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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: US War Preparations in Kosovo... Reply with quote

Whilst Russians arrive with aircraft carriers in the Meditteranean

According to various reports the French consul in Greece has criticised the citizens of Thessaloniki of not being allowed to repeat the blockade of ports for the NATO arming of the Kosovars in Serbia.

This is because at the same time strikes have broken out against the privatisation of Greek ports and this is disrupting the flow of containers to Kosovo.

The Serbs will be obliged to defend the 40% of the 100,000 Serbs that live in Northern Kosovo and cut off energy and water supplies to this region of Serbia. This will obviously trigger a NATO response and Bush's visit to Turkey soon is to see how they can help out the situation by providing logistics even military support.

This though is having a knock on effect on the Greek government which is now between a rock and a hard place, being obliged to support its NATO backers at the same time as committing harakiri over the issue of Macedonia-FYROM.

If the Kosovars gain 'independence' (more like total dependency on the USA-NATO) they will seek to trigger the same type of intercine conflict in old Yugoslav Macedonia splitting that into two and then moving forward to trigger a union with parts of Greece and Albania proper.

The whole issue boils down now to how far NATO will push their luck with Russian presence in the area and whether the Russian agree to position military armour in Serbia proper, like they did with Cuba in the 1960's...

Soon we will know.
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Our man from CAFOD who worked out there has a lot to say o this very subject.

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What happened when NATO occupied first occupied Kosovo.
Illuminating is the fact that Bernard Kouchner now (Foreign Minister of France) was then UN Envoy....

http://emperors-clothes.com/misc/savethe.htm
Interviews with three Serbian women from Kosovo...

Nightmare by Design: NATO's Takeover of the Kosovo Town of Orahovac

Interviewer, Jared Israel
Translator, Petar Makara

[Originally posted November 1999.
New introduction added, 9 December 2003]

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Introduction

Below are TENC's October 1999 interviews with three Serbian women from the Kosovo town of Orahovac. They recount how, prior to the June 1999 NATO-UN takeover of Kosovo, they believed NATO's promise that it would institute multi-ethnic harmony. They discovered too late that for NATO multi-ethnic meant rule by the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA).

In September, TENC had published its first interview with an eye-witness to the NATO-UN Kosovo takeover: Cedomir Prlincevic, President of the Jewish community and Chief Archivist in Pristina, capital of Kosovo.

Mr. Prlincevic described how he and the rest of the small Jewish community were driven from their homes, losing everything; how the KLA terrorists stormed through the immense housing complex where his family lived, while British NATO officers and troops just stood by, watching. [1]

In late October 1999, Mr. Prlincevic and I addressed a mass meeting in Amsterdam. There I described what three members of the Women's Humanitarian Committee on Orahovac had told me in phone interviews, that NATO had turned their Kosovo town, Orahovac, into a brutal prison camp for Serbs and Roma ('Gypsies'), with the KLA as prison guards.

To neutralize the effect of this public meeting, which included members of Parliament, Colonel Tony van Loon, then commander of Dutch NATO troops in Orahovac, gave an interview to Trouw, a leading daily. He dismissed our accusations, claiming that NATO had done wonders in Orahovac, so that now, "People want to go on [with normal life], a fact I have found very positive." [2]

We sent the Trouw article to the women from Orahovac and published their replies to some of Van Loon's statements. [2] (Trouw then interviewed the Orahovac women as well. That, unfortunately, has not yet been translated into English.)

Below are the original Orahovac interviews. I have added some comments Emperor's Clothes received from a Serbian diplomat who, in the summer of 1999, traveled to Orahovac in the employ of a European diplomatic service. He uses the pseudonym, 'Zoran.'

To this day, while the Western media has written about the epidemic of gangsterism in post-1999 Kosovo, there has been little or no discussion of the day-to-day reign of terror against the remaining Serbs, many of whom are incarcerated in towns like Orahovac.

-- Jared Israel
16 July 2006

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The Women of Orahovac

Interviewer: Jared Israel
Translator: Peter Makara

Interview #1 - Natasha Grkovic

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The first woman we interviewed was Natasha Grkovic, age 27. An Orahovac native, she studied in Belgrade until December 1998, then returned home. She was there in June 1999 when the Yugoslav Army retreated under the terms of the "peace" agreement and KFOR occupation forces arrived. (KFOR is NATO in Kosovo.)

