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Craig W
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | Blackcat, regarding Dov Zakheim, his tenure as Comptroller of the Pentagon began in May 2001 |
| Quote: | Think of this as part two of Recherche du trillions perdu, my Online Journal article on Dov Zakheim, former Bush appointee as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books. That story, as I mentioned, was buried under 9-11’s rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim’s watch.
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Jerry Mazza appears very confused. The $1trillion figure is the reduced figure after Zakheim and his team had thus far tracked down $1.3trillion. So the figure should be subtracted from the original figure and not added.
Similarly Mazza states "the two sums (which were actually the same money - CW) disappeared on Zakheim's watch". This is obvious nonsense. Firstly, the money hasn't disappeared it was merely untrackable under the accounting systems until Zakheim implemented various changes and set about tracking it. Secondly, even if it were genuinely gone and not just untracked (as was the case), it couldn't possible have all "gone" under Zakheim's watch as the figure was several times the entire yearly defense budget at the time and had been reported missing in January of 2001, before he was even appointed.
| Quote: | Judicial Inc’s bio of Dov (linked below) tells us Zakheim was/is a dual Israeli/American citizen and an ordained rabbi and had been tracking the halls of US government for 25 years, casting defense policy and influence on Presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. He is, as I described him earlier, the bionic Zionist. In fact, Judicial Inc points out that most of Israel’s armaments were gotten thanks to him. Squads of US F-16 and F-15 were classified military surplus and sold to Israel at a fraction of their value.
Judicial Inc also points out that Israel, a country of 4.8 million Russian and Polish Jewish émigrés, flies on one of the biggest Air Forces in the world, thanks to Dov. Conflict of interest here? Depends on what you’re interested in. That is, in 2001 Dov was CEO of SPS International, part of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor majoring in electronic warfare technologies, including remote-controlled aircraft systems, and the notorious Flight Termination System (FTS) technology that could hijack even a hijacked plane and land or crash it wherever |
I am aware of much of Zakheim's connections and past. I don't know what you think quoting all this from a totally unreferenced site proves. It certainly doesn't prove that the $2.3trillion lost money conspiracy angle has any validity.
| Quote: | | Because the people who were subsequently murdered were patriots and they were making life difficult and demanding explanations? Yes it is speculation - like I speculate that 2 plus 2 equals 4. |
So you think that suggesting that the "patriots" killed in the Pentagon were on to the $2.3trillion heist and were killed because of it is as certain as 2 + 2 = 4?! How did the perps know that all the relevant staff would be killed (if indeed they were)? How did they know the info wouldn't survive on computers and paper files (if indeed it didn't)? Was it just coincidence that they happened to be at the recently reinforced and under-manned area (which seem like better reasons to hit that area to me)?
Oh, and the info you provided confirms Zakheim started at the Pentagon in May 2001 a nd could not therefore have been responsible for losses which were reported in January 2001 (see the earlier PBS report).
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Sorry, for straying off topic but I didn't know where else to post this little gift from 1968 for stelios
I'm a huge fan of Ron Cobb and have just been inspired to expand the Cobb section of my site:
http://www.flamesong.com/humour/cobb01.html
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| Quote: | | Jerry Mazza appears very confused. The $1trillion figure is the reduced figure after Zakheim and his team had thus far tracked down $1.3trillion. So the figure should be subtracted from the original figure and not added. |
Zakheim has not "tracked down" any $1 trillion. It has been creatively accounted away. In the last few years there has been an attempt to whitewash this whole scandal and paint Zakheim as the man who has been responsible for "finding" the missing money. I can see I am going to have to go over all the same ground I did several years ago in order to try to uncover the layers of whitewash that have been applied since. The $2.3 trillion went "missing" under his watch. It does not have to be from the annual budget. Huge amounts of stock in the form of planes and armaments went "missing". Stealing goods with a value is still to be accounted for.
| Quote: | | How did the perps know that all the relevant staff would be killed (if indeed they were)? How did they know the info wouldn't survive on computers and paper files (if indeed it didn't)? |
They didn't. Btw - the staff killed and their functions can easily be checked if you are bothered. As for recods surviving - I think that can easily be dealt with when you have the control these monsters have. What they could not control were patriots who were on to them.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/pentagon.victims .html
I prefer to agree with Cynthis Mckinney's views on this rather than wikipedias propaganda. You want to believe that an announcement just happens to be made on the evening of Sep 10th 2001 and the following day "something" blows up the very part of the Pentagon where all the records are, and the people working on exposing, it that's fine. They hit that part because it was reinforced? That's why they did it?
