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 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: Unlawful Downloaders Face Ban |
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First they came for the file sharing networks....
The government is desperate to regulate and control the internet. They will ban blank DVDs and CDRs next!
When Tony "Genocidal" Bliar left office; he didn't talk of how much he had done for the good of the country, no he spoke about the internet. He said the internet is now filled with the latest "conspiracy theory" times 5. He couldn't even muster a Thatcher-style "we leave this country in a much better state than when we found it", that says it all.
These are important words, these filthy scum don't say these kinds of things for a laugh. Mark them down in your mental notebook. The war on the internet is happening now. You have to read between the lines of this story. "Three Strikes and your out" what a total load of garbage.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20080212_downloaders.shtml
Crackdown on Pirates
Net users who illegally download face ban
12 Feb 08 -
Internet users in Britain who illegally download music may be banned from going online. That's according to leaked Government proposals published in The Times on Tuesday (12 Feb).
The reports, which also applies to films, outlines a 'three-strike' system where users would get an email warning if they are suspected of illegal downloading.
If they are caught a second time, they would be suspended from using the internet and then would face a termination of their contract if they were caught a third time.
Broadband companies who fail to enforce the ‘three-strikes’ regime would be prosecuted and suspected customers’ details could be made available to the courts.
The Government has yet to decide if information on offenders should be shared between Internet Service Providers (ISPs).
A draft copy of the Government proposals says: “We will move to legislate to require internet service providers to take action on illegal file-sharing.”
A consultation paper setting out the options is promised within months and a spokesman for the Internet Service Providers Association said they remained hopeful that a voluntary agreement could be reached: “Every right-thinking body knows that self-regulation is much the better option in these areas.”
Six million broadband users are estimated to download files illegally every year in the UK and music and film companies claim this is costing them billions in lost revenue on an annual basis.
Responding to the early draft proposals that have been leaking, a spokesman for the Department for Culture, Media And Sport told The Times: "Early drafts of our creative economy programme document were circulated to stakeholders for comment.
"The content and proposals for the strategy have been significantly developed since then and a comprehensive plan to bolster the UK's creative industries will be published shortly. We will not comment on the content of the leaked document."
The green paper is also expected to ask for a global arts conference, dubbed the World Creative Economy Forum which would be modelled on Davos.
This would involve the creation of a new college of digital media and the protection of live music venues such as the Astoria and the Hammersmith Apollo in London.
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Pity this thread is creeping down the list with no responses;
I am fascinated how this would function in principle as it says you will;
| Quote: | | ...... get an email warning if they are suspected of illegal downloading |
How exactly will this email be generated?Where will the email address appear from? Supposedly every customer will have an email address assigned to them by their provider and then informed by letter?
None of the sharing networks in my experience ask for any email address in the registration process. WinMX is still running perfectly and this connects directly to the individual peer since the RIAA attempted to close it down, so does this mean that service providers will analyse the data stream of every customer, sifting what is 'dodgy' and making a judgement seeing as it may be from a legitimate paid source?
Also, if I view my local wireless networks, there are currently 7 locally and 2 are unencrypted - I can connect to both and freely surf and download if I was so inclined. Kinda makes the whole monitoring process redundant.
Plus, if you download a YouTube video and then convert the accompanying audio to .mp3, will that be deemed illegal and can it be detected? I only use a sharing network to acquire 'Lost' the day after it has been broadcast in America as I don't have Sky One - will TV programmes fall under the same heading as 'illegal'?
I wonder what will emerge electronically to counter this?
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Sherlock Holmes
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: They want to ban used DVDs and CDs on E-Bay too I hear.... |
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| telecasterisation wrote: | ? I only use a sharing network to acquire 'Lost' the day after it has been broadcast in America as I don't have Sky One - will TV programmes fall under the same heading as 'illegal'?
I wonder what will emerge electronically to counter this? |
Yes that's definately piracy, definately, you don't even have Sky One. You are only allowed to record the program on your own equipment if you have the station in your house. I don't have a TV or TV license, so for me to watch BBC or any recorded television program including on YouTube etc could be argued in a court of law to be illegal.
