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george New Poster
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I think he will assist in the evolution of what the world should be.. to an extent hes only one man but his ideas are the roots of what politics should be about .. so he is a begining. The Ron Paul Revolution |
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petros Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Mr-Bridger wrote: | `Can anyone answer this- Why has the Bush administration (an admin which embodies Elite thought) been so dismissive of action on Climate Change if it really is a "NWO" plot ?` |
Funny video.
In answer to your question. I think that the answer is the UN. The United States is being run into the ground.
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 04 Jan 2008 at 03:38:23 PM GMT is:
$ 9,213,241,273,098.63
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Joan Veon is a very patriotic American but a republican but she has attended many UN conferences as a journalist. Her views may shed some light. She is not pro-Bush and knows about 9/11. I met her once.
Veons article
Sustainability is a way of controlling the population. If a community or lifestyle is deemed 'unsustainable' it grants the powers that be the ethical grounds for removing the offending individuals.
Quote: | THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS SUSTAINABLE---WHEN THEY GET DONE, EVERYTHING and EVERYONE WILL BE SUSTAINABLE. WHAT DOES THIS NEW BUZZ WORD OF THE ENVIRONMENTALLY CORRECT MEAN? WHAT WILL IT LEAD TO? DO WE 'NEED' IT?
"Sustainable development" describes a MEANS:
* All sources of production and consumption will be controlled
* Each person/family will be monitored for how much food, water, energy, materials, gas, clothing, housing and land they use. This will be weighed against how much they produce - Family dependency ratio
(http://www.womensgroup.org/SUSDEV.html |
The Neo-Cons in the white house are part of the New World Order but only a cog in the mechanism. The principle of 'ordo ab chao' or order out of chaos. Create a problem in order to bring the solution you wanted.
Other Joan Veon.
CAPITALIZING ON SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT - MAKING GOLD OUT OF GREEN
http://www.newswithviews.com/Veon/joan44.htm
http://www.womensgroup.org/PCSD497.html
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george New Poster
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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green is good. world government is good. its just this green and this world government that are bad. |
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Leiff Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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A cold spell soon to replace global warming
03/ 01/ 2008
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html
MOSCOW. (Oleg Sorokhtin for RIA Novosti) – Stock up on fur coats and felt boots! This is my paradoxical advice to the warm world.
Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. It started in the 17th century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak of and no such thing as the hothouse effect. The current warming is evidently a natural process and utterly independent of hothouse gases.
The real reasons for climate changes are uneven solar radiation, terrestrial precession (that is, axis gyration), instability of oceanic currents, regular salinity fluctuations of the Arctic Ocean surface waters, etc. There is another, principal reason—solar activity and luminosity. The greater they are the warmer is our climate.
Astrophysics knows two solar activity cycles, of 11 and 200 years. Both are caused by changes in the radius and area of the irradiating solar surface. The latest data, obtained by Habibullah Abdusamatov, head of the Pulkovo Observatory space research laboratory, say that Earth has passed the peak of its warmer period, and a fairly cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012. Real cold will come when solar activity reaches its minimum, by 2041, and will last for 50-60 years or even longer.
This is my point, which environmentalists hotly dispute as they cling to the hothouse theory. As we know, hothouse gases, in particular, nitrogen peroxide, warm up the atmosphere by keeping heat close to the ground. Advanced in the late 19th century by Svante A. Arrhenius, a Swedish physical chemist and Nobel Prize winner, this theory is taken for granted to this day and has not undergone any serious check.
It determines decisions and instruments of major international organizations—in particular, the Kyoto Protocol to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. Signed by 150 countries, it exemplifies the impact of scientific delusion on big politics and economics. The authors and enthusiasts of the Kyoto Protocol based their assumptions on an erroneous idea. As a result, developed countries waste huge amounts of money to fight industrial pollution of the atmosphere. What if it is a Don Quixote’s duel with the windmill?
Hothouse gases may not be to blame for global warming. At any rate, there is no scientific evidence to their guilt. The classic hothouse effect scenario is too simple to be true. As things really are, much more sophisticated processes are on in the atmosphere, especially in its dense layer. For instance, heat is not so much radiated in space as carried by air currents—an entirely different mechanism, which cannot cause global warming.