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| blackcat wrote: | http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/pentagon.victims .html
I prefer to agree with Cynthis Mckinney's views on this rather than wikipedias propaganda. You want to believe that an announcement just happens to be made on the evening of Sep 10th 2001 and the following day "something" blows up the very part of the Pentagon where all the records are, and the people working on exposing, it that's fine. They hit that part because it was reinforced? That's why they did it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA |
I agree too, although obviously they have not robbed all the $2.3 trillion the fact is alot of dosh has been stolen and the US taxpayer is the victim. This missing billions/trillions is one of the main reasons for the 911 event and the public needs to be informed.
The world trade centre made several billions in profits for the perps and wtc7 got rid of all the enron and worldcom evidence as well as other fraud cases.
But the pentagon is the biggest robbery as somehow records have been destroyed making tracking this money very hard. How on earth would guys living in caves in Afghanistan know to fire the cruise missile exactly at that part of the building?
Zakheim is one of the ringleaders of 911 and should be serving 3000 life sentances today.
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | Jerry Mazza appears very confused. The $1trillion figure is the reduced figure after Zakheim and his team had thus far tracked down $1.3trillion. So the figure should be subtracted from the original figure and not added. |
Zakheim has not "tracked down" any $1 trillion. It has been creatively accounted away. In the last few years there has been an attempt to whitewash this whole scandal and paint Zakheim as the man who has been responsible for "finding" the missing money. I can see I am going to have to go over all the same ground I did several years ago in order to try to uncover the layers of whitewash that have been applied since. The $2.3 trillion went "missing" under his watch. It does not have to be from the annual budget. Huge amounts of stock in the form of planes and armaments went "missing". Stealing goods with a value is still to be accounted for. |
If it "went missing under his watch", which you have already agree started in May 2001, could you explain how it was reported in this report of a debate on military funding dated February 12th 2001? The fact that Isaacs is referring to something the inspector general of the Pentagon said means that this missing/untracked money must have been discussed previous even to this date. So how could Zakheim be responsible for it?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june01/dollars_2-12.html
| Quote: | | JOHN ISAACS:...There's still huge accounting problems in the Pentagon. They don't even know how much money they have or are spending. The inspector general of the Pentagon said there are 2.3 trillion dollars in items that they can't quite account for. That's not billion. That's trillion dollars. $2.3 trillion -- and the General Accounting Office said there are about $27 billion in inventory items that they can't find. |
| Quote: | | Quote: | | How did the perps know that all the relevant staff would be killed (if indeed they were)? How did they know the info wouldn't survive on computers and paper files (if indeed it didn't)? |
They didn't. Btw - the staff killed and their functions can easily be checked if you are bothered. As for recods surviving - I think that can easily be dealt with when you have the control these monsters have. What they could not control were patriots who were on to them.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/pentagon.victims .html |
I am aware that many accountants and book-keepeers were killed. That proves nothing.
| Quote: | I prefer to agree with Cynthis Mckinney's views on this rather than wikipedias propaganda. You want to believe that an announcement just happens to be made on the evening of Sep 10th 2001 and the following day "something" blows up the very part of the Pentagon where all the records are, and the people working on exposing, it that's fine. They hit that part because it was reinforced? That's why they did it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA |
I don't want to believe anything. It is what fits the evidence best imo. Some coincidences are just coincidences. Reinforced and partly empty, possibly, yes.
Apologies for hijacking this thread. If the mods want us to transfer to another, perhaps someone could switch the relevant posts to a new thread.
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Agreed - overall I thought the video was excellent. it deconstructs each part of the BBC programme very thoroughly and at the same time manages to cover pretty much every suspicious aspect of 9/11. if you watch one after the other it's very powerful.
there are a few minor faults with the presentation (as poined out by Craig W above) - but the positives far outweigh the negatives.
the only minor criticism I'd add is about the claim that there is no publically available cctv footage of the hijackers at any of the airports that the hijacked planes took off from. footage of the flight 77 hijackers going through security at Dulles airport was released in 2004 and is shown near the start of the BBC programme. you can argue about the authenticity of this footage (which has no date or time stamps on it) but I don't think that there's any point denying that it exists. |
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I thought the video was well-produced, well edited, well mixed and well presented. It does a good job of exposing BBC dishonesty in reporting.
I also thought it was very clear in its aims. To make the point that the US government alone was responsible for 911. No mention of Zakheim being in charge of the 2.3 trillion that Rumsfeld admitted to on the best 'bad news' day of the century far, far less that he is an ordained Rabbi with family connections to Jewish terrorism, flight control systems and Boeing planes (2.3 trillion can buy a lot of flight control and aircraft). No mention of the explosives found in the van - the implication was that the Israelis 'documenting the event' knew it was going to happen (maybe got inside info on Bush's 'inside job')? So - kinda hard and ruthless (like you would expect a nation fighting for its survival to be) but not actually 'involved'..
