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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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That was a good show.
I especially liked the lunkhead no planers calling in claiming to be top aero engineers and ex air force etc..
After hearing them speak, I don't think I'd have let them so much as change a fuse without double checking it afterwards. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Stephen Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Please move to 9/11 Controveries
I've been frettened with being banned for deliberately posting in the wrong section. Moderators Chek is promulgating this thread and is a Valid Poster yet this thread is in the wrong section something not right here?
This isnt the fist time people on this forum has been posting anti-NoPlane theads on the front page, if I dont complain about it nothing much gets done, they just get left on the home page its happened about a 6 times, but if I or other No planers post controversal stuff on general then it usualy gets moved strait away.
Will Gareth be getting a PM warning about this? |
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know what the moderator's criteria are, but maybe it's because planes were actually used at the WTC, its not controversial except to a minority sub-sect (with no valid evidence).
But anyone promoting no planes is a controversy - because of their daft claims (with no valid evidence). _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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ollieb Minor Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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The host is sounding like Fox News.As for Lawson he is ex BBC.Funny hows he's defending the media.They're both Popular mecanics |
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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ollieb wrote: | The host is sounding like Fox News.As for Lawson he is ex BBC.Funny hows he's defending the media.They're both Popular mecanics |
Even funnier how some people perceive things.
I wonder if no planers will ever get it that exposing their un-evidenced theory with all its spin off corollaries is not the same as supporting the official story. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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ollieb Minor Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Chek.....you really hate this stuff.You love Lawson's "work".So I'm assuming you also think this no plane stuff is designed to discredit the truth movement,dissinfo or whatever.The problem I have with this,is simple.Surley, if it was the case that there were no planes,it would leave demolition as the only explaination for the buildings collapsing.And thats the thing you want people to know,is'nt it?So that accusation makes no sence.Just give me a good explaination for that Chek.You have ago too Lawson. |
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ollieb Minor Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Is that gareth?
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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ollieb wrote: | Chek.....you really hate this stuff. You love Lawson's "work". So I'm assuming you also think this no plane stuff is designed to discredit the truth movement,dissinfo or whatever. The problem I have with this,is simple. Surley, if it was the case that there were no planes, it would leave demolition as the only explaination for the buildings collapsing. And thats the thing you want people to know,is'nt it?So that accusation makes no sence.Just give me a good explaination for that Chek. You have ago too Lawson. |
This thread may explain my take on this stuff to you better than a straight reply.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=13395 _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Jack Moderate Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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reading the posts of no-planers, i have to assume that these people are either joking or desperately cretinous. |
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jfk Moderate Poster
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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And that's your response is it, jfk?
Making fun of genghis and his total failure to understand perspective and direction in the 3-D world when translated into a 2-D image.... dear God.
What actual point were you trying to make?
Or can't you say till you find a suitable video to link to. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Jack wrote: | reading the posts of no-planers, i have to assume that these people are either joking or desperately cretinous. |
I tend to think of them as the wasting disease of the "truth movement". Though I freely admit that I'm not always feeling that charitable. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Dogsmilk Mighty Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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chek wrote: | Jack wrote: | reading the posts of no-planers, i have to assume that these people are either joking or desperately cretinous. |
I tend to think of them as the wasting disease of the "truth movement". Though I freely admit that I'm not always feeling that charitable. |
I sometimes find myself wondering if there's something about people who have been raised constantly surrounded by TV, the net and films chock full of CGI; a need to interpret events solely via flat screen images and base everything around what they (think they) see on TV. It interests me that the medium itself is so heavily promoted by wannabe music videos and cack-handed attempts at video titillation. The total output of little films on a narrow and repetitive theme by a small number of people in a short space of time is pretty immense. Perhaps I'm talking sh!te, but I think a sociologist would certainly get a paper out of it. _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD |
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Stephen Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Stephen wrote: | Please move to 9/11 Controveries
I've been frettened with being banned for deliberately posting in the wrong section. Moderators Chek is promulgating this thread and is a Valid Poster yet this thread is in the wrong section something not right here?
This isnt the fist time people on this forum has been posting anti-NoPlane theads on the front page, if I dont complain about it nothing much gets done, they just get left on the home page its happened about a 6 times, but if I or other No planers post controversal stuff on general then it usualy gets moved strait away.
Will Gareth be getting a PM warning about this? |
I've made a mistake with complaining on this thread, sorry Gareth. |
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Alulim Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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I have trouble listening to Cosmos at all, but I've decided to suffer through it in order to hear what Jim Hoffman had to say. So far I have no reason (beyond his affirmation of Arabesque) to question Jim's credibility.