She told us that most Serbian residents (about 3000) stayed when NATO marched in, believing there had to be some truth to NATO propaganda, hoping for the best...

* Natasha *

"Maybe a thousand or more Serbs left. Orahovac is unique in that so many did stay. That’s because we believed KFOR's guarantees that we would be safe. When it became clear that things weren’t going to be that way, people wanted to leave but they were not allowed. In addition to the Serbs, 500 to 1000 Roma, or 'Gypsies', also stayed."

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Why Serbs stayed in Orahovac

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* Natasha *

"From April on our telephone connections as well as Serbian radio and TV were cut off thanks to NATO bombing. We had little information about what was happening in the rest of the country. We heard that after the June Peace Agreement was signed there was a massive exodus of Serbs from [the Kosovo city of] Prizen and elsewhere but we couldn’t verify it so we wondered if it was true. Meanwhile, we were constantly being told by the Western media that our security would be guaranteed - for instance, by Voice of America, which we heard via satellite connections. They used phrases about multiethnic, multicultural society and their Democracy and promised first to disarm the KLA [Kosovo Liberation Army], then to establish their laws.

"The morning before KFOR arrived there was a meeting of their representatives with the Mayor, a Serb, plus other Serbs including the head of the winery. KFOR said that in two days or so life would return to normal. The next day our homes were burning."

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KFOR (NATO) arrives, bringing the KLA and terror

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* Natasha *

"With KFOR, the KLA [Kosovo Liberation Army] came. The same day. Some of our Albanian neighbors appeared in KLA uniforms. We were horrified. Suddenly we didn’t feel safe in the mixed section of Orahovac so we moved to the Serbian part.

"As we were leaving we saw, already, Serbian houses being burned. KFOR did nothing. We complained. They said they didn’t have enough people. Soon more NATO troops arrived but the situation stayed the same for a month. Over a hundred houses were burned. And they robbed whatever they could. A few 'Gypsy' [Roma] houses were burned too. Twenty-five people who stayed in the mixed section were kidnapped, plus their houses were burned too.

"Slowly we realized the extent of the mistake we’d made in not leaving. Every day KFOR offered new excuses for not protecting us. They said: 'We can’t put guards in front of every house. We can’t give every Serb an armed guard.'

"The KFOR checkpoint is close to the [Serbian] ghetto. KFOR guards the entrance and exit to this Serbian area. Plus there are barricades, which the Albanians put up. First you hit KFOR and second you hit the Albanian barricades. KFOR supplied tents for the Albanians who are sitting on those barricades. And they ran electric wiring into those tents to provide current."

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From the report from Zoran, the diplomatic aide

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* Zoran *

"Albanian roadblocks outside Orahovac are [set up in] former German/Dutch fortified checkpoints. I can not imagine that Albanians could have taken control of those without [KFOR's] tacit approval – or instigation. The organizing committee at the roadblocks is armed. Heavier weapons are kept in hundreds of tents erected around the barricades – supposedly for women and children. Muscular men in sport suits patrolling the site carry small firearms under their jackets."

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Conditions in the ghetto

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* Natasha *

"We were kept in this Serb enclave. My parents can come out on the streets but that’s dangerous; two people were wounded just being outside the house. Those who have tried to escape simply disappeared.

"There is no phone service to Belgrade. The only food is from humanitarian sources. One 'Gypsy' tried to ship food from the Albanian to the Serbian section; some extreme Albanian group told him, 'No food for the Serbs!' Near the beginning we would send some Albanian kid to buy stuff for us. But the kid would be beaten up and they would tell him 'Don't do that again!'

"The ghetto is 500 yards, squared. Water is erratic: once in three days for two or three hours.

"During the first days there were lots of reporters. Later there were fewer; I spoke to a Reuters' journalist twice. The second time he said the first interview had been all censored and crossed out."

* More from Zoran *

"In the first days after KFOR's arrival, five Orahovac Serbs were killed and ten abducted under the watchful eyes of German troops. Serbs aren't even allowed to go to the market or grocery store 50 meters away. The considerable Gypsy population, together with the Serbs, suffers equally."

* Natasha *

"The only thing that KFOR did was organize a shipment of bread to the Serbian part. They were very proud of it. We only see KFOR in the street; there are no meetings. The Albanians are in charge. They took everything. You occasionally have small KFOR patrols but Headquarters is in the Albanian section."

