Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 3889 Location: North Down, N. Ireland
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: 911 Amateur - More Deceptions from the Fakery Camp
Simon "not my real name" Shack's back with a new "revelation" which in some circles is being touted as their 'breakthrough to the mainstream' moment. A "great catch Simon", gushed Killtown, with wet-knickered schoolgirlish fervour.
How exciting!
As usual however, with a closer look it turns out to be a more tawdry affair than such hype would have us believe.
How disappointing!
.... but not altogether unexpected I'm sure, to those with a more critical viewpoint.
Shack uses a still frame image (but with a moving indicator arrow) to make his case, but closer examination of the movie footage - not great quality but it makes the point - shows that Shack's "inserted cut" is in dynamic motion in the early stages and is not fixed in the Naudet footage, and can be seen to be so in the last few seconds of the video.
In short, it's smoke in the early stages, and black soot stains in the later pictures.
The image above is taken from the left side and is noticeably brightened and smoothed, exhibiting a somewhat 'fuzzy' quality from the artefacts introduced by those processes, which are another step removed from the 'real world' image.
It's also of note that the smoke from the still burning main fire obscures the true wingtip indent which would project slightly immediately above Shack's arrow indicated allegedly "faked cut" mark.
This he then compares with the image below taken from the right side, when the smoke from the fire nearer the corner has ceased and from where the heavy black soot staining on the columns from the poorly aspirated burnt fuel that poured from that location is less apparent.
It becomes obvious in the following series of better quality photos that as the viewpoint moves from the right, to the centre, and then the left, that as indicated by the green lines, the smoke has stained the leftward faces of the 14" square columns noticeably more than the other sides and the staining becomes more apparent with the change of viewing angle.
And finally, we come to those "suspicious" multiple explosions.
Here our Simon, claims the South side explosion on the North Tower occurs 20 stories below the impact point - something only someone with a flagrant disregard for perspective would groundlessly do. The inserted blue perspective lines on the photo below should correct any misapprehensions by the easily swayed.
As for the 'other' explosions - is it unexpected that in an open plan office design, smoke is going to pour out of each side it can escape from?
Is it suspicious that having crashed through the outer columns and into the core columns, that with the nearest fire baffles tens of storeys below, the core with its stairwells and elevator shafts is going to act like a chimney and let smoke escape from the top?
No, I don't think so either.
And so it seems like basic, elementary fact checking that could easily have been undertaken by anybody, is still a stranger to the Fakery camp.
No change there then. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Last edited by chek on Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:48 am; edited 1 time in total
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: 911 Amateur - More Deceptions from the Fakery Camp
chek wrote:
And so it seems like basic, elementary fact checking that could easily have been undertaken by anybody, is still a stranger to the Fakery camp.
No change there then.
great work chek!
I had to laugh when I saw sidgullible and his fellow NPT sheeple getting all hot and bothered by simon's latest exercise in deception. I wonder if they will ever finally realise that he's taking the p!ss out of them?
all that's necessary to confirm that you're right is to watch the impact footage in the naudet dvd - especially the last couple of seconds (if you watch it in slow-mo while zoomed in, you can see that the external columns in the area of the "painted in gash" are actually intact) - and also the shots of the north tower impact zone that are shown a few seconds later in the dvd while they're driving towards the wtc, where the "painted in gash" is almost invisible for the reasons you state.
another thing is that the naudet impact footage was not shown on tv until many hours after the attacks, so the idea that the perps would decide to change the size of the impact zone in this clip so it was different from what had already been shown on tv earlier is just plain silly.
and to think that they'd "paint in" an extended "gash" in the first shot of the impact zone that's shown in the naudet dvd and fail to do the same thing in the next shots which are shown seconds later is even sillier.
but then again, if you're the kind of person who can't even tell the difference between "east" and "north"....
lol - what a pathetic set of responses to chek's post from the usual NPT sheeple, all of whom are characteristically incapable of confronting the truth.
well at least I now know where killklown's been hiding recently....
lol - what a pathetic set of responses to chek's post from the usual NPT sheeple, all of whom are characteristically incapable of confronting the truth.
well at least I now know where killklown's been hiding recently....
I seem to be blessed with KT's company wherever I am
It has been as bit of a free ride for NPT over there the last couple of months, there arnt that many members inspired to post more considered research at the mo _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
i have watched it and have thought for myself, your point is?
well let's take it from the top....
whether or not you care to admit it - we have already proved beyond doubt that some of shack's claims are not just wrong, but that he is a fraudster who is deliberately trying to deceive:
and nick irving has gone through every part of "september clues" and made a huge list of stuff that is designed to fool the gullible but doesn't stand up to scrutiny:
and in this thread, chek has now demolished the key points that shack makes in this latest exercise in deception.
so, based on all that, what are the chances that shack's claim about "secondary linear explosions" caused by "cutter charges" that were somehow attached to the north tower's external columns, is true?
why do you think shack is so scared to come out of his closet and debate this stuff? his silence gets more deafening by the day....
do you really think this video shows the impact zone being being formed by a series of "cutter charges" exploding - or is it just another fraud?
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 3889 Location: North Down, N. Ireland
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject:
jfk wrote:
chek, what is your explaination for what shack points out as linear charges?
The bit I think you're now highlighting (the ones he tags "linear explosions"),
the definition is too poor to make out any detail,
with the smoke from the initial impact explosion further
obscuring events. All I can see is grey mush until the
sheet of orange flame flows out from the true impact hole.