The temperature of the troposphere, the lowest and densest portion of the atmosphere, does not depend on the concentration of greenhouse gas emissions—a point proved theoretically and empirically. True, probes of Antarctic ice shield, taken with bore specimens in the vicinity of the Russian research station Vostok, show that there are close links between atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide and temperature changes. Here, however, we cannot be quite sure which is the cause and which the effect.
Temperature fluctuations always run somewhat ahead of carbon dioxide concentration changes. This means that warming is primary. The ocean is the greatest carbon dioxide depository, with concentrations 60-90 times larger than in the atmosphere. When the ocean’s surface warms up, it produces the “champagne effect.” Compare a foamy spurt out of a warm bottle with wine pouring smoothly when served properly cold.
Likewise, warm ocean water exudes greater amounts of carbonic acid, which evaporates to add to industrial pollution—a factor we cannot deny. However, man-caused pollution is negligible here. If industrial pollution with carbon dioxide keeps at its present-day 5-7 billion metric tons a year, it will not change global temperatures up to the year 2100. The change will be too small for humans to feel even if the concentration of greenhouse gas emissions doubles.
Carbon dioxide cannot be bad for the climate. On the contrary, it is food for plants, and so is beneficial to life on Earth. Bearing out this point was the Green Revolution—the phenomenal global increase in farm yields in the mid-20th century. Numerous experiments also prove a direct proportion between harvest and carbon dioxide concentration in the air.
Carbon dioxide has quite a different pernicious influence—not on the climate but on synoptic activity. It absorbs infrared radiation. When tropospheric air is warm enough for complete absorption, radiation energy passes into gas fluctuations. Gas expands and dissolves to send warm air up to the stratosphere, where it clashes with cold currents coming down. With no noticeable temperature changes, synoptic activity skyrockets to whip up cyclones and anticyclones. Hence we get hurricanes, storms, tornados and other natural disasters, whose intensity largely depends on carbon dioxide concentration. In this sense, reducing its concentration in the air will have a positive effect.
Carbon dioxide is not to blame for global climate change. Solar activity is many times more powerful than the energy produced by the whole of humankind. Man’s influence on nature is a drop in the ocean.
Earth is unlikely to ever face a temperature disaster. Of all the planets in the solar system, only Earth has an atmosphere beneficial to life. There are many factors that account for development of life on Earth: Sun is a calm star, Earth is located an optimum distance from it, it has the Moon as a massive satellite, and many others. Earth owes its friendly climate also to dynamic feedback between biotic and atmospheric evolution.
The principal among those diverse links is Earth’s reflective power, which regulates its temperature. A warm period, as the present, increases oceanic evaporation to produce a great amount of clouds, which filter solar radiation and so bring heat down. Things take the contrary turn in a cold period.
What can’t be cured must be endured. It is wise to accept the natural course of things. We have no reason to panic about allegations that ice in the Arctic Ocean is thawing rapidly and will soon vanish altogether. As it really is, scientists say the Arctic and Antarctic ice shields are growing. Physical and mathematical calculations predict a new Ice Age. It will come in 100,000 years, at the earliest, and will be much worse than the previous. Europe will be ice-bound, with glaciers reaching south of Moscow.
Meanwhile, Europeans can rest assured. The Gulf Stream will change its course only if some evil magic robs it of power to reach the north—but Mother Nature is unlikely to do that.
Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin, Merited Scientist of Russia and fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, is staff researcher of the Oceanology Institute.
The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti. _________________ "Democracy is sustained not by public trust but by public scepticism"
George Monbiot |
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petros Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Mr-Bridger wrote: | `Can anyone answer this- Why has the Bush administration (an admin which embodies Elite thought) been so dismissive of action on Climate Change if it really is a "NWO" plot ?` |
Petros wrote: | The Neo-Cons in the white house are part of the New World Order but only a cog in the mechanism. The principle of 'ordo ab chao' or order out of chaos. Create a problem in order to bring the solution you wanted. |
Quote: | One of the conspiracy’s tactics was to seize control of both parties at the primary level. When the conspiracy controls both candidates, it doesn’t care who wins, and the conspirators can keep the voters stirred up in the belief that any political campaign is a real contest.