* Zoran *

"In Orahovac itself the former police station has been turned into a KLA HQ. The local KLA commander, the man who runs this town, is a mass murderer named Ismet Hara, responsible for last year’s abductions and brutal killings of over 60 Serbian civilians from Orahovac (the bodies of most are still missing), some of whom – it is reasonably believed – he personally executed.

"Serbs say they recognize many local Albanians in the ranks of the German KFOR. Probably KLA members recruited in Albania…KFOR denies this…I’ve personally seen KLA Commanders with their escort – all [illegally] armed – entering KFOR bases with KFOR ID cards and never a delay."

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De-fanging the victim

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* Zoran *

"Early in the KFOR/KLA occupation, Dutch/German Baklava Units gave local Serbs 24 hours to hand in all their weapons. (Note that the KLA has been given 3 months and still counting….) The naïve Serbs complied. A few weeks later, the Dutch/German troops entered the Serbian quarter in broad daylight, fired some warning shots over the heads of Serbs who were gathered near a church and dragged people from their houses. Serbian witnesses say they grabbed people by the hair and pulled them out while kicking them…

"The Dutch/German troops arrested the Serbian Mayor and two other Serbs, accusing them of ‘war crimes’. There is no credible evidence to support these charges, though the Albanian side has spread rumors that documents discovered in a cellar of one house implicated the Mayor."

[I asked Natasha about Zoran's remarks. -JI]

* Natasha *

"Yes, that arrest was spectacular, just like that. I heard that KFOR had masks. They arrested the doctor and the Mayor [and a restaurant owner.] They accused them of war crimes.

"Nine people were seized altogether. The second group of six was just ordinary people. They had been working with the International Red Cross, which wants to evacuate old and sick people. The six were told they could leave. Then KFOR arrested them at the checkpoint."

* Zoran *

"From reliable international sources I learned the arrests are an attempt to turn these people into 'important witnesses' in a made-up war crimes case against Serbs, not because of real evidence.

"Here’s the strategy: first they isolate the Serbs, then they wear them out, then they kick them out – after extracting the people Albanians accuse of being ‘war criminals’. To this end, they come up with all kinds of justifications for keeping the last remaining Serb civilians in this monstrous new ghetto."

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Revealing incidents

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* Natasha *

"The people who left the mixed part of the town that first day didn’t have time to take any luggage or personal belongings. Not even personal documents. A lower level German officer who was friendly and kind did provide us with an armed escort [so we could get some basic necessities] and even helped with luggage. But soon after that he disappeared; we [Serbs] never saw him again.

"In another case a common Dutch soldier saw an Albanian coming from a burning house. The Dutch soldier wanted to shoot at the arsonist but his officer stopped him, and they quarreled. We didn’t see that soldier later either. Their practice in general was that they would change the people who patrol the Serbian area with the intention obviously that these people not get friendly with the Serbs.

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Routine Brutality

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* Natasha *

"In another case a Serbian woman was about to deliver. She wanted to go to the maternity ward in the Orahovac hospital. Ever since KFOR’s arrival, Albanians comprise the entire staff at this hospital. She got a KFOR escort and was taken to this local hospital; they said it would be a difficult delivery and to go to the larger town, Prizen. KFOR provided escort to Prizen. The delivery was difficult and in front of KFOR the hospital staff said that she should stay for at least 24 hours but as soon as KFOR had left, they kicked her out into the corridor. So she spent the night on a bench with the new baby."

[Natasha then recounted that after KFOR finally brought this woman and her baby back to Orahovac, a relative protested to a Dutch commanding officer over her treatment. The officer replied: "She's alive isn’t she? Why complain?"]

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Natasha travels to Orahovac in a convoy

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In August 1999, Natasha fled from Orahovac to Belgrade. There she and other women with relatives in Orahovac pressed the Yugoslav government to intervene. The government negotiated with KFOR for two convoys of women to go to Orahovac with KFOR escort.

Natasha went on the second trip. After a brief visit to relatives in Orahovac, the women met at the Serbian Orthodox Church in the Serbian ghetto so that KFOR could take them back to the checkpoint.

* Natasha *

"I was there visiting my parents for three hours after a whole night of traveling and harassment: more time [spent] at KFOR’s checkpoint then with my family. After the visit a crowd gathered at the church. They wanted their children to leave Orahovac. KFOR didn’t want a scene so they let us get on the truck with the children. It was quite crowded.

