pepik, i have never held the postion that 'chemtrails' were harmful, i held the postion that there are different trails, contrails and some other which i did'nt know what it was i just knew it was different and not a NORMAL contrail.
i have provided enough information about cloud seeding, and saying that those who see chemtrails could well be seeing cloud seeding.
so i it is not a different arguement arguement as far as im concerned. my observation that there are different trails which are not contrails still stand.
Hi Marky
Have you ever seen a photo where a twin-engined plane is laying down more than 2 trails (however long they last), or a 4-engined plane is laying down more than 4 trails?
Wouldn't this be a requirement if a plane were blowing exhaust gasses plus some other stuff?
I've never seen such a photo, but perhaps you can put me right.
Speaking from anecdotal evidence, which is all you can with this issue really, the incident which I feel really made me take this issue with a new level of seriousness was on a warm and sunny summers morning.
I saw incidents through Autumn, and now some in Winter too. No doubt I will see more in spring. _________________
In fact "plane trails" (to use a neutral phrase) are mostly reported during high-pressure weather in winter, i.e. during cold and clear weather.
Do you have evidence for this? At what temperature and humidity range should we expect to see plane trails? thanks
You're the site founder and I presume you have easy access to the site's database?
Check reports of "chemtrail operations" (and other key words and phrases) throughout this site's history. If you feel so inclined, check other sites that report "chemtrail" sightings.
Let us know when "chemtrails" are mostly reported, eh?
Very good, and I am sure Tele will produce a picture of Lord Lucan at the controls if we ask him nicely!
He'd only pose away from the aircraft.
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I completely challenge the official version of events - I am not a 9/11 Truth Critic - I am not a 9/11 Truth Critic - I am not a 9/11 Truth Critic - I am not a 9/11 Truth Critic - I am not a 9/11 Truth Critic - I am not a 9/11 Truth Critic - I am not a 9/11 Truth Critic
I expect you have shown a lack of deference and respect to the Godling; this, too, is heresy.
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject:
Linda wrote:
http://www.rense.com/general80/inside.htm
Chemtrail Sprayer
Didn't read the article then Linda
Quote:
What you are looking at is an ordinary commercial aircraft configured for flight certification. I know this, becaue my past work included designing the control processor for a special switching system for Boeing Seattle flight by a company called ITI, inc. This system was used for routing analog downlink data from aircraft in the flight test room where FAA inspectors worked. In past essays you have read me rant about V1.0 software no longer being a standard or goal in software engineering. This switching system is one such system still running V1.0. This photo could very well be of a Boeing plane, based on my knowledge of how they perform flight testing.
Although it's nothing more than a personal experience (I know nothing about the author), the idea this guy is putting forward is that the same sort of natural humidity that encourages broken cloud would also explain the idea of broken chemtrails - chemtrails that exist in part of the sky and not in another.
I'm not making any grand claim for its relevance so don't get defensive
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 515 Location: London, England
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject:
karlos wrote:
Chemtrails is real, it is happening and the evidence for it is overwhelming. Barium Oxide has been found to be one of the main constituants.
Still waiting for some information to back up this statement, Karlos. Been nearly a month now. I know you are busy elsewhere on the forum, but when you find a moment I would love to know your sources.
Germany becomes the First Country to admit Clandestine Chemtrails Operations
For all those activists who have been investigating and reporting on clandestine government operations around the world to manipulate our weather patterns, this news from Germany is groundbreaking.
The TV news report states that “the military planes of the German Federal Army are manipulating our climate; this is what the weather researchers are presuming and their suspicions are confirmed…
“We can state with a 97% certainty that we have on our hands chemical trails (chemtrails) comprised by fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals.”
This is their main purpose, but I was surprised that this artificial cloud was so wide-spread. The radar images are stunning considering the needed tons of dispersed elements -- although, the federal army claims that only small amounts of material were propagated. The military heads claim that the substances used are not harmful.”