(Though how Americans will react to even this limited hangout given the enormous sums they give their 'best friend' is a moot point...)
There is a swathe of well-produced videos pushing this version of 911 truth - the Peak Oil/911 video doing the rounds (also with Shayler) is getting traction. And what was 911 denier Palast doing in this video?
Clever stuff. This video will help open the door in a direction that will help bring about the downfall of the US. 'The Great Satan'.
I wonder who really came up with that soundbite...
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Excellent film. Brilliant work by Adrian and David.
Thanks.......what an effort. |
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| If anyone wants this great doc on dvd, drop me a PM and i`ll pop a copy in the post. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: Send to MP's |
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Just finished watching the whole film, absolutely brilliant, well done, hearty congratulations chaps.
Have just e-mailed the link to Dan Rogerson, our MP for North Cornwall, whom I've been in correspondence with regarding his (and indeed all the Cornish MP's) non-attendance at the talk by William Rodriguez in Cornwall last Sunday evening.
The other MP's will be getting this link with their own letters being prepared regarding their shameful non-attendance (although I have to say that Colin Breed, MP for East Cornwall, did have a credible and understandable excuse, so he is in a different category).
May I suggest that this link http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-1882365905982811133&hl =en-GB
gets sent to all our MP's, up and down the country. Just why are these gutless MP's so silent on the 911 issues and questions???
Well done Mr-Bridger, this is a powerful weapon in our arsenal. |
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I am hoping someone can start doing mass copies. I don't have that capability but would be willing to buy a few dozen!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: Acclaim for David Shayler's Film |
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Just watched this for the second time (it's now on 911blogger also) and am still feeling blown away that such great pieces of work come (apparently) parachuting in out of the blue like this. To me it just demonstrates the all pervading strength of feeling and unrelenting determination that exists for this case to be heard fairly. I'm starting to be thankful that the BBC ran their hit piece if it's going to trigger this kind of stuff from the grass roots.
There is a section starting at about 33 minutes which is a very refreshing treatease on the building 7 debate because it illustrates how, ironically, the BBC's bias presents the independent researches with a great opportunity to present their case. I've just never seen defenders of the official case so comprehensively demolished (no pun intended) without even trying.
The reason I feel this documentary moves the debate a whole step forward is because it doesn't try too hard to promote the 'inside job' case (i.e. a conclusion) but rather concentrates on trying to bring the media to account for hiding the fact that there is a genuine debate going on.
This is very strong ground to stand on:
A] - because the media's case rests solely on faith in the integrity of the government line while most of the evidence to support that line is being withheld from the public domain
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B] - both defenders of the official story and the mainstream media's main line of argument has always been to avoid debate and pretend that there is no real controversy rather than to present evidence. If they eventually get drawn in to actually arguing the case for real, more anomalies are going to be exposed than answered
Finally, D.S.'s concluding remarks are very well made -
. . . 'the BBC took a particular view on a controversial matter of public interest. This is in clear contravention of it's own guidelines'
- it really is a great summing up of the situation and I find it hard to believe that it won't resonate with at least some key people in the corporation. |
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I think its FANTASTICALLY finished!
The name change was the first thing that made me smile. I suppose this final finished version focused much more on the BBC, so perhaps was more appropriate. |
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| Jacob wrote: | | ...even some triphop... |
Triphop? Is that somewhere between lihop and mihop?
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I just watched the 2gig version from a torrent and thought it was really well done. Nice and calmly narrated - which is kind of how it should be at this stage - makes the BBC's little digs at conspiracies show up as absurd.
Anyone know if they paid for the 1984 film stock footage or was it bootlegged? Just interested - not making a judgement . Maybe if it was just used no-one will say anything.
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I`ve been looking on conspiracycentral.net for that torrent but can`t find it. I`ve tried the link you posted and searched using the search function but can`t see it. Has it been removed or am I searching for the wrong thing? I searched using David Shayler and also using "9/11 & The British Broadcasting Conspiracy" but no luck with either. |
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| GlenAffric wrote: |
I`ve been looking on conspiracycentral.net for that torrent but can`t find it. I`ve tried the link you posted and searched using the search function but can`t see it. Has it been removed or am I searching for the wrong thing? I searched using David Shayler and also using "9/11 & The British Broadcasting Conspiracy" but no luck with either. |
Well we are talking 7 months ago Glen, so its no suprising
Not sure where to put your hands on this at the mo, but I'm sure someone will pop up with an answer for you
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