"Back at the checkpoint, they divided us women from the children. They made a list of the people who came in with the convoy, and they said those people could leave but the children had to go back [to Orahovac]."

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Bureaucrats, terror and snakes.

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* Natasha *

"The children started crying; they wanted to go with us. We tried to convince KFOR to let the children go; they said if one "extra" person leaves they would not provide an [armed] escort.

"And already Albanians were gathering around, kind of watching what was happening. And it was getting dark.

"The trick was that the KFOR would bring us back only to our bus and from there on it would be completely unsafe.

"The whole scene was one of horror, the children crying, us women trying to convince KFOR. The Dutch commander shouted:

'ENOUGH! Just those who came should go back on the truck and the children must go back where they came.'

So there was more crying and the women were crying and shouting, and he screamed: 'ENOUGH!' The children were forced to go back."

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Interview #2 - Mirjana
[Surname withheld]

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Mirjana, whom we interviewed second, said the women went next to Pristina, the capital of Kosovo. Six women met with a Mr. Ivancev. (Mirjana was not sure how to spell his name.) Ivancev was an assistant to Bernard Kouchner, head of UN operations in Kosovo, appointed by Kofi Anan.

* Mirjana *

"We told him that this really felt like a concentration camp and that this should happen at the gate to the 21st century was astonishing. Each told her story separately. He said he didn't know too much about Serbs in Orahovac; he was at that duty only a month and a half. We told him it’s actually a humanitarian catastrophe. He was apologetic.

"He wrote down all we said. He said he’d be talking to Mr. Kouchner in the afternoon and would then contact us. We gave him our mobile phone number and told him where we were staying. He promised to call.

"He did respect his word and called about 5 or 6. He talked to our translator Aleksander and apologized because it was Tuesday and he couldn’t go before Friday. We agreed to meet him Friday noontime at the Turkish checkpoint [at or near Pristina].

[Natasha reported that a Yugoslav representative in Pristina, Mr. Tomovich, negotiated with KFOR for an armed escort as well as the presence of a doctor and medical supplies on the trip. - JI]

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Conditions in Prisitna, Capital of Kosovo Province

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* Mirjana *

"We stayed in the Serb-run 'Center for Peace and Tolerance'. The conditions were quite awful. We didn’t have a place to sleep. We didn’t have water, [electrical] current or food. It was really quite difficult but we kept in our minds the conditions of our families in Orahovac so we were just waiting for this Friday to come so we could go and see our families again and try and help our families.

"Right across from the Center were food stores. But we couldn't cross the street and buy because we were Serbs. So we gave the soldiers money to go buy stuff for us. Our translators or these soldiers would cross the street and buy apples or something."

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KFOR changes its mind

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* Mirjana *

"Four in the morning the water came and we quickly [washed and] got ready. 9:30 in the morning we got out in the yard to wait for KFOR escort. Two Yugoslav representatives waited with us. But the escort did not come. Ten in the morning came; eleven came; 11:30. We were losing hope that we’d be able to get to the Turkish checkpoint at noon. Our representative [name unintelligible] said it seemed that the German KFOR troops [in command at Orahovac] were now demanding a signed permission by the International Red Cross for us to get to Orahovac.

"We saw that something had failed. So we said to a British Captain, he was in uniform, 'Give us an escort; let’s go now!'

"So that guy, whom we would be able to recognize now among a million NATO troops, went to KFOR headquarters. And he came back and asked, 'Could you perhaps go to Orahovac tomorrow but without an escort and without a translator; and if you agree, you must respect whatever orders the German command there in Orahovac gives you.' It would be just us without an escort. Just the women, without even the doctor. We were to come at 8 AM and strictly obey the German command.

"So we said even that way we would go but we wanted a written document where the conditions would be spelled out. This British officer said: no written document. We insisted. He said no.

"Another night was coming. When it was obvious that these negotiations would fail, we said, 'All right, give us an escort so we can go back to the rest of Serbia.' Immediately he said OK; in 45 minutes we would get an escort.