“In the United States of America there are protest after protest for many years now, against these military operations and now people are mobilising in Germany as well. Per example JOHANNES REMMEL of the Greens.
“It's obvious that enormous regions are being polluted with clandestine actions, but all of this has to be made public. The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population.”
This is a very significant development in the battle to find out why our governments are spraying chemicals into our atmosphere, however it is only the tip of the iceberg. As far as researchers have been able to conclude, chemical spraying by our governments have been in full operation since mid-to-late 1990’s (possibly earlier). The following video presentation is a great introduction to chemtrails and some of its possible implication:
Right now we can only speculate as to what type of chemicals are used in these operations, however one thing is certain, if we saw a car driving down the road, spewing out a plume of smoke the way these planes are doing we would be very concerned.
Considering that half the species in the world could be wiped out due to global warming, the least we could do is to demand that our governments explain what it is that they are spraying us with, specially if military heads are claiming “that the substances used are not harmful”. As we know, when the militaries of the world say we have nothing to be concerned about then we have everything to be concerned about. Keep in mind that chemtrails have been categorized as an “exotic weapons systems” by the 107th CONGRESS of the United States in House Bill H. R. 2977.
Further information on chemtrails at educate-yourself.org
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 645 Location: UK Midlands
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Chemtrails and Black Op systems
The thing is the German research forgets the main rule of black operations - which of course aerosol/particulate spraying is when undisclosed to 99.99% of people in govt. and ALL the general population - that is: use the declared system to operate other systems.
Research strongly indicates that there is more than one role to this process - the evidence, mostly gathered by civilians, points to this. It's just that they always [like 9/11] would prefer to gradually work people through the pretty benign elements and keep the "blacker" elements covert for as long as possible.
Thus we've had endless official or whistleblower "leaks" about how this phenomena is a "global sunscreen" [yeah right - and bush won't sign basic climate change agreements!] to mitigate global warming. This was obviously untrue and very few people who'd watched this thing develop in the late 90s believed it.
The idea of radar [more likely or as likely it's to disrupt new satellite observation tech] is more likely but I doubt it's the whole story. You see information I saw discussed how the nations agreeing upon the spraying over their country - which is all of them but China - mentioned a system of custody for the whole process of taking the aerosols from factory/lab to plane. The point they were trying to make was that the system had safeguards against *replacement* of canisters by one group/nation so that a country could not get bio-warfare agents 'accidently'.
The fact this system is in place suggests of course the opposite is true - and that there is always a way in for one group to abuse the "safe" program and introduce a local 'nefarious' one. When you look at civilian research - this may well have happened. With population reduction the #1 agenda on most globalist tables - having such a system is just too good to pass on. There was some suggestion SARS was aimed at the Asian population and distributed by [British] aircraft in Hong Kong. In addition we are getting increasing evidence on the link of arial distribution of nano-fiber based bio-agents. I think in a years time we'll know one way or the other. _________________ http://exopolitics.org.uk http://chemtrailsUK.net http://alienfalseflagagenda.net
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There seem to be some major problems with the chemtrails theory:
1. The evidence seems to be mostly because trails are said to persist, unlike real contrails. But since clouds persist in the right conditions, what is odd about contrails persisting in the right conditions, since they are both water vapour?
2. If chemicals are being sprayed, it is over everyone, including whoever is organising it and all their friends and relations, so it must be harmless.
3. Why would anything be sprayed, entailing a lot of flying about, when it could be simply and easily put in the water supply?
4. If something is being sprayed, why is that being done in a form in which it is so visible?
5. How has a plot so large been kept so secret, and no spray equipped plane ever been seen?
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 515 Location: London, England
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject:
6. Chemicals sprayed at such altitude have almost no chance of actually reaching the ground beneath where they are sprayed with any sort of efficiency.
(the answer to point 3, for the record, is that not everybody uses the mains water supply).
Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 591 Location: The Square Mile
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject:
no but who never drinks/eats in restaurants or eats prepared/processed food and drink which has come in contact with tap water, i.e. who never leaves the house? _________________ "could it be that ww2 and the extermination of jewish people was planned as a way of creating a race of people who it would be difficult to blame for anything, a cover race for the illuminati?" - a quote NOT from the 'controversial theories' section.
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 515 Location: London, England
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject:
pepik wrote:
no but who never drinks/eats in restaurants or eats prepared/processed food and drink which has come in contact with tap water, i.e. who never leaves the house?
Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 591 Location: The Square Mile
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:39 am Post subject:
They must be the ones behind the chemtrails!
It makes sense, they've had all this UFO contact, they could have access to all kinds of alien technology. CUI BONO! _________________ "could it be that ww2 and the extermination of jewish people was planned as a way of creating a race of people who it would be difficult to blame for anything, a cover race for the illuminati?" - a quote NOT from the 'controversial theories' section.
Chemtrails is real, it is happening and the evidence for it is overwhelming. Barium Oxide has been found to be one of the main constituants.
Still waiting for some information to back up this statement, Karlos. Been nearly a month now. I know you are busy elsewhere on the forum, but when you find a moment I would love to know your sources.
i would disagree with the statement, barium oxide could be coming from absolutly anywhere. it can be caused by other means, so proving it came from trails is not that simple.
Barium is surprisingly abundant in the Earth's crust, being the 14th most abundant element. High amounts of barium may only be found in soils and in food, such as nuts, seaweed, fish and certain plants.
Because of the extensive use of barium in the industries human activities add greatly to the release of barium in the environment. As a result barium concentrations in air, water and soil may be higher than naturally occurring concentrations on many locations.
Last edited by marky 54 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:42 pm; edited 1 time in total
There seem to be some major problems with the chemtrails theory:
1. The evidence seems to be mostly because trails are said to persist, unlike real contrails. But since clouds persist in the right conditions, what is odd about contrails persisting in the right conditions, since they are both water vapour?
2. If chemicals are being sprayed, it is over everyone, including whoever is organising it and all their friends and relations, so it must be harmless.
3. Why would anything be sprayed, entailing a lot of flying about, when it could be simply and easily put in the water supply?
4. If something is being sprayed, why is that being done in a form in which it is so visible?
5. How has a plot so large been kept so secret, and no spray equipped plane ever been seen?
are you assuming that trails to kill people is the only theory put forward?
i do not support that theory for many reason, some of them you point out.
may i ask your take on the possibility of weather moderfication using unharmful chemicals or low risk chemicals? where do you stand on that, and what would you consider to be the problems?
There seem to be some major problems with the chemtrails theory:
1. The evidence seems to be mostly because trails are said to persist, unlike real contrails. But since clouds persist in the right conditions, what is odd about contrails persisting in the right conditions, since they are both water vapour?
2. If chemicals are being sprayed, it is over everyone, including whoever is organising it and all their friends and relations, so it must be harmless.
3. Why would anything be sprayed, entailing a lot of flying about, when it could be simply and easily put in the water supply?
4. If something is being sprayed, why is that being done in a form in which it is so visible?
5. How has a plot so large been kept so secret, and no spray equipped plane ever been seen?
are you assuming that trails to kill people is the only theory put forward?
i do not support that theory for many reason, some of them you point out.
may i ask your take on the possibility of weather moderfication using unharmful chemicals or low risk chemicals? where do you stand on that, and what would you consider to be the problems?
I am assuming that chemtrails theorists think the dispersed chemicals harmful in some way, not necessarily lethal.
The only weather modification I know of is getting clouds to rain, hardly necessary in this country, and not possible in clear skies, when trails are often seen and photographed.
If there were chemtrails and they were harmless, there would be no need for the absolutely watertight, and therefore hugely complicated and expensive, security which must surround the operations to ensure that nothing has ever leaked out.
Are we accepting that the 'wavey' trail is running alongside the straight one or are they at dramatically differing heights? _________________ I completely challenge the official version of events - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC -I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC
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