps? Me? Still clinging to my pacifist ideals, I'm thinking more along the lines of 'metalised' wetsuits...
| Quote: | The State of America: Taser Now Marketed With MP3 player!
Uk Guardian
Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:39 EST
Tasers are fun!
Deborah Kerr in The King And I recommended whistling a happy tune when afraid. Now fearful Americans can sing along to their favourite tracks while shooting anyone who causes them consternation with a 50,000 volt electric charge.
The annual Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas, expected to see more than 140,000 visitors this week, is no stranger to bizarre gadgets but the iTaser - as it has been dubbed - must rank as one of the oddest. It combines a Taser stun gun, used by 12,000 police and security forces worldwide including the Metropolitan police, with an MP3 player and earphones.
Arizona-based Taser International sells the handheld stun guns under the rather hyperbolic banner of 'Changing the World and Protecting Lives'. It maintains that the iTaser "allows for both personal protection and personal music for people on the go".
"Personal protection can be both fashionable and functionable," according to Rick Smith, founder of the company, who also used CES to unveil a new Leopard-print Taser aimed at the more feminine arm of the stun gun-loving community.
Half a million Tasers are already in use across the world despite warnings from Amnesty International that they have been linked to more than 70 deaths in the US. According to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation a further 18 people have died after being stunned by a Taser in Canada.... ... ... |
more Grauniad waffle at:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/jan/08/technology.gadgets?gusr c=rss&feed=networkfront
Perhaps every day has become April 1st in America...
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| Leiff wrote: | Well done Lawrence - this petition should have 50 million signatures on it.
By the way, it is spelt "whether" not "weather" in this context as far as I know... |
I have spellchecked and re-written both messages so feel free to send them round
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| Quote: | | But according to UK police, there have been "no severe or adverse reactions" since Taser was introduced by forces in 2003. |
Well they had better think again. Oh and what was that story about the guy who was in a diabetic coma on a bus and got tasered because he couldnt respond to the police demands (as if you can in the middle of an coma)
| Quote: | | "The man went into the house where he inflicted a more serious injury on himself," said Bedfordshire Police. |
Bit confusing this story? Did he die as a result of the taser or because of the more serious injury he inflicted upon himself?? time will tell
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| fish5133 wrote: | | Did he die as a result of the taser or because of the more serious injury he inflicted upon himself?? time will tell |
Seems like some of us have already passed judgement;
Gestapo Watch - Bedford man killed by police taser
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Seems the taser is innocent after all;
A post-mortem examination found that Mr Petty died from an incision wound to the neck and stab wounds, said police.
A force spokeswoman said: "The pathologist also found that the taser which police used in dealing with the incident was not a contributory factor in his death."
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/?jp=MHEYOJMHIDEY®ional=waterfordne ws
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Whether or not the death in this case was caused by the taser doesn't make much difference. We know how many deaths there have been in the US from them.
Anypone know if we use the same tasers over here?
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| uselesseater wrote: | Whether or not the death in this case was caused by the taser doesn't make much difference. We know how many deaths there have been in the US from them.
Anypone know if we use the same tasers over here? |
It makes a huge difference given the way the thread was headed. This seems to escape you. There was no question raised by it - The Gestapo killed with a taser - end of story.
I saw the follow up piece a week ago and waited for someone to do the right thing and add the conclusion to the story. Instead, it damages the while impetus of the piece if we admit we were wrong - so it goes uncorrected. Even the mainstream media avoided highlighting the whole story. Here we are promoting truth, yet we load the information before establishing the true facts, which then are proven wrong.
This is not balanced evaluative publication of data, it is as biased and untrustworthy as the BBC's coverage of WTC7.
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| telecasterisation wrote: | | uselesseater wrote: | Whether or not the death in this case was caused by the taser doesn't make much difference. We know how many deaths there have been in the US from them.
Anypone know if we use the same tasers over here? |
It makes a huge difference given the way the thread was headed. This seems to escape you. There was no question raised by it - The Gestapo killed with a taser - end of story.
I saw the follow up piece a week ago and waited for someone to do the right thing and add the conclusion to the story. Instead, it damages the while impetus of the piece if we admit we were wrong - so it goes uncorrected. Even the mainstream media avoided highlighting the whole story. Here we are promoting truth, yet we load the information before establishing the true facts, which then are proven wrong.
This is not balanced evaluative publication of data, it is as biased and untrustworthy as the BBC's coverage of WTC7. |
I'm not really bothered about this thread or it's title so yes I guess whatever it is you're on about does escape me.
Thought you might have realised I wasn't refering to this thread or it's title by the way I said 'Whether or not the death in this case was caused by the taser doesn't make much difference' and then went on to actually make the point concerning actual deaths from tasers.
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bump, for another push on this.
looking at America as the example we seem to be following, they are now employing acoustic, sonic and microwave weapons on the streets.. All non lethal so its ok right? I dont think so. We must take a stand here..
200 sigs puts the petition on the PM's desk.. so lets pass this around again.
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