"You see we had insisted a document exist so that in case we disappeared there would at least be a record. The bus we were using was from Serbia, with large Cyrillic letters. So it really sounded like that, that we would disappear. They could spin the story this way: they had tried to arrange a trip that was guarded but the women insisted on going on their own against KFOR’s wishes and then this terribly regrettable thing happened. Due to the Albanians’ desire for revenge against the Serbian oppressors, etc., etc. It was so transparent that even a little child could see through it. We had hoped that on this trip we would find some good people among the occupation forces, that there could be some good people but we saw that there are none."

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Interview #3 - Simca Kazazic

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Simca Kazazic has lived in Belgrade for many years but maintained close ties with family and friends in Orahovac, calling and visiting frequently.

* Simca *

"Until the ninth of April [1999, two weeks after the bombing started] I had phone contact. After that I was just guessing. The connection between Belgrade and Pristina worked almost all the time but in this Metohija area, going towards Albania, the phone lines were down. During the bombing our contact was through the mail; it took 20 days, sometimes a month, but we kept in touch. You have to understand that since June [1999] we’ve been pressuring the Yugoslav government to organize some visit there."

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Simca was one of two women who took part in the first jounrey back to Orahovac

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* Simca *

"On this trip there were just two women from Orahovac. I was one. We had three large trucks with humanitarian supplies. When we got to the Dutch checkpoint in Orahovac the Dutch officer said one of the trucks could proceed into the Serbian area but that we, the two women, could not. They would unload the truck to see what was on it and then they would let in the second truck.

"I was afraid I would not be able to see my relatives at all. I started to cry and I begged one of the soldiers: "Please. Please." And he just waved his hand as if to say, "Go back to the group, go back to the others."

"Suddenly I saw this man nearby, a civilian; he was my Serbian neighbor and I was surprised. His face is maybe similar to an Albanian. I said, 'How come you can roam around?' 'And he said, 'Oh, they’re confused; they think I’m an Albanian.' So he was free and I said, 'Look, please don’t tell my mother I’m here.' My mother has a heart problem. I didn’t want my neighbor to tell her that I’m there and then if I’m not able to see them she might get sick.'

"When Albanians go through this checkpoint they’re not even stopped. They just wave and KFOR waves back; it’s just us that are stopped. Albanians clap their hands and shout 'NA –TO! NA – TO!' And the Dutch people are very friendly towards the Albanians.

"This neighbor of mine did not listen to my advice. He went and told my family. And suddenly I saw my brother and sister walking towards me. The Dutch soldiers immediately formed themselves into a row and put up a barbed wire barricade. So it was I, then these soldiers, then this barbed wire, and then my brother and sister on the other side. I was crying on one side of the barricade and my brother and sister were crying on the other side."

[Simca wept as she spoke to us.]

"I knelt down and begged him in English, 'This is my brother and my sister, please help me.' And he just waved his hands, saying, 'Nein, Nein.'

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Note from Jared Israel...

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The use here of the word "Nein" confused me and the following exchange took place between me, Simca and Emperor's Clothes editor Petar Makara, who was translating:

Jared: "Is that the Dutch word for 'No?' That’s not a Dutch word."

Simca: "I thought if I addressed him in English he would answer in English but no, he said, ‘Nein Nein'. "

Jared: "But that’s a German word."

Simca: "I understand the difference."

Jared: "But he was Dutch!"

Petar Makara: "She knows that. That’s her point."

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Simca continues

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* Simca *

"Then this 'friend' of ours, this Dutch Major appeared, and I told him this was my brother and sister. He showed some mercy and told the soldiers that these two, my brother and sister, could pass through. So I was able to hug my brother and sister.

"My brother does not show his emotions. I didn’t see him cry at my father’s funeral. But when he came and hugged me he cried too. It was terrible. The other people heard that someone had come from Belgrade and suddenly all of them were walking towards the checkpoint en masse though it was not a safe thing to do.

"Once he saw so many people coming, this friend of ours, this Dutch Major, decided that maybe there would be an incident so perhaps it would be better to let the women in. So we got in. It’s difficult to put in words what happened. People surrounded us asking us questions: 'What’s happening?' 'Are we forgotten?' 'How can we get out?' Questions and tears and worries.

"My mother was just 15 yards away but she couldn’t reach me because there was such a crowd. They looked at us as if we’d come from another planet, as if we were Gods, desperate to touch us and ask us questions. These people don’t get newspapers; they don’t get TV; the telephones don’t work.

"This Major, I was begging him to let my sister and her little children out. And he said: 'No! Only those who came in can get out.'"

