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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: British government infiltration of IRA Reply with quote

A short article from today's Observer:

IRA spy row deepens

Henry McDonald
The Observer, Sunday February 10 2008

Northern Ireland's Truth Commissioners have been shown three filing cabinets containing details about British state agents working inside the IRA and other republican organisations, The Observer has learnt.

Dr Robin Eames and Denis Bradley were shown the material during a recent visit to detectives from the Stevens Inquiry in London, which for nearly two decades has been investigating collusion between the security forces and paramilitary groups.

The duo, who have been asked to draw up a detailed report on the nature of the Troubles, were said to be 'taken back' by their findings, particularly the extent to which the IRA and Sinn Féin had been infiltrated by the security forces.

The Church of Ireland Primate and the ex-priest were unavailable for comment this weekend. So far they have refused to comment publicly about any of their findings. However, sources close to their inquiry told The Observer that both men had been shocked about the depth of penetration of the republican movement.

'They have been stunned by how many agents the RUC and MI5 had inside the Provos,' one source said yesterday. 'When they were in London, they were shown three cabinets of files on the use of republican agents alone.'

The revelations regarding spies inside republican organisations comes as the IRA and Sinn Féin absorbs the shock over the Roy McShane affair. The 58-year-old west Belfast republican was revealed on Friday as a long-term MI5 agent inside the IRA.

McShane had been a bodyguard and driver forsenior Sinn Féin figures, including Gerry Adams.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's new.. its well known that both both side's were infiltrated and effectively run by GCHQ since the mid eightie's and that the troubles could have ended much sooner had MI5 wanted it.
I'm just waiting on Gerry Adams clearing his throat at a press conference and saying.. "achem Ladie's and Gentlemen I have something I would like to get off my chest! Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Ian Paisley Snr is really a catholic priest!!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fish5133 wrote:
And Ian Paisley Snr is really a catholic priest!!

Well that's always a possibility
It's well known that Martin McGuiness has always been an MI5 agent, and that the IRA was always infiltrated from the bottom to the top, whilst the Orange-orchestrated loyalist units were supplied with strategies and targets by the British Army's Force Reaction Unit
The Troubles were a completely manipulated event, until the war on terror against the muslims was enabled to take precedence

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Force Research Unit" which later changed its name to the Force Reconnaissance Unit. Senior officer from those days Brigadier Gordon Kerr it seems is now operating in Iraq as big cheese in SRS.

Source of the McGuinness story was, as I remember, ex Telegraph's Con Coughlin ie. MI6 up to their tricks again?

paul wright wrote:
It's well known that Martin McGuiness has always been an MI5 agent, and that the IRA was always infiltrated from the bottom to the top, whilst the Orange-orchestrated loyalist units were supplied with strategies and targets by the British Army's Force Reaction Unit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Research_Unit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Kerr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Reconnaissance_Regiment


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies for the innacuracies Tony.
The point remains that the Troubles were manipulated from Day 1 until the Omagh conspiracy
Hundreds or thousands of people died at the hidden hand of the UK state

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody Sunday was a key moment, 30th January 1972.

The Northern Ireland Office was created a few weeks later.

Longtime Bilderberg chairman Lord Carrington was secretary of State for Defence under PM Ted Heath at the time it all kicked off.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know someone who served that day. Nothing unusual was going to occur until they bought the paratroopers in, who are not trained to control crowds but to kill people.

The regular soldiers were surprised when the paras were deployed, as they were not needed, and had a reputation for being heavy handed, not the best asset to deploy in such an emotion charged scene.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

suraci wrote:
not the best asset to deploy in such an emotion charged scene.


Cui Bono???

Hey come to think of it he did make a lot of money out of it! Bono that is!!

But one thing sticks out for me... even while the British mainland was getting the * blown out of it... did anyone hear ID cards mentioned?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:


Source of the McGuinness story was, as I remember, ex Telegraph's Con Coughlin ie. MI6 up to their tricks again?

paul wright wrote:
It's well known that Martin McGuiness has always been an MI5 agent, and that the IRA was always infiltrated from the bottom to the top, whilst the Orange-orchestrated loyalist units were supplied with strategies and targets by the British Army's Force Reaction Unit.




The Guardian also went for McGuinness in 2001, when it published a story allegedly from a source codenamed Infliction. The front page headline stated that McGuinness had fired the first shot on Bloody Sunday. I gave a statement to human rights lawyer Gareth Peirce about this and ended up giving evidence at the Bloody Sunday Enquiry:

http://www.bloody-sunday-inquiry.org.uk/reports/kstatments/Archive/KM1 2.pdf

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sinn Fein backs Omagh police probe

Press Assoc. - Friday, August 15 06:04 pm
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Sinn Fein is backing calls for a cross-border independent inquiry into the police probe following the Omagh bomb.

Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness said there were serious concerns about the "debacle after debacle" which plagued security force inquiries into the conflict's bloodiest atrocity.

He was speaking after a service on the 10th anniversary of the 1998 Real IRA car bombing which killed 29 people and unborn twins.

Nobody has been convicted of causing the deaths.

"The calls that are made from the families here for the establishment of an independent tribunal, they obviously have lost all faith in the police investigation and we have seen debacle after debacle," he said.

"I think what we need to do is support the families in the demands that they are now making."

Families have voiced concern about alleged police failure to act quickly enough on intelligence warnings of the planned bombing.

There have also been a string of flaws in forensics handling of the investigation, highlighted in the trial of Sean Hoey, of South Armagh, who was acquitted of murder at Omagh.

The families have secured support from other political parties in their quest for justice.

Mr McGuinness added: "This was a very clear attempt by whoever was behind the bomb to destroy the peace process, destroy Sinn Fein's peace strategy. Ten years on they have failed miserably."

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panorama: Omagh - What the Police Never Knew will be broadcast on BBC One at 8.30pm on Monday 15 September.

GCHQ 'monitored Omagh bomb calls'

The UK's electronic intelligence agency GCHQ recorded mobile phone exchanges between the Omagh bombers on the day of the attack, the BBC has learned.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7606834.stm

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now covered on front page of bbc website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7606834.stm
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