"zionist shill" irony....

[gruts]

since joining this forum a few months ago I have been subjected to all kinds of abuse and accusations from various numptys on a regular basis - simply for having the temerity to look at the evidence for "no planes at the wtc" and find that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

for example, mason free party has called me a "zionist shill" on more than one occasion for not believing the nonsense that andrew johnson spoon feeds him. so it was quite amusing to notice on the prisonplanet forum yesterday that a poster called rayantoky, who has been spamming the forum with the usual NPT disinfo, was outed as a real zionist shill.

perhaps MFP should have a good look at the company he's keeping....

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=5185.msg86290#msg86290

[John White]

[chek]

Good find gruts - although is it really a surprise that this whole farrago of pre-planted, non-sequiturial nonsense ever had any other purpose than to discredit the public perception of 911 Truth? I think not.

Although the incoming tide of counter-shill cries from the self-righteous if gullible likes of killklown's vanguard like MFP and his fellow merry pranksters won't be long arriving.

[John White]

Actually it will take some time for any messages to arrive here from MFP, as he got himself banned for his insessant "shill" accusations before Christmas. Hes currently getting his shill calling kicks elsewhere

I believe this was the last time I conversed with him on the matter (following, suprise suprise, him enquiring if I was a mason):

[gruts]

sorry - I didn't realise that MFP was no longer around.

feel free to forward the info to him or post it on the icke forum....

[chek]

[ian neal]

This is a very common strategy of the disinformationist and one that I have mentioned often before. Don't me wrong. It is not that all those in the 'researchers' community are planted shills, any more than all those in the 'planehugger' camp are shills, but the researchers community has undoubtedly been v busy accusing all who disagree with them of being shills whilst failing to consider the possibility that they themselves are infested with shills.

What I am saying is that the PTB modus operandi is based on divide and rule, so regardless of the issue they will simultaneously try and occupy positions on both the 'extremes' and the sensible 'middle ground' so they can (1) inflame the debate, fuel divisions and acrimony, give fodder to the 'debunkers' to debunk the strawmen theories that they themselves have planted whilst (2) gatekeeping the middle ground. Its all pretty obvious really, but clearly not that obvious since collectively humanity falls for it every time.

Opposames........

So the zionists will pump out anti-jewish propaganda (along the lines of "it's all a jewish conspiracy, I tell you" that we occasionally get here) in order to associate legitimate factually based criticism of zionism with "anti-semitism".

However another strategy is to plant agents in the camp which is promoting the actual truth, f*ck it around, planting false evidence in amongst genuine evidence and campaigning in an aggressive and unprofessional manner in order to discredit the theory and keep people from looking at the true theories seriously.

So in other words this strategy of placing aggressive shills within the no plane camp could be a strategy

1) to discredit the wider 9/11 truth movement by associating it with NPTs (untrue theories and planted evidence) and providing strawmen for the movement's 'critics'

OR

2) to keep people away from the truth (i.e. 'no plane theories') by fightening them off (since who would want to be associated with theories promoted by aggressive shills)

Works both ways. The gatecreepers site is v good at dissecting this

http://www.gatecreepers.com/entries/exclusive-debunking-myths-on-consp iracy-theorie/

http://www.gatecreepers.com/entries/exclusive-debunking-the-bbcs-9-11- conspiracy-fi/#link4

[ian neal]

Interestingly I have an application from "Rayantoky" in my inbox. Seems only fair to give him/her the right of reply to Alex's accusations assuming they are the same somebody.

[gruts]

yeah - I think they banned him so he didn't get to explain himself....

and just to clarify - there was no ad hominem attack in what I posted. I just thought it was ironic that MFP (one of the most vociferous NPT believers on this site) goes around accusing people who disagree with him of being "zionist shills" and here's somebody who might actually be a zionist shill promoting exactly the same stuff as MFP is!

[chek]

[gruts]

well based on what he posted on prisonplanet he's just reading from the same script as the rest of them so it'll be like deja vu....

[rayantoky]

'ello maties!
Chiming in with my two farthings for you fellows.
Sorry my affiliations have met with your disproval. It's unfortunate though that you don't get the full picture or at least are trying to blur it. Discovering Barry's uncovering of the conspiracy behind the RABIN ASSASSINATION was a highlight of my early internet findings. Meeting him and seeing his acute perception of the Israeli Government traitors simlar to those in Ben Hecht's Perfidy was a true gift. Yes I do support the right of the Jews to their land. No I do not align myself with the US government which uses the Jewish State as a football to kick around the region to stir up trouble. The word Zion has taken on negative connotations which is far from its meaning.
As for 9/11 truth, as a Brooklyn NY resident I am not far from the action. I've been banned from the Prison Planet forum for airing my opinion regarding the true perps and their methodology. It seems that there and here it is not correct to think that no planes were used at the tower when in fact most agree that the Pentagon explosion was not from a passenger jet and that Shanksville had an empty hole in the ground. And the fact that the BTS database did not list certain planes in their database on 9/11, ones allegedly used in the 'attacks', is met with short shrift over there. We are told to ignore that the planes were found in use years after.
Even though the lack of true and believable evidence of real planes at the towers is absent over there and here it's more fashionable to debunk the no plane information than to come up with a believable and realistic alternate scenario other than the discredited remote control option. I'm sure that the people here have heard of Gerard Holmgren, Nico Haupt, and Rosalee Grable the Webfairy who have done pioneering work in discovering who the phonies are. It is unfortunate that the '9/11 movement ' only serves to muddy the waters. The perps and the MSM who are part of the same criminal network have us where they want us. Splintered. Too bad this forum can't actually give reign to those who believe in a fair discussion and instead resort to tags and ad hominem attacks.
Cheerio..
Ray Antoky, Zionist shill and 9/11 disinfo agent

[gruts]

[ian neal]

[rayantoky]

BTW when you say you

[ian neal]

So why do you think Alex Jones (or whoever runs his website) banned you?