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Simca talks about KFOR's search techniques

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* Simca *

"The procedure for getting in was astonishing. They photographed our ID documents. A woman searched me. I had to lift my arms and spread my legs and she was touching me everywhere as if she was looking for weapons. Just like in the movies. I felt bad before and I felt horrible afterwards.

"First they look at the car, they look under the seats of the car, they look around and inside. They photograph the documents. Then they do this search with their hands around your body and then they do that to the next person and they tell you to stay aside while they do that to the next person. I had taken cookies and chocolate for my sister’s children and they crushed it up and turned it over and inside out.

[Simca was only allowed two and a half hours visiting in Orahovac.]

* Simca *

"As we were getting ready to leave suddenly there was a number of young people, boys and girls, who were all packed. They appeared immediately with suitcases; the same thing happened with the second convoy. I didn’t spend much time with my mother; I have to admit that. I was concentrating all my effort on how I could save my sister and her young children. The youngest is two.

"When we were leaving they made sure to keep people separated. There were the two of us, then a row of soldiers, then the barbed wire, another row of soldiers on the other side. Then the German police, with red berets made another wall. We were to leave at 5:30 but it took until 10:30. The problem was that three young girls slipped through the lines and got into the jeep of a journalist who was with us. This journalist fiercely quarreled with KFOR, demanding that the girls be allowed to go.

"There were more and more people coming from the Serbian section to the checkpoint. This journalist said he wouldn’t let these girls be taken from the jeep; KFOR would have to shoot him. So the Major, seeing all these people and fearing trouble after this long quarrel, let the jeep leave with the three young girls. He was very angry. He said, "OK, you can leave. But you have not respected the Rules agreed on for this visit!"

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Conclusion

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In a later interview, October 31, Simca recounted another conversation with Mr. Ivancev, the Russian assistant to UN Kosovo Chief Kouchner, which took place October 29. Ivancev told her they were holding the Serbs hostage in Orahovac because the Albanians had given KFOR a list of 200 war criminals.

* Simca *

"Mr. Ivancev [Kouchner's assistant] said, 'The war criminals are hiding among the Serbs.'

I asked him, 'Then what about the children? Why have you refused to release the children for four months?'

He looked miserable.

'That's the question I asked Mr. Kouchner,' he said.

And he looked so miserable I almost felt sorry for him."

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The demonization has already begun. And the meddling in Serbia's internal affairs continues.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/serbia/ar...ed=networkfront
Kosovo is key as hardliner wins first leg of Serb poll


Ian Traynor, Europe editor
Monday January 21, 2008
The Guardian

An extreme nationalist won the first leg of Serbia's presidential election last night, raising the prospect of international isolation and increasing the chances of more Balkan conflict over the looming declaration of independence by Kosovo.

With the Albanian leadership of the breakaway southern province due to declare independence within weeks, the loss of the region that Serbian nationalists view as sacrosanct territory appeared to help Tomislav Nikolic, of the extremist Serbian Radical party, to a four-point victory over the incumbent, the pro-western moderate, President Boris Tadic.

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According to exit polls and early results last night in Belgrade, Nikolic took more than 39% of the vote to Tadic's 35% in a crucial ballot that could determine whether Serbia turns east, into Russia's offered embrace, or west, towards European integration.

Neither contender, however, scored an outright victory, requiring an absolute majority of the vote. The other seven candidates were eliminated from the race, leaving Nikolic and Tadic to contest a run-off on February 3. Nikolic, an extreme nationalist who fought as a paramilitary in the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s and served under the late president Slobodan Milosevic, could yet be beaten, since many of the votes last night, on a high turnout of more than 60%, were cast for pro-western democrats.

His support, however, is more easily mobilised and he could well secure victory in two weeks. A win for Nikolic and the Radicals, whose party leader, Vojislav Seselj, is currently being tried for war crimes at the tribunal in The Hague, would be viewed as a disaster in western Europe and a severe setback to EU policy in the Balkans.

In an attempt to boost Tadic's chances, Brussels announced last week that it was opening talks on visa-free travel to Europe for Serbs. Several EU countries also want to sign a pre-membership deal with Belgrade before the end of the month in order to help Tadic to a second-round victory. But some EU states are strongly opposed to this, demanding that key Serbian war crimes suspects be arrested and extradited to The Hague as a condition for the EU deal.