Obviously, if you control both sides, you can’t lose.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan3.htm |
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landless peasant Moderate Poster
Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 137 Location: southend essex
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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`Can anyone answer this- Why has the Bush administration (an admin which embodies Elite thought) been so dismissive of action on Climate Change if it really is a "NWO" plot ?`
To give life to the paradigm. Remember problem reaction solution. To work it has to be opposed at the highest levels or the paradigm dies. So oppose then slowly give in to the pressure to act, when acting is what you wanna do all along... |
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Mr-Bridger Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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It wasn`t my question, look at the posts before mine |
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Leiff Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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zennon wrote: | Can anyone answer this- Why has the Bush administration (an admin which embodies Elite thought) been so dismissive of action on Climate Change if it really is a "NWO" plot ? |
I'm inclined to think that it is because it's part of the NWO plan to make USA unpopular with the eco-brainwashed so that they won't make a fuss when it is destroyed by the Globalists. _________________ "Democracy is sustained not by public trust but by public scepticism"
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TmcMistress Mind Gamer
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Acrobat, if "less than half" of scientists support man-made global warming (a skewed statistic in the first place) as you say, I'm sure you could find this article, or a similar one, somewhere else other than a site called "great global warming swindle . com". I'm sure that's not biased information at all, after all.
Anyway...
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00020983-B238-1384-B2388341 4B7F0000
information showing that the timescales on which humans have changed the composition of the atmosphere are extremely short compared to the natural time cycles of the climate system," says Thomas Stocker of the University of Bern in Switzerland, who led the research.
Quote: | 2. Less then half of all published scientists endorse the theory that CO2 causes the observed global warming. |
This is outright deceptive and I despise it when people try to use this article as proof of anything. It's amusing that the article you quote tries to portray a figure of 48% of those papers being neutral on the subject as being a damning blow to the theory of man-made global warming. That figure is not shocking in the slightest; not to mention that it's based on a much, much smaller sample than the previous study. Also, it was originally published on the EPW's website; on Republican James Inhofe's blog, no less! Inhofe being notorious for having said that the Bible influences nearly all of his political decisions. It's hilarious how GW skeptics are all too willing to trust the government when it backs up their own notions.
Also, Dr. Klaus-Martin Schulte refuses to answer questions about his connections to the Science and Policy Institute, well known for its anti- global warming stance and connections to the oil industry. Also also, he's an endocrinologist, not a climatologist, and definitely not a "medical researcher".
Here's a good breakdown of the 7% of papers that supposedly reject the 'consensus': http://www.skepticalscience.com/Klaus-Martin-Schulte-and-scientific-co nsensus.html _________________ "What about a dance club that only let in deaf people? It would really only need flashing lights, so they'd save a lot of money on music." - Dresden Codak |
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Leiff Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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TmcMistress wrote: | I'm sure that's not biased information at all, after all.
It's hilarious how GW skeptics are all too willing to trust the government when it backs up their own notions.
Also, Dr. Klaus-Martin Schulte refuses to answer questions about his connections to the Science and Policy Institute, well known for its anti- global warming stance and connections to the oil industry. |
How unbiased can any research be? Somebody is funding it and what is their agenda? (including government funding).
The problem is that the CO2 hysteia is being used by the Globalists to raise taxes and implement further civil control. Take the example of carbon credits for instance where the polluters get free money!
Power firms to pocket £6bn from carbon 'handouts' in new emissions regime
By Danny Fortson, Business Correspondent
Published: 02 January 2008
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article3301065.ece
The UK's biggest polluters will reap a windfall of at least £6bn from rising power prices and the soaring value of carbon under the new European carbon trading scheme that critics say fails to correct the flaws of the system it replaced.
