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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: GUARDIAN: Inside the world of 7/7 CTers Reply with quote

Seeing isn't believing

A year on from 7/7, wild rumours are circulating about who planted the bombs and why. Some people even claim this picture of the four bombers was faked. Mark Honigsbaum, who accidentally triggered at least one of the conspiracy theories, investigates

Tuesday June 27, 2006
The Guardian


On July 10 last year, Bridget Dunne opened the Sunday newspapers eager for information about the blasts that had brought death and mayhem to London three days earlier. Like many people that weekend, Dunne was confused by the conflicting reports surrounding what had initially been described as a series of "power surges" on the tube. Why were the Metropolitan Police saying that these surges, which were now being attributed to bombs, had occurred simultaneously at 8.50am, when they had originally been described as taking place over the space of 26 minutes?
Dunne, a 51-year-old foster carer, was also having trouble squaring the Met's statement on July 8 that there was "no evidence to suggest that the attacks were the result of suicide bombings" with the growing speculation that Islamic suicide bombers and al-Qaida were to blame for the blasts that had hit the London underground and a bus in Tavistock Square. The Met Commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, had talked himself of "these people who oppose our way of life".

"I'm not a conspiracy theorist," insists Dunne. "I was just trying to make a cohesive, coherent story from the facts."

But while the papers that Sunday were full of interviews with people who had survived the bombs, and there was plenty of speculation about Osama bin Laden's involvement, Dunne could find nothing about the times of the tube trains in and out of King's Cross on the morning of July 7.

When, a few days later, police released the now famous CCTV image of Shehzad Tanweer, Mohammad Sidique Khan, Jermaine Lindsay and Hasib Hussain entering Luton station, her suspicions deepened. How had police identified the bombers so quickly? And how was it that amid the carnage of twisted metal and bloody body parts they had been able to recover credit cards and other ID placing the men at the scene of the crime?

Suspecting something was not right, Dunne, who lives in Camden, north London, wrote to her local paper. "Do you think we are being told the truth over these bombings?" she asked. "There are so many unanswered questions that just don't make any sense."

Dunne's letter was immediately picked up by a blogger called Blaugustine and within days she found herself the recipient, via the internet, of other intriguing snippets, such as the claim that on the morning of 7/7 a former Scotland Yard anti-terrorism branch official had been staging a training exercise based on bombs going off simultaneously at precisely the stations that had been targeted. Convinced more than ever that something was not right, Dunne decided to share her thoughts with her new friends on the internet.

"I have only one reason for starting this blog," she wrote last August. "It is to ascertain the facts behind the events in London on and since the July 7 2005 ... That the times of trains were totally absent from the public domain was one of the factors which led to my suspicions that what we were being told happened was not what actually happened."

It was a few days after the blasts that I first became aware of the disconnect between what most people believe and accept happened on 7/7 - that four British-born Muslim men decided, of their own volition and for reasons that we may never fully understand, to detonate a series of suicide bombs on the London underground - and what people like Dunne suspect happened.

Like many Londoners, I never reached my office on the morning of July 7 but arrived at the tube at 9.30am to find it already closed. Dispatched by the Guardian's newsdesk directly to Edgware Road, I arrived just as passengers from the bombed westbound Circle line train were emerging from the temporary triage centre that had been set up in Marks & Spencer by a former firefighter, Paul Dadge.

As with other major London crime scenes - the Israeli embassy bombing in Kensington, the Paddington rail crash, the Brixton nail bombing - the situation was one of confusion and flux. The police had only just begun to cordon off the station, while the fire brigade was attributing the incident to a power surge, even though it was already obvious to all but the greenest commuter that three simultaneous incidents on the tube made little sense even by London underground's woeful performance standards.

I asked passengers what they had seen and experienced and was told by two survivors from the bombed train that, at the moment of the blast, the covers on the floor of their carriage had flown up - the phrase they used was "raised up". There was no time to check their statements as moments later the police widened the cordon and I was directed to the opposite pavement, outside the Metropole hotel.

Moments later, Davinia Turrell, the famous "woman in the mask", emerged from M&S together with other injured passengers and I followed them into the hotel. It was from there that at around 11am I phoned a hurried, and what I now know to be flawed, audio report to the Guardian. In the report, broadcast on our website, I said that it "was believed" there had been an explosion "under the carriage of the train". I also said that "some passengers described how the tiles, the covers on the floors of the train, flew up, raised up".

