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Thermate911
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 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: The Grauniad goes from bad to worse... |
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I don't have the time, inclination or energy to start yet another 'Comment is Free' (CiF) account but this one definitely needs some input, as the comments so far are truly abysmal:-
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/crispin_black/2008/01/real_fears.h tml
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There's no point in being defensive about Michael Chertoff's characterisation of Europe as a breeding ground for terrorism. He's right
Crispin Black
January 16, 2008 4:00 PM | Printable version
US Secretary for Homeland Security Michael Chertoff's description of Europe as a possible "platform" for a terrorist attack against the US is annoying, ironic and worrying. Annoying and ironic because, at least in the case of the United Kingdom, the level of the threat in this country owes a lot to the government's support for American wars - it provided the platform, or sprung floor, for the propagandists of jihad to reach out to the wider community. Worrying because the threat is both to the US and to ourselves. The US may be the preferred and most prestigious venue for a terror attack, but we know that the UK is second on the list.
It is additionally worrying because Chertoff is, I think, speaking from a position of comparative strength, which highlights how much more we still have to do over here. Jihadism for the United States has always been an external threat. 9/11 was an attack on the US by foreigners who had bluffed or slipped their way into the country. The US has since spent billions of dollars in trying to secure its borders, and there is no doubt that it is now much more difficult for foreigners to gain access to the country. Against the internal threat, the United States has always been on much surer ground, in any case.
It is not all hunky dory in America. But I would be very surprised if a cell of US-born-and-bred jihadists were to emerge at any stage. "Al-Qaida US" has little future as a franchise. The way American culture works makes it difficult for immigrants, or the descendants of recent immigrants, to be disloyal - most profoundly want to be American, in any case. Compare and contrast the rather dreary and forced citizenship ceremonies that we have belatedly introduced in the UK with the whoops of delight and tears of emotion and relief often seen at similar ceremonies in the US.
We in Europe do not enjoy these advantages. In the UK, we are confronted by a growing internal jihadist threat from some of our own people against a wider background of non-violent disloyalty, disaffection and disdain for the country. Indeed, if reports are to be believed, something called "al-Qaida UK" has recently been founded. Whatever it turns out to be, it has a disturbingly popular website which preaches violence, treason and murder. The whole internal threat appears to be underpinned by external support and communication, principally from Pakistan but also from the Horn of Africa, which we have been slow to disrupt or reverse.
American security officials understand this - in detail. Most US embassies contain FBI offices under various liaison pseudonyms. The "Feds" in Grosvenor Square have always enjoyed very close relations with MI5. As a result, they have a good overview of the terror scene in the UK and detailed knowledge of current and forthcoming terrorist trials in the UK. American officialdom is better informed than the British public on these matters. Chertoff knows the details behind both the alleged airliner plot of August 2006, and the so-called doctors' plot in London and Glasgow last summer, and a series of other terror-related trials the facts of which are unavailable to the British public. And he does not like what he sees. |
More at CiF...
Is this Crispin propagandist any relation to Conrad, I wonder?
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suraci
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: Guardian nonsense |
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| I used to tackle scary IDF Seth on that excuse for a national rag forum most days. I just kept asking the git where his allegiances lay, with the UK or Israel. He was outraged that I'd ask such a thing. I got banned a lot, gave up in the end. They bought in some lawyer type to clamp down on the truth tellers and that was that. The world being created is one they richly deserve. |
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Thermate911
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The world being created is one they richly deserve. |
Amen to that but the rest of us don't. Hence the great efforts over and above just living peaceably by so many 'ordinary folk' pursuing justice for all.
By the time this gets to court, hordes of inadvertent amateur lawyers will abound, their skills honed to a fine edge countering the psychopathic lies and disinfo of CIA, Mossad and ADL types splattered throughout the media.
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TonyGosling
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suraci
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Crispin does have something of the hawk about him, the eyebrows perhaps. |
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Thermate911
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I can't find anything very useful about this whitewash artist beyond this:-
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Crispin_Black but he does bear a resemblance to Conrad Black, in my personal opinion.
OT - has anyone noticed how many 9/11 clips are disappearing from YouTube 'due to copyright restrictions' these days? History is being re-wrote, yet again, it seems, and not just by sad characters like this Crispin Black.
Perhaps more of us could be encouraged to archive all known material? It's not difficult and HDD space is relatively cheap.
Using www.keepvid.com/ , the best primary source of 9/11 video still seems to be:-
http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive
But for how much longer?
Tony, Reuters is Saudi controlled. The article you link to is just another despicable apology for genocide. Have you been to Palestine at all recently? Most people I know wouldn't even leave their dogs or their worst enemies in such a terminally grim situation... Rockets, forsooth! Desperate people aimlessly flinging aged junk for the most part - arrayed against Lockheed's finest aerial technology and military grants in the billion$?
Yet we in Blighted are majorly responsible for allowing this nightmare to continue. How can any devout Christian not act from their conscience now? Go to Gaza; see for yourself what complacency can achieve!
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suraci
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If Palestinians weren't firing the odd glorified firework into Israel the Israeli's would do it for them. In fact hamas or whoever is firing these things could just not bother and let Israel do it for them. Just imagine a world where Israel was not apparently rocketed on a daily basis, how could the world be convinced to support little old poor Israel, besieged on all sides for no other reason then wanting to live in peace in the land they've inhabited for all of ............sixty years, since they stole it at the point of a bayoneted rifle!
And youtube and google video and others are being heavily censored now. The intriguing clip of Peter Power and the London bombings (where he lets slip that an Israeli company he was working for had prior knowledge...ooops) is getting harder to find it seems.The clips aren't always removed it seems, but they are disguised or similar sounding clips are put up that draw the audience away.
I'd like to put up the video of nutter Tom Cruise talking about scientology just to annoy them and defend free speech, but i was too late to get hold of it. If Scientologists can block a video so easily, imagine what the Elites are capable of where the stakes are so much higher, not least their own necks if the world ever realises what they are up to. |
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rodin
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| suraci wrote: | If Palestinians weren't firing the odd glorified firework into Israel the Israeli's would do it for them. In fact hamas or whoever is firing these things could just not bother and let Israel do it for them. Just imagine a world where Israel was not apparently rocketed on a daily basis, how could the world be convinced to support little old poor Israel, besieged on all sides for no other reason then wanting to live in peace in the land they've inhabited for all of ............sixty years, since they stole it at the point of a bayoneted rifle!
And youtube and google video and others are being heavily censored now. The intriguing clip of Peter Power and the London bombings (where he lets slip that an Israeli company he was working for had prior knowledge...ooops) is getting harder to find it seems.The clips aren't always removed it seems, but they are disguised or similar sounding clips are put up that draw the audience away.
I'd like to put up the video of nutter Tom Cruise talking about scientology just to annoy them and defend free speech, but i was too late to get hold of it. If Scientologists can block a video so easily, imagine what the Elites are capable of where the stakes are so much higher, not least their own necks if the world ever realises what they are up to. |
What clip of Power are you referring to? Do you mean the 'company of over 1000 people' clips? TIA
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