From yesterday, the second phase of the European Trading Scheme (ETS) took effect. Analysts have predicted that the price of carbon for 2008, already trading at about ¿22 per ton, could nearly double under the new regime, which sets much lower emissions ceilings for the participating countries than those that existed under the recently ended first phase. Critics argue, however, that the scheme, under which nearly all allowances are granted free of charge rather than having to be bought by big polluters, has created a distorted market in which the worst offenders will enjoy bumper profits while incurring no extra underlying cost for producing greenhouse gases.
Under the "Phase Two" of the ETS, which runs until 2012, 104 million tonnes in annual carbon allowances have been allocated to the major UK power generators, the single biggest source – about one-third – of the UK's total of CO2 emissions. At ¿22 per ton, those allowances are worth about ¿2.2bn (£1.6bn) annually. That amount could rise dramatically. Analysts at Deut-sche Bank predict that under the more stringent thresholds, the carbon price will rise to ¿35 per ton this year, while UBS forecasts an increase to ¿30.
Under the ETS, companies can sell any excess allowances and pocket the profits. They can also pass on the implied increase to generation costs to customers though higher energy tariffs, thus benefiting from the system without the desired effect of also being encouraged, through the payment of large carbon bills, to invest in new clean generation technologies. Jake Ulrich, the managing director of Centrica, said: "If companies and individuals are to be made to reduce their output of CO2, the ETS needs to be structured to make polluters pay. To do this, we need to eliminate the current free handouts of allowances to emit, which give big windfalls to polluters and do not encourage development of clean generation."
Phase Two is seen as a marked improvement on the 2004-2007 Phase One of the ETS, which was intended as a "test and learn" trial but had long since been written off as a failure. This was due in large part to a faulty structure under which each country, seeking to protect its domestic industries, was allowed to set its own artificially high carbon emissions allowances. The upshot was a glut of carbon credits – granted based on those inflated estimates – that led to the price sinking to as low as ¿1 per ton and essentially obliterating the intended effect of making emissions a serious cost for big polluters.
Under the phase two regime, up to 10 per cent of the credits allocated to each country can be auctioned off. Each country also had to submit for EU approval its emissions levels and the percentage of credits it expected it would need to meet the new targets. Yet critics say that by granting nearly all allowances – 93 per cent of UK credits will be given gratis, with the remainder auctioned – phase two does not adequately address the primary failing of phase one. Mr Ulrich said: "We want to see [free allowances] end from 2012 and instead [to] introduce 100 per cent auctioning in the power sector."
The next crucial development in the evolution of the ETS comes on 23 January, when the EU is expected to publish new draft directives for Phase Three of the scheme. Some power companies, as well as the UK Government, have lobbied for the full auctioning of carbon credits from 2013. They argue that that is the only way in which the true value of carbon can be established and will be a vital component of future investment decisions on clean energy technologies. Big emitters, such as Drax, would be sev-erely hobbled by such a regime.
An 850mw clean coal power plant that is equipped with carbon capture technology, for example, can cost up to £1.5bn to build, three times what it would cost to build a comparable coal-fired plant. Without a true, market-based price of carbon, companies will be unwilling to invest such sums. An industry source said: "We need a much higher carbon price for the economics to make sense."
In America this month, the Senate will begin debating the Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act, a proposed cap-and-trade system similar to the ETS. _________________ "Democracy is sustained not by public trust but by public scepticism"
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TmcMistress Mind Gamer
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Globalists devising carbon credits as a means of getting more money is unsurprising, but it's not proof that anthropogenic global warming is false, either. _________________ "What about a dance club that only let in deaf people? It would really only need flashing lights, so they'd save a lot of money on music." - Dresden Codak |
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Guys CO2 only makes up 0.05% of the atmosphere. With some sound logic you'll quickly come to the conclusion that the sun is at work creating other solar system wide changes. CO2 is the fall back mechanism for the NWO in case terrorism fails to scare us into submission. |
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Leiff Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, and the man made portion is a tiny fraction of the 0.05%...
Global Warming Cult = Eco-Fascists _________________ "Democracy is sustained not by public trust but by public scepticism"
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