But it's clear that they are quite distinct from linear charges
which briefly crackle like firecrackers, as can be easily
seen in the Seattle Kingdome demolition.
The orange flamed slow (by comparison) 'deflagration' - rather
than a true explosion - appears in the correctly oriented wing
gash and would be a secondary fuel explosion, it seems to me.
It appears exactly where the wing with its integral fuel tanks
impacted, probably flooding back from whatever core
structure remained in the impact zone and igniting as
enough air became available for it to do so nearer the impact hole. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 3889 Location: North Down, N. Ireland
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: 911 Amateur - More Deceptions from the Fakery Camp
gruts wrote:
chek wrote:
And so it seems like basic, elementary fact checking that could easily have been undertaken by anybody, is still a stranger to the Fakery camp.
No change there then.
great work chek!
I had to laugh when I saw sidgullible and his fellow NPT sheeple getting all hot and bothered by simon's latest exercise in deception. I wonder if they will ever finally realise that he's taking the p!ss out of them?
all that's necessary to confirm that you're right is to watch the impact footage in the naudet dvd - especially the last couple of seconds (if you watch it in slow-mo while zoomed in, you can see that the external columns in the area of the "painted in gash" are actually intact) - and also the shots of the north tower impact zone that are shown a few seconds later in the dvd while they're driving towards the wtc, where the "painted in gash" is almost invisible for the reasons you state.
another thing is that the naudet impact footage was not shown on tv until many hours after the attacks, so the idea that the perps would decide to change the size of the impact zone in this clip so it was different from what had already been shown on tv earlier is just plain silly.
and to think that they'd "paint in" an extended "gash" in the first shot of the impact zone that's shown in the naudet dvd and fail to do the same thing in the next shots which are shown seconds later is even sillier.
but then again, if you're the kind of person who can't even tell the difference between "east" and "north"....
It's the same old story gruts, 3-D world, 2-D images - it's just too confusing for some. And that's exactly what conmen like "Shack" and his kind are preying on. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 3889 Location: North Down, N. Ireland
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject:
gruts wrote:
suggestibility also seems to play a big part.
if shacky told them there were pink elephants flying around the wtc on 9/11 they'd probably believe it....
Don't go giving him ideas.
Judging from the persistent way he's been egging them on over at 911M to go physically harass Devin Clark (the Ellen Mariani affair all over again) he's a man on a mission. And just like the Mariani episode the press doesn't bother to differentiate between serious activists and the ...er ... more excitable element.
Also, thanks for your kind comments which I forgot to acknowledge in my haste to do three things at once earlier. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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chek, thank you for your reply concerning the possibility of' linear charges'.
which, you say, could be secondary explosions, caused by a plane impact. also, that linear charges would show a crackle, like fireworks, rather than, as you say, 'flow out'.
i think it is important that there is a debate on this subject, from both perpectives, for people to make up their own minds...
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 3889 Location: North Down, N. Ireland
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject:
jfk wrote:
chek, thank you for your reply concerning the possibility of' linear charges'.
which, you say, could be secondary explosions, caused by a plane impact. also, that linear charges would show a crackle, like fireworks, rather than, as you say, 'flow out'.
i think it is important that there is a debate on this subject, from both perpectives, for people to make up their own minds...
You're welcome.
However you still haven't addressed the exposing of Shack's
'painted in cut' theory, which is a major and deliberate
deception based on the same principle as those children's
'magic' pictures that change or move depending on
your angle of view.
What is your opinion of that? _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: Shack's Previous Lies
Shack's Previous Lies
jfk wrote:
ha ha, the results are that i share shack's conclusion.
I have already exposed many of Shack's deliberate lies, in this video he still appears to be making things up.
Listen to Jim Friedl's phoned-in eyewitness account, broadcast about nine minutes after the plane hit the North Tower, when Jules Naudet captured it. How people can reject this in favour of Shack's ravings is quite beyond me. _________________ The truth won't set you free, but identifying the liars could help make the world a better place.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Shack's Previous Lies
Anthony Lawson wrote:
I have already exposed many of Shack's deliberate lies, in this video he still appears to be making things up.
I agree - however, I think that there are a couple of interesting things about shack's latest disinfo piece.
one of the issues we've discussed a few times on this forum is how the tv fakery crowd seem to be obssessed with turning footage of the plane impacts (in which hundreds of people are dying) into a seemingly endless series of crappy music videos. and shack's sheep-like fans have also frequently commented on how great they think the music is in "september clues". so it's interesting to note that he's produced a video that's almost entirely silent this time....
and one of the most obvious cases of shack's dishonesty in "September Clues" is the way he edited the Theresa Renaud interview to remove the part that flew in the face of his assertion that she couldn't have had a clear view of the towers from her stated location - which has also been discussed here and in "september clues busted". so I wonder why the new video includes the bit that he previously edited out?
although he sits in his ivory tower and refuses to discuss his work with anyone likely to be in any way critical, I reckon he must be interested in how it's being received by his critics - so maybe the above represents some sort of response from simple simon....
To be fair, there are a lot of people in the "movement" that live in that very same tower.
edit: (Not saying that Shack doesn't, mind you. ) _________________ "What about a dance club that only let in deaf people? It would really only need flashing lights, so they'd save a lot of money on music." - Dresden Codak
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