[rayantoky]

[gruts]

well you certainly don't disappoint ray. if only MFP was here so you could explain to him how "no planes" and zionism are a match made in heaven....

[rodin]

@ Rayantoky

What do you make of this collection of dots?

Mike Mukasey is the head of US Law (Jew from Eastern European line. Covered up for 911)

Chertoff is the head of US Order (Jew from Eastern European line. Covered up for 911)

The Federal Reserve and central banking in general is controlled by a private cartel of primarily if not entirely Jewish bankers primarily if not entirely of Eastern European origin, with the 'King of the Jews' Rothschild at the head.

The mainstream media in the UK US and much of the world that you correctly say is 100% complicit in the crime of 911 is controlled by Jews.

The fact that Israel and traitirs in the US conspired to murder the sailors of the USS Liberty to provoke extension of war in the middle east (thankfully unsuccesful) is mirrored in the events of 911

The fact that so many Israeli spies and demolition experts were all over the US & NY - Carl Cameron and 5 dancing Israelis etc.

The fact that Daniel Lewin and Alona Avraham were assigned to two of the planes on a day when exercises were being run

The Larry Silverstein story (I mean, really) and Frank Lowy

Mo Atta and Jack Abramoff

I could go on

Some of us see Zionists/Jews and their agents collaborators and elements of all governments behind 911.

Is the greater constituency of decent Jews ready to call these people out?

Or is it left to Henry Makow and few others?

Who do YOU think really ran the 911 show?

About the Babylonian Talmud (collection of formerly oral teachings)

I read the Babylonian Talmud provides a framework for the behaviour of Zionists. Many (most?) non-Zionist Jews also study the Talmud.

Does it really say that the Jews should rule the world from Israel and that all non - Jews should eventually be eliminated? This I have read from several sources. Does the Talmud really have Jesus being boiled in hot excrement or semen - or are the people on the internet who claim to be translating the Talmud for us telling anti-semitic lies in order to foment racial hatred?

Was Meyer Lansky a Zionist? Are the Russian oligarchs Zionist?

Regarding the Rothschild plan for the creation of a state of Israel

I think to use prophecy and a belief system to impose a solution for Planet Earth of your (you would say your G-D's) choosing may not meet with the approval of the rest of God's creatures who want to live in peace.

If Jews want to live and let live on this planet, and accept that they do not have the right to dominate all other humans, then I have no problem with them. I welcome their wit and the intelligence they bring to the party. If however they are supremacist and racist then I see them as a threat. If the Rothschilds and their associates have created a system of control that confers benefits on a tiny percentage of humanity at the expense of all others, then this ill-gotten control must be dismantled. In an orderly and peaceful and benign way.

I must know the truth

If the Talmud really says me and my family are to be killed for being gentile, then Jews who do not renounce this I will fight with the last drop of my blood. Not physically, but in debate. Secrecy is abhorrent in a free and open society. Once truth is in the light, society will self-correct in its, not some elite group's, best interest.

I have extrapolated into a future where immortality is a real possibility thanks to emerging technologies, and the human race apart from the elite will just be in the way. We, the goyim under the cosh of false media, toxins and bad science, being fed a steady diet of Britney Spiers, Maddie McCann and Kevin Keegan are light years away from considering the scientific future that awaits us, and the moral consequences.

Freemasonry and Judaism (as I understand it) implys that God is within. With the ability to attain immortality, and the ability to create and design life being enabled by technology men can become counterfeit Gods

That, I think, is the plan.

Any other Jews listening I would like to hear from you.

Thank you for listening.

rodin

[Mark Gobell]

Is anybody else finding this difficult to follow?

Could someone please provide a simple summary of what is being discussed here?

Thank you.

[marky 54]

[TonyGosling]

This guy is a holocaust questioner, not denier, who many Jews listen to.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Ernst%20zundel


Link

[jfk]

OH DEAR!!!
any accusation of 'zionist shill', i think, is naive.

the jewish have every right to a homeland, end of story.

the fact that the israeli government is co opted to create tension with palestine is another matter,
most governments are co opted by 'private militaries, they don't care who you are as long as they can gain more global power and make more capital to fund their weapons and space programs.

harking on about the rothschildes/rockerfellas is not gonna shed light on any of today's rather more complex military power elite's and industries.
and as for stuff like the'dancing israeli's', gimme a break, it ain't proof of anything exept a giant red herring

no planes is the smoking gun

[rayantoky]

[TonyGosling]

You're taking Jack Kennedy's name in vain.




The Rothchilds and the Rockefeller banking networks and intelligence gathering tentacles, links to organised crime and the occult are the stuff dark legends and dark forces are made of.

Not fantasies.

Hope you don't mind if I ask... but are you a Zionist shill?

[jfk]

[TonyGosling]

No, but seriously, you can't deny the influence of the banking dynasties.

[jfk]

[TonyGosling]

Yes, but the octupus itself is the banking system.
Money and its control is the bluntest instrument in the world for the plutocratic minded to influence media, parliaments and just about everything else.

Entire nations are subjected to arbitrary grinding poverty, civil unrest and death if they don't do what they're told by the IMF. (could be a song in there for Rodin)

But it will ultimately backfire on the elitists.