It later became clear from interviewing other passengers who had been closer to the seat of the explosion that the bomb had actually detonated inside the train, not under it, but my comments, disseminated over the internet where they could be replayed ad nauseam, were already taking on a life of their own.

"Did July 7 bombs explode under trains?" read a posting that referred to my report a few weeks later. "Eyewitness accounts appear to contradict the theory that suicide bombers were responsible for killing 39 [sic] passengers on London's tube network that day."

Another went even further: "How Black Ops staged the London bombings: Staged terror events - like magic tricks - rely on misdirection to throw people off the track ... The bombs on the underground were not in the tube carriages. They were under the floors of the carriages."

Soon, internet chatrooms and blog sites were buzzing with even more bizarre theories: the bombers thought they were delivering drugs but were deceived, set up and murdered; or they thought they were carrying dummy "bombs" designed to test London's defences; or the plot was monitored by any number of secret services, from M15 to the CIA to Mossad, who let it happen in order to foment anti-Muslim feeling. Then there are the claims by 9/11 conspiracy theorists that 7/7, like the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, were all part of a cunning scheme to further the pro-Iraq war agenda of the Bush/Blair governments and the "New World Order".

In the past week we have had two more claims. The first came in a book by US journalist Ron Suskind, alleging that Khan was considered so dangerous by the FBI that in 2003 the US placed him on a "no fly list" - a claim that was promptly rubbished by the FBI as a case of mistaken identity.

Then, on Saturday, this paper reported that a computer technician who helped to encrypt emails at an Islamic bookshop in Leeds where Khan and Tanweer used to hang out became so alarmed by their calls for jihad that in October 2003 he delivered a dossier to West Yorkshire anti-terrorist police. Martin Gilbertson's claims have not been denied. West Yorkshire police simply admitted it couldn't say whether or not his dossier had "made its way into the intelligence system".

Given such confusion, the proliferation of 7/7 conspiracy theories is hardly surprising. Ever since the Kennedy assassination, people's faith in the official narratives surrounding seismic political events has been steadily eroding. In their place have come what Don DeLillo, in Libra, his brilliant psychological novel about Kennedy's assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, calls "theories that gleam like jade idols". Such theories are seductive precisely because, as DeLillo puts it, they are "four-faced, graceful". Employing a 20/20 hindsight whose starting point is always cui bono - who benefits? - they masquerade as an interrogation of the facts but are actually a labyrinth of mirrors.

But whereas in 1988, when Libra was published, it took years for conspiracy theories to come together through the sluggish medium of print and telephone, today such networks can be created instantaneously with a few clicks of a mouse.

At first sight, Dunne appears as far removed from this paranoid ether-world as you could imagine. Ushering me into her flat, she says she would dearly love to "turn the clock back to before July 7, before I had all these questions" and, for a moment, I believe her.

"Before my letter was published in the Camden New Journal, I had little idea of how the internet or blogs worked," she tells me. "I was surprised to discover how many people shared my concerns."

Today, however, Dunne appears extremely internet savvy. She has invited a colleague to our meeting - a blogger with long dark hair who gives his name only as the Antagonist. From Dunne's blog you can link directly to the Antagonist and other bookmarked sites including that of the July 7 Truth Campaign.

At first glance this appears to be an objective guide to everything that happened on 7/7 and afterwards. But click a little deeper and it soon becomes apparent that the campaign, with its linked people's inquiry forum and petition calling for the release of "all the evidence" about 7/7, considers the official Home Office account, in which the blame is laid squarely on the four suicide bombers pictured entering Luton station, to be just a "story".

The first "hole" in the narrative is the Home Office's claim that on July 7 the quartet boarded a 7.40am Thameslink train to King's Cross. According to Dunne, when an independent researcher visited Luton and demanded a train schedule from Thameslink, he was told that the 7.40am had never run and that the next available train, the 7.48, had arrived at King's Cross at 8.42 - in other words too late for the bombers to have boarded the three tube trains that exploded, according to the official timings, eight minutes later at Aldgate, Edgware Road and Russell Square.

The next problem is the CCTV picture. If you look closely at the image, Dunne says, you will see that the railings behind Khan, the man in the white baseball cap, appear to run in front of his left arm while another rail appears to slice through his head. "It's just a theory but some people believe the image was faked in Photoshop," she tells me.