One thing that strikes me right off is Cosmos is pushing "In Their Own Words" just before he dives into "no planes and TV fakery". I have serious misgivings about the message of the video he's promoting. IIRC it's promoting the fall-back story. That would make a pretty good shtick. Set up your subtle disinfo juxtaposed with blatant disinfo so that yours appears to be credible info in comparison. _________________ "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~ Thomas Jefferson
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Pennsylvania Historical Review (1759) |
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gareth Suspended
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Alulim wrote: |
..One thing that strikes me right off is Cosmos is pushing "In Their Own Words" just before he dives into "no planes and TV fakery". I have serious misgivings about the message of the video he's promoting. IIRC it's promoting the fall-back story. That would make a pretty good shtick. Set up your subtle disinfo juxtaposed with blatant disinfo so that yours appears to be credible info in comparison. |
From the Press for Truth website
Quote: | In late 2006, the movie 9/11 Press For Truth became a worldwide underground hit. It exposed the story of the "Jersey Girls" and their allies -- the 9/11 families who had fought for the Commission but ultimately failed in seeing 70% of their questions answered.
IN THEIR OWN WORDS: THE UNTOLD STORIES OF THE 9/11 FAMILIES is the new, official companion DVD to 9/11 Press For Truth. Over 2 hours of unseen families' interviews and rare news clips originally intended for inclusion in the movie ended up on the cutting room floor -- until now.
A unique, balanced look at a diverse group of topics includes:
- Top officials' whereabouts and changing stories on the day of 9/11
- Insider trading before the attacks
- War games coinciding with Sept. 11th
- A confrontation between the families and FBI Director Mueller
- British reports that some of the hijackers named by the FBI are simply wrong
- Government whistleblowers' calls for accountability
- The FBI informant who lived with 2 of the hijackers
- A Defense Department program that identified 4 hijackers in 2000
- The families' push to receive the Pentagon crash tapes
- Bin Laden extradition negotiations after 9/11
- The Project For the New American Century
- And much more... |
In Their Own Words on google video
Press For Truth on google video
Apart from your other nonsense i'd like to know what information in either Press For Truth or In Their Own Words is deliberately incorrect or misleading? I ask because i've found both films to be the best introductions for newcomers to these matters and i'm interested in why you would associate either of them with the term 'subtle disinfo'.
Please explain... _________________ www.truthaction.org/forum
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Alulim Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I am NOT saying any of the victims' family members are intending to mislead. I will have to review ITOW before I say too much more, but I do recall having the sense that the producer was cobbling together pieces in order to produce a whole which would likely not have represented the opinions of the contributors.
I have recommended Press for Truth, and will continue to do so. I believe it is flawed in so much as it leans too much toward LIHOP with Islamakazi terrorists. OTOH, there is more than enough BS about what happened in Afghanistan that calling attention to it is a worthy cause. _________________ "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~ Thomas Jefferson
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Pennsylvania Historical Review (1759) |
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gareth Suspended
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Alulim Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Small world. _________________ "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~ Thomas Jefferson
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Pennsylvania Historical Review (1759) |
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gruts Major Poster
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Dogsmilk wrote: | I sometimes find myself wondering if there's something about people who have been raised constantly surrounded by TV, the net and films chock full of CGI; a need to interpret events solely via flat screen images and base everything around what they (think they) see on TV. |
you reminded me of this golden oldie....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgOWTM5R2DA |
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Alulim Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Something I wrote around 1980. A couple years after I had stopped watching TV.
Hypnovision
It fills you full of bs
At thirty frames per second
Whilst protraying the illusion
That the hero always wins
A sudden pause for a brief message
Post-hypnotically suggested
And the daemon wins again
Used to pacify your children
And to pass your own free-time
You live in television
And you loose your own free mind _________________ "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~ Thomas Jefferson
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Pennsylvania Historical Review (1759) |
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Anthony Lawson Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: Getting it Wrong |
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Getting it Wrong
ollieb:
First, you have deduced, from my voice, I assume, that I am ex-BBC. Wrong. I am not; I just like to talk proper, like my mum taught me to. So what else are you wrong about?
ollieb wrote: | Chek.....you really hate this stuff.You love Lawson's "work".So I'm assuming you also think this no plane stuff is designed to discredit the truth movement,dissinfo or whatever.The problem I have with this,is simple.Surley, if it was the case that there were no planes,it would leave demolition as the only explaination for the buildings collapsing.And thats the thing you want people to know,is'nt it?So that accusation makes no sence.Just give me a good explaination for that Chek.You have ago too Lawson. |
There were planes, but controlled demolitions caused the buildings to collapse, not the planes.
Why do you consider that a scenario which excludes planes is the only scenario which allows for controlled demolitions?
You might like to consider using a spell-check and grammar utility, when you post your answer. Low-tech dictionaries work. _________________ The truth won't set you free, but identifying the liars could help make the world a better place. |
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gruts Major Poster
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for posting this - I've only just got round to watching it and thought it was every bit as good as "9/11 Press For Truth". |
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Anthony Lawson Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: Download? |
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Download?
gruts wrote: | thanks for posting this - I've only just got round to watching it and thought it was every bit as good as "9/11 Press For Truth". |
Does anyone know if there is a downloadable version of this video that can be saved to disc? _________________ The truth won't set you free, but identifying the liars could help make the world a better place. |
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Download? |
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Anthony Lawson wrote: | Download?
gruts wrote: | thanks for posting this - I've only just got round to watching it and thought it was every bit as good as "9/11 Press For Truth". |
Does anyone know if there is a downloadable version of this video that can be saved to disc? |
If any one does download it, please pm me because I'd also love a copy. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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