There was a big bru-ha-ha over video recordings of programs, and in the late 80's a law was definately passed about how long you could keep something you had recorded from the TV. Well a great deal of good that law did, because videos are obsolete and so are cassettes. Now if you record something on a CD-R or DVDR you literally have to physically destroy the medium. So that law about video tapes etc. is as relevant today as the papal bull declaring how many Angels could dance on the head of a pin.
I have some technical knowledge but not enough. The thing is I also heard that "they" want to ban the sale of used CDs and DVDs on E-Bay and at the Great British car boot sale. This was suggested by RIAA and some "artists" have said similar, didn't "Prince" try to sue E-bay or something recently? This is an affront to the traditional British way of life and our need to buy Tat from all over the country and world!
An interesting article was published in response to this one; here it is:
http://torrentfreak.com/illegal-downloaders-will-not-face-uk-ban-08021 2/
5 Reasons Why Illegal Downloaders Will Not Face a UK Ban
Written by Matt on February 12, 2008
There’s been a lot of buzz about a story The London Times ran this morning under the headline “Internet users could be banned over illegal downloads,” which also appeared on the BBC website under the even more alarming headline “Illegal downloaders ‘face UK ban.” Time to get a couple of things straight.
The Times says “people who illegally download films and music will be cut off from the internet under new legislative proposals to be unveiled next week.” Actually, this story is complete balderdash. But the fact that this nutty proposal is getting anywhere at all illustrates how ignorant the powers that be are about downloading.
Let’s get a couple of things straight –
1. This proposal was a draft consultation green paper, defined as “a proposal without any commitment to action.” The government receives many of these on a daily basis. They are like junk mail at Number 10 Downing Street. The Prime Minister’s toilet paper is more important than most green papers, and both are usually filed in the same place.
2. This proposal is totally and completely unworkable in the real world. ISPs will not accept liability for the contents of packets (nor should they), and it would be impossible for them to open and check if every single download and upload was legal or not without the entire Internet grinding to halt. This isn’t in the best interests of the government, the ISPs or the voters. Banning customers and exposing yourself to billions in liability isn’t a good business strategy. Criminalizing six million citizens and inconveniencing the rest is not a vote winner.
3. It would be impossible to tell the difference between illegal downloading and legal activities such as downloading software patches, using torrents to share stuff legally, playing online video games, using VoIP, photo sharing, telecommuting, and many others. The resistance from the private sector would be as strong as it would from the general public.
4. The very idea of this goes against the ruling of the European Court, which says EU member states are not obligated to disclose personal information about suspected file sharers. It would also fly in the face of Article 10 of the European freedom of expression laws, which gives every European the “freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.”
5. WiFi piggybacking and encrypted packets make it impossible to tell who is downloading what in the first place. These techniques are only getting more sophisticated, while for the most part, the content industries collectively remain as dumb as a box of hair.
So in summary:
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This idea makes as much sense as trying to ban people from singing ‘Happy Birthday’ to each other over the telephone network, or burning down libraries to protect the publishing industry. But what’s frightening about such ideas is that they are still taken seriously all over the world by powerful decision makers in government and industry who have absolutely no clue about how the Internet actually works, or the damage such laws could do to democracy.
Before there is any more discussion about this, the music and film companies need to definitively prove illegal downloads cost them millions of dollars in lost revenues. CD sales are falling because nobody uses them anymore, and Hollywood is in rude health despite the pirates. There should be no more talk about changing laws and spending tax payer’s money on this ‘problem’ until someone proves there really is one.
Furthermore, if there is a problem, tax payers shouldn’t have to pony up in the first place. The content industries need to stop braying at governments to protect inefficient business models and look at the real solution that’s been staring them in the face for ten years. |
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Above all, things like the BBC should be asked one big question.
If people pay their TV license, does that not mean they already own and have the rights to use the programming output without having to pay anymore?
Why is it that £billions are generated by the license fee but when programs go from broadcast and onto dvd shelves in store they still expect the general public to pay full whack for say - episodes of a sitcom?
Even after the program has been repeated many times the price of say a Blackadder dvd would be the same as when it first came out.
It's all very well clamping down on so called "illegal downloads" but if I dont have the right to use programming that I've already paid for, why should I pay for it in the first place?
In the end I would hope that one good thing comes out of all this - a massive archive of fair-use material being available online. |
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