To Dunne's way of thinking, this theory is bolstered by the fact that police have never released the further CCTV footage showing the four emerging on to the concourse at King's Cross where, according to the home office narrative, they are seen hugging and appear "euphoric". Then there is the "fact" that in the only other CCTV sequence of the bombers taken on June 28 (the day police believe they made a test run to London), only three men - Khan, Tanweer and Lindsay - are seen entering Luton station. Hasib Hussain, who would detonate a rucksack bomb on the top deck of the No 30 bus, providing the only above-ground image of what Sir Ian Blair would later call "the largest criminal inquiry in English history", is nowhere to be seen.

"I know people who have spoken to Hasib Hussain's family," says Dunne. "He was in the middle of his college career. He was taking driving lessons. I don't have a conspiracy theory, but until I've seen all the evidence and can personally join the dots I can't say that he or any of these men were suicide bombers."

Dunne and the Antagonist aren't the only ones who would like to see all the evidence. Rachel North, who was travelling in the front carriage of the Piccadilly line train with Lindsay when he detonated his bomb deep beneath Russell Square, and who miraculously escaped with only minor injuries, has also called for an independent public inquiry.

But unlike Dunne she does not think there is any mystery about what happened. "We all know what happened," she says. "We were there. What we want to know is why it happened."

She says that conspiracy theorists have repeatedly twisted her words to make out there was no bomb on her train and even that she is a professional M15 disinformation agent. When she challenged these claims, she says she was subjected to vitriolic abuse. As a consequence, she refuses to have anything to do with the July 7 Truth Campaign or related sites, arguing that they risk undermining the legitimacy of survivors' calls for a public inquiry.

"I have had endless run-ins with these people," she says. "Some of them are fairly well intentioned, if eccentric, others hugely offensive. I worry that they are making all of us look like conspiracy theorists and/or traumatised people who shouldn't be taken seriously."

She argues that given that inquests have yet to be held, and the ongoing mass-murder inquiry, it is hardly surprising that the police have withheld evidence from the public domain. Quite apart from the distress that the release of CCTV images might cause relatives, North says she has been told there are people in the background of the King's Cross CCTV sequence whom police are still trying to trace.

Police have also kept back details of what the bombers were wearing in order to be sure that witness statements taken from people who may have seen them on the Thameslink train can be corroborated. "Train timetables rarely bear any relation to real life," says North dismissively. "Where conspiracy theorists go with this is that the train never ran, so the bombers were never on the train, or the bombers were lured to Luton and then taken away and killed and their body parts were placed on the tube later to incriminate Muslims. They just take these small anomalies, which is what you will get in any rolling, multi-sourced news investigation, and make it into evidence of a conspiracy."

North isn't the only person with first-hand experience of 7/7 whose testimony has been called into question. Paul Dadge, the "hero of Edgware Road" (it was his idea to set up the temporary triage centre in M&S), who was photographed leading Davinia Turrell from M&S to the Metropole hotel, has also been on the receiving end. On internet bulletin boards people have questioned why he is wearing blue surgical gloves in the picture (reproduced on the cover of G2) and wonder why Turrell, who is now 25, appears "so old" and where she got the mask from.

"Basically, people were saying the picture was made up by the government to forward the campaign against terrorism in Iraq," Dadge tells me when we meet near his office in west London.

Dadge never reached work on 7/7 but was forced to interrupt his journey at Baker Street. Travelling on a westbound Hammersmith & City line train just behind the bombed Circle line train, he left the station at 8.53am and began walking towards Paddington when he noticed the fire engines heading towards Edgware Road and decided to investigate. To this day, his abiding memory, like my own, is one of confusion and chaos. In his testimony to the London Assembly, Dadge told the inquiry team looking into the failings of the emergency response that he felt he had no choice but to take command of the situation as the police were clearly overstretched and it was "becoming difficult to establish who was passing public, and who was involved in the incident".

For the record, Dadge who works for the internet provider AOL and whose job there, ironically, involves monitoring discussion threads, says he was not part of any "black ops" but obtained the gloves from a paramedic in M&S. The same paramedics provided Turrell with the mask to protect her burns. Yet although Dadge, like North, has been a target for vitriol - some objected to his being described as a hero - he doesn't seem to mind.

"I don't read the conspiracy theories and get upset," he says. "I read them and I'm intrigued."

Indeed, it is natural after an event as cataclysmic and unexpected as 7/7 to want to interrogate what happened. But interrogation is not the same as understanding, and after a certain point you must move on.

As I leave Dunne's flat, she tells me that she and the Antagonist are in the process of refining the July 7 Truth Campaign site and are still uncovering new "facts". "I can't explain it but something shifted for me that day," she says.