David Miliband, the foreign secretary, met his counterparts from France, Germany and Italy at the weekend in Slovenia to work out how and when to recognise Kosovo's independence. The Kosovan prime minister, Hashem Thaci, is due in Brussels this week to coordinate his policies with the EU. Thaci has been leaned on to delay an independence declaration until after the Serbian election. The declaration is expected within six weeks.

Serbia's key ally, Russia's Vladimir Putin, went to the Balkans last Friday to announce that any unilateral declaration of independence would be "illegal and immoral".

The outcome of Serbia's presidential run-off could hinge on how the Serbian prime minister, Vojislav Kostunica, advises his supporters to vote. Kostunica is fiercely nationalistic, engaged in a permanent power struggle with Tadic, and unbending on the Kosovo dispute. Tadic could need the votes of the prime minister's supporters to defeat Nikolic.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A demo has occurred in Athens with 500 Albanians present chanting
Kosovo is Europe, Immigrants Defend the independence of Kosovo,
Greeks accept the Independence of Kosovo, Independence for Kosovo, Stability for the Balkans.

At the same time the Undersecretary of State for Balkan Affairs Nicholas Burns all of a sudden ...resigns.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2008/01/99478.htm

Will the Americans go for broke and announce the 'independence of Kosovo' prior to the 2nd round of elections in Serbia on February 3rd or not?


Either which way more troops are required.
Germans, Italians and French have to send them.

Well see how reluctant they are now they are supplied by Russian gas companies.
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Russia drafts action plan in case Kosovo declares independence


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MOSCOW (AP) - A senior Russian diplomat said Monday that Moscow has prepared an action plan that envisages close coordination with Serbia should the West recognize any Kosovo declaration of independence.
Alexander Botsan-Kharchenko, the Russian Foreign Ministry's special envoy to the Balkans, said Moscow is encouraging more talks between the Serbs and the province's
ethnic Albanian majority. He said, however, that chances for such talks are rapidly decreasing, with Kosovo's leaders expected to declare independence soon.
Botsan-Kharchenko said at a meeting with Russian lawmakers that the ministry had worked out a plan of action if Kosovo declares independence, and the United States and the European Union members recognize it. He wouldn't give details but said the plan «envisages a close coordination of action with Belgrade.
Kosovo's ethnic Albanian leaders had been expected to declare independence in February or March. Kosovo's independence is supported by the United States and most European Union members, including Britain and France. Serbia and its ally Russia strongly oppose independence for the province.
Kosovo, though legally part of Serbia, has been under U.N. and NATO control since a NATO bombing campaign in 1999 ended a Serb crackdown on separatist ethnic Albanians.
Botsan-Kharchenko accused Washington of exerting a «blatant pressure» on U.N. Secretary-General Ban-Ki moon to secure his support for Kosovo's independence. He said Russia was working with Ban, and voiced hope that Ban wouldn't back Kosovo's declaration of independence.
Ban said Friday he could not yet give his blessing to a planned 1,800-strong European Union policing mission in Kosovo because of the international dispute over the province's future.

Botsan-Kharchenko said Russia also is working actively with the EU «dissidents» in trying to rally opposition against Kosovo's independence. He specifically named Slovakia, an EU member that has expressed reservations about Kosovo's planned move to declare independence.
Russia used a veto threat to scuttle a U.N. envoy's plan last year calling for internationally supervised statehood for Kosovo, and negotiations between the sides ended last month without agreement.
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Cracks appearing in the Washington establishment after the resignation of Burns Undersecretary of State for the Balkans....


Former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger, Former UN Ambassador John Bolton and Former Assistant Secretary of Defense Peter Rodman: 'American Policy on Kosovo Must be Reexamined Without Delay'

Kosovo Will Not Become Independent, Serbs Will Not Leave, Serbia Will
Defend Its Territory and Its Citizens: His Grace, Bishop ARTEMIJE of Ras
and Prizren



WASHINGTON, Jan. 31 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Following today's
publication of a Washington Times commentary
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080131/COMMENTARY/288472699/ 1012)
written by former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger, former UN
Ambassador John Bolton and former Assistant Secretary of Defense Peter
Rodman urging the Bush Administration to withhold recognition of a
unilateral declaration of Kosovo independence, His Grace, Bishop Artemije
of Ras and Prizren issued the following statement prior to his visit to
Washington to meet with Administration and Congressional officials and
policymakers:



As I begin my latest mission to Washington, my country is being
subjected to heightened threats from the government of the United States
with respect to the future of the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija.
Having just returned from Berlin and consultations with Members of the
Bundestag, the Administration, and think tanks, NGOs, and media, it is
clear that America's European allies are increasingly concerned about the
consequences of the course Washington is trying to impose on them. The U.S.
response has been to step up the pressure.



