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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Northern Rock research thread Reply with quote

Watcha everyone

On Radio 4 this morning an economist was featured who stated the cost of the Rock bail out is now £58 Billion: pretty much a million for every citizen of britain

I've been trying to get some evidence of this amount to do some kick arse over this and connect the dots on this scam, but not having much success

Anyone help?

And whilst we are at it: just how badly are we being screwed? (Rhetorical)

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pretty much a million for every citizen of britain

Make that a thousand matey!!! We are all American now and a billion is a thousand million. Its about the same as every family pays to farmers EVERY YEAR by way of subsidies. Anyway, we can't have shareholders losing money on their shares. We all know that private businesses never fail and that shares always pay a profit. Thatcher said so!! You and I and every other taxpayer will just have to bail them out. Its called market forces or something.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pretty much a million for every citizen of britain

Make that a thousand matey!!! We are all American now and a billion is a thousand million. Its about the same as every family pays to farmers EVERY YEAR by way of subsidies. Anyway, we can't have shareholders losing money on their shares. We all know that private businesses never fail and that shares always pay a profit. Thatcher said so!! You and I and every other taxpayer will just have to bail them out. Its called market forces or something.


Is that right? Its still plenty bad enough! And nobody told me I was American, and if they did, I'd have damn well ignored them

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My doom charts thread

Latest Observations:
Date 2007-08-01 2007-09-01 2007-10-01 2007-11-01 2007-12-01
Value 43.946 40.972 42.239 42.268 27.151

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2...?rid=19&soid=1

Extrapolating the rate of decline of 'Non-Borrowed Reserves of Depositary Institutions' we see zero looming this week

2008-01-01

42-27= 15

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=222391

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two private equity funds it was revealed on Channel 4 have bought the equivalent of 17% of shares of Northern Rock when they were under £1 each. Having bought them the UK government then gave guarantees equivalent to £58 billion.

If they don't offload the bank soon they will need to pump more money in. They will then be in the position of liquidating all taxpayers money to private equity funds. If they nationalise it it will send a signal that private banks can get taken over at will exactly like what happened to the shareholders of Railtrack. The only difference being that Railtrack was a national concern prior to being privatised.

Northern Rock was always a private concern.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Northern Rock was always a private concern.

But run for the benefit of its MEMBERS before demutualisation under Thatcherism and the "greed is good" lunacy her policies proclaimed. It was the pursuit of greed that caused its demise. When it was run as a Building SOCIETY it worked well and grew and grew so much that the greedy b****** coveted it and got their evil hands on it. Northern Rock is just the start. You can sell the family silver and have a ball with the proceeds but it can only last a relatively short time then reality sets in. What will happen (it has started) is a direct consequence of the stupid short termism of Thatcherite greed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Northern Rock was always a private concern.

But run for the benefit of its MEMBERS before demutualisation under Thatcherism and the "greed is good" lunacy her policies proclaimed. It was the pursuit of greed that caused its demise. When it was run as a Building SOCIETY it worked well and grew and grew so much that the greedy * coveted it and got their evil hands on it. Northern Rock is just the start. You can sell the family silver and have a ball with the proceeds but it can only last a relatively short time then reality sets in. What will happen (it has started) is a direct consequence of the stupid short termism of Thatcherite greed.


I don't think it was simply Thatcherism

Finance capital started to dominate over manufacturing in the mid-1970's. Decisions were taken to shut down manufacturing, independent sources of energy and UK based agriculture. This has been the overriding policies of all the major political parties.

All business is short term. You go from tax year to tax year. Banking even more so as they loan money based on 25 year projections. Too many variables exist to predict whats going to happen next.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The de-mutualisation of Building Societies was as important a part of Thatcherism as was the sale of council housing stock and the flogging of highly prized state run affairs such as water, electricity and gas. Mixing these with failed ventures such as state run car manufacture was a part of the overall deceit. Compared to what may have preceded the Thatcher years, what she did was a whole new ball game. Now its payback time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think it was simply Thatcherism

The de-mutualisation of Building Societies was as important a part of Thatcherism as was the sale of council housing stock and the flogging of highly prized state run affairs such as water, electricity and gas. Mixing these with failed ventures such as state run car manufacture was a part of the overall deceit. Compared to what may have preceded the Thatcher years, what she did was a whole new ball game. Now its payback time.


I'm sure a few of us will be going to this one...

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,2243836,00.html
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Andrew Kirkland, a 26-year-old systems analyst,
Northern Rock drives 'whistle blower' to brink of suicide with £130,000 legal action


Mr Kirkland’s ordeal began after it emerged that executives at Northern Rock – some of whom were blamed for last year’s financial crisis which led to the resignation of chief executive Adam Applegarth – were being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in special retention bonuses, effectively doubling their salaries.

He also appears to have been held responsible for a story last month, relating to the bank’s plan to close branches and freeze accounts without warning, leaving customers with no access to money.

This plan, which was discussed immediately after the crisis became public last September, was never implemented.

Mr Kirkland, who worked for the bank for four years, has always denied he was the source of these articles.

But since January, he says Schillings has bombarded him with phone calls, letters and emails aimed at making him accept an agreement.

In the proposed deal, the bank said it would drop disciplinary proceedings and waive damages if Mr Kirkland would be potentially liable for its legal costs of £130,000 which, it warns, could increase at a later stage.

He would have his resignation accepted, but would have to keep the terms of the agreement confidential.

Mr Kirkland claims he has been left a psychological wreck and, after being told he was not allowed to write to MPs asking for help, ‘started to cry and could not stop crying’.

Doctors have confirmed he is seriously depressed and suffers from regular panic attacks.

Mr Kirkland, who has been unable to find a solicitor to take his case and is facing bankruptcy, also says the stress contributed to the breakdown of his four-year relationship.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1036611/Northern-Rock-drives-w histle-blower-brink-suicide-130-000-legal-action.html

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