When I get home, I decide to take a look. Under the heading Some Hypotheses is a list of alternative theories. Number one is "al-Qaida mastermind recruited British Muslims as suicide bombers". Number three is "homegrown and autonomous action by four British Muslims with no mastermind." But it is hypothesis eight that attracts my attention: "The four men were chosen or lured to be patsies in a classic 'false flag operation'."

Beneath the headline is an extract from a newspaper interview with a passenger on the Aldgate train, reporting that the metal around the hole in the bomb carriage was "pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train". But it is the next entry that I find most alarming. Highlighted in blue is the sentence: "Mark Honingsbaum [sic] also recorded several witnesses speaking of explosions under the floor of the train."

I click on the link and listen once again to my off-the-cuff recording from the Metropole hotel. Then I press the button and loop the broadcast a second time. In the internet age, it seems, some canards never die.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,,1806794,00.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:25 am    Post subject: Journalists KNOW the TRUTH Reply with quote

But they are part of an elaborate game of participating in the stage set known as the 'war on terror'.

All of the 'evidence' with effect to what happened on 7/7 is riddled with contradictions just as the justifications are for foreign interventions. In order to justify and to maintain the 'war on terror' as a permanent policy, innocent people are sacrificed.

For no major political party to demand a full public inquiry means that they are in on the act alongside the media. When they finally do give in to one like they did in the USA it will be a WHITEWASH as time will have elapsed.

The issue here is WHY did the Guardian present a section of the views which aren't mainstream? Has the official version reached its natural time limits?

Is it time now to control the 'conspiracy' theories? Ie a managed public inquiry?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see the campaign is acheiving penetration enough for mainstream rebuttals even before a year is out...

One thought for the above article: Tavistock Square

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honingsbaum ain't very nice the way he's framing the argument, can't stand the whole 'the government/media doesn't lie' approach. yuk
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats not the half of the fruit-loop aspects of that article...

Not particularily mentally fresh myself (interupted sleep) so I wont do something in-depth now...but am I right in thinking his counter argument to the train times from Luton isnt that the trains DID run on time..but that conspiracy theorists are niave and dont realise trains are often late? Hence end running around the whole question whilst appearing to be "fair" to it?

And theres so much more in there as well...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this article is great.

At least some of the arguments are being presented in the leading media and by a middle aged woman who works in the care profession. If this article had been written from the angle of an angry 25 year old male then the issue would be much harder for Joe Public to get a grip on. Sorry of this all sounds sexist and ageist.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three observations:
1. It's (yet again) a look at the "World of Conspiracy Theorists". This is the usual approach of treating those who disagree with the official theory as a bit weird. It doesnt actually address the issues raised.
2. The raised floors on the tube train: why does Honigsbaum give credence to the second batch of witnesses who say the bomb was in the train? He doesnt explain why they were more believable or even quote what they said.
3. The train times: Again there is no reasoned discussion of the fact that the 7.40 train did not run; merely quoting Rachel North (aaarggh!) "Train timetables rarely bear any relation to real life" and leaving it at that.
What is the logic behind believing (say) Rachel North and not the tube witnesses? The agenda is set from the word go - the official version must be upheld. Either that or "we cannot believe there is anything suspicious going on or we will look different and stand out from the crowd" - become Conspiracy Theorists - and we can't have that can we?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I have been anxiously awaiting this interview to be published, I must say that Mark has at least 'got the infromation out there' around the train times the CCTV image and the demand to Release the Evidence. It wasn't anything like the hatchet job it could have been.

Rachel is disingenuous in maintaining that we refer to the scheduled timetable rather than the actual train times that morning, but as she can no longer claim they took a different train this is the last option open to her I suspect.

Perhaps a few letters to the Guardian or comments on their website could keep the debate around these issues going? Over to you.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article is not on the Comment blog unfortunately so it's letters only I think.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it is hypothesis eight that attracts my attention: "The four men were chosen or lured to be patsies in a classic 'false flag operation'."

I think for a mainstream journalist in a mainstream newspaper Mark has managed to get across a lot information.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: Conspiraloons... Reply with quote

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Interesting article in G2 today, I don't know why it still surprises me that internet conspiraloons are prepared to abuse people over the internet because they don't agree with their ridiculous conspiraloon theories.

I'm not surprised that you refuse to engage with the conspiraloons. Why bother, their minds are already made up, or should i say, already closed.

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This is the type of message that is posted on this mysterious character going by the name of Rachel North who has a 'victim' past and knows everything about 7/7.
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Anyone questioning the various versions of the official story, there are too many versions to actually stick to one as there are for the No 30 bus driver, the murder of the brazilian, the forest road raid ad nauseum.