For example, the press in Slovenia, currently chairing the European
Union, recently revealed American officials' diktat to supposedly
independent countries. In an account confirmed by Slovenian official
sources, we hear American diplomats commanding the timing of a planned
unilateral declaration of independence by the Albanian Muslim
administration in Pristina and its recognition by the U.S. and some other
governments. Even exposed is the shameful intention to trigger the crisis
on the Lord's Day to thwart Russia in convening an emergency session of the
Security Council.



Threats have already been issued that after an independence declaration
and recognition, force would be used to shut down so-called "parallel
structures" in Serbian enclaves -- in reality the legitimate institutions
of our state -- including the Mitrovica office of the Ministry for Kosovo
and Metohija. Such actions, with expected attacks on Serbian citizens,
would constitute a direct assault on the Serbian state and the Serbian
nation. While it would be inappropriate to disclose Serbia's specific
response, we will defend our territory and our people as would any other
democratic country. Russia and other friendly countries are prepared to
assist us.



Should Washington and its followers make good on their current threats
to recognize Kosovo, Serbia would never accept it. Not only Russia but many
other countries, especially those outside of Europe, would reject
recognition. Kosovo would never become a member of the United Nations. We
would regard the international presence in Kosovo, including the mission
now being considered by the EU, as an occupation force. We Serbs have
suffered many occupations in the past and triumphed over them. If necessary
we would survive this one as well. Despite any intensification of the
terror to which we Christians have been subjected since 1999, my flock in
Kosovo has no intention of leaving their homes.



I do not welcome having to direct these critical words at the United
States. Serbs have always regarded America as a friend and continue to do
so. Americans and Serbs were allies in both World Wars. We are not the ones
who are pursuing a confrontation today. But it is impossible for America to
profess friendship with Serbia while demanding the amputation of the most
precious part of our homeland.



Despite the mistakes made so far, I am convinced that there is still a
chance reason will prevail and the disastrous path laid before us will be
averted. Today three highly respected former U.S. officials published a
thoughtful and constructive analysis of the looming injury to American
national interests:



"We believe that an imposed settlement of the Kosovo question and
seeking to partition Serbia's sovereign territory without its consent is
not in the interest of the United States. The blithe assumption of American
policy -- that the mere passage of nine years of relative quiet would be
enough to lull Serbia and Russia into reversing their positions on a
conflict that goes back centuries -- has proven to be naive in the extreme.
We believe that American policy on Kosovo must be reexamined without delay,
and we urge the Bush Administration to make it clear that pending the
results of such reexamination it would withhold recognition of a Kosovo
independence declaration and discourage Kosovo's Albanians from taking that
step."



Secretary Lawrence Eagleburger, Ambassador John Bolton, and Assistant
Secretary Peter Rodman conclude: "As with thorny questions elsewhere,
viable and enduring settlements should result from negotiation and
compromise. Such an outcome has been undermined by an American promise to
the Kosovo Albanians that their demands will be satisfied if they remain
adamant and no agreement is reached with Belgrade." I believe that
negotiations must continue until a mutually acceptable solution can be
found to allow us and our Albanian neighbors to live together in peace.
Honest talks, without ultimatums or guaranteed results for either side,
with no outcome barred from discussion, can still bear fruit. I ask all
Americans of good will to ask their leaders in Washington to choose this
path.



For more information, please visit the American Council for Kosovo's
Web site at http://www.savekosovo.org.



The American Council for Kosovo is an activity of Squire Sanders Public
Advocacy, LLC, and Global Strategic Communications Group, which are
registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act as agents for the
Serbian National Council of Kosovo and Metohija, under the spiritual
guidance of His Grace, Bishop ARTEMIJE of Ras and Prizren. Additional
information with respect to this matter is on file with the Foreign Agents
Registration Unit of the Department of Justice in Washington DC.
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