To characterise people in such a disgusting manner, leaves no room but to view such opinions with contempt as they want people to believe not in one line but in multiple versions of the same big lie, that four people on the basis of clearly forged CCTV 'evidence' were responsible for what is essentially murder on an indiscriminate basis in order to criminalise communities and people.

I think if the victims families of 7/7 are calling for an enquiry the Guardian is trying to pre-empt the situation by clamping down on dissenting views by presenting a small section of them in order to 'expose' them.

Lies unfortunately have a natural habit of rebounding back to those who perpetrate them. Politicians, media, police, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@conspirator

This is an interesting juncture. All sorts of stuff is flying around. It could be said that the Guardian is doing a limited hangout. But even that is significant. We have got movement. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/06/343675.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nafeez Ahmed has written a new book on the topic of the 7/7 bombings in which he raises a large number of questions that the mainstream media including the Guardian are unwilling to address. The book is called The London Bombings and is published by Duckworth.
I will be more inclined to believe that the Guardian is serious about the issues rather than just a limited hangout suggested by some of your correpondents when it actually discusses the type of questions raied by Mr Ahmed.
I suspect that their article is rather like the limited exposure issues of 11 September 2001 are now receiving in some parts of the mainstream media. Mentions is made of the fact that there are sceptics of the official story and sometimes mention is even made of some of those topics of scepticism. But never does one read the detailed basis of the scepticism, and the casual reader is left with the impression that sceptics are just singing from the looney tunes handbook.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Response to Seeing isn't Believing by J7 Truth Campaign:

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Inconsistencies and errors mar the July 7 narrative

An independent public inquiry into the London bombings is long overdue, says Beverley Martin

Tuesday July 4, 2006
The Guardian

As one of the editors of the July 7 Truth Campaign website, I would like to thank Mark Honigsbaum for listening to our concerns and for presenting a balanced view (Seeing isn't believing, June 27). Our website is not a "conspiracy" site with a theory to promote and, as Mr Honigsbaum himself saw, we have taken the time to outline all the proposed theories in our search for the truth; we do not subscribe to any one of them. We are not affiliated to any political or religious movement, and our only agenda is to establish the facts of the events of July 7 2005.

We all feel very strongly that we needed to raise awareness of exactly how riddled with anomalies and flaws the reports of this event are.

When referring to the 7.40 train from Luton to London that was cancelled on the morning of July 7, the article reported Rachel North, who stated: "Train timetables rarely bear any relation to real life. Where conspiracy theorists go with this is that the train never ran ... They just take these small anomalies ... and make it into evidence of a conspiracy."

The purpose of our site is not just to highlight the inconsistencies and errors in the media reporting of the London bombings, but also in the report of the official account of the London bombings - the narrative - from the Home Office, which was supposed to offer a definitive account of the events of that day.

In the case of this train, which the narrative stated the four suspects caught, the cancellation was confirmed by the communications manager for Thameslink Rail, who supplied the actual times the trains ran that morning. This information was not obtained from a train schedule, which, of course, would be unlikely to be accurate on any given day. This is merely one of numerous oddities in the narrative that we have documented on the website.

It should also be made clear that we do not endorse the "vitriolic abuse" of survivors; I acknowledge that there have been some quite outlandish accusations against Rachel North by a few people unconnected to our campaign, but we at J7 Truth have never suggested that Ms North is anything other than a genuine survivor. We have certainly never entered into speculation regarding Paul Dadge or Davinia Turrell. With an issue such as this, there will be different approaches by all who are questioning it, but the views expressed by a few should not be taken to represent the whole.

We would like to see an independent public inquiry into the London bombings of July 7, in line with the campaign by Amnesty International, the Law Society of England and Wales, the Finucane Family Campaign, and many other legal, human and civil rights organisations. They all oppose the Inquiries Act 2005 - a piece of legislation that renders all public inquiries subject to state approval and, therefore, not independent. The public have so far been denied any kind of inquiry and the narrative only served to raise more questions than it attempted to answer in the first place. There should not be this level of discrepancy and incongruity in the official account almost a year on from this terrible event.

ยท Beverley Martin edits the July 7 Truth Campaign website www.julyseventh.co.uk

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1811911,00.html

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can add your views to the article here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1812074,00.html

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get into this one people, it's developing nicely....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this sympathetic coverage (see last post) of 7/7 in the Independent of Sunday may have been missed by people

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=2446
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