Are UFOs really from outer space?

[marky 54]

[Louise]

As you may know, i am in occasional contact with Nick Pope who as formally with the MOD and head of the british governments UFO project.

Speaking about humanitys first offical contact with ET's i first pointed out to him:

"When we officially make contact with them (I personally belive that this has already been done unofficially a long time ago but has been kept secret) the people assigned to make that contact will not only be representing the planet Earth but the whole of humanity as well.

I feel that it is vital that the right impression of mankind is projected to them."

He responded to me as follows:

"It's very difficult to make accurate predictions about 'first contact' because there are so many variables, but clearly we hope it will be a peaceful encounter. Key government priorities would include acquisition of knowledge and technology.

Best wishes,
Nick Pope"

I do genuinely feel that covert contact has been made with ET's certainly by the US goverment and it has been kept secret from the people.

I really would love to get more involved in this, the more i find out, the more intrested i become to learn the complete truth about this subject.

[Newspeak International]

[TonyGosling]

Could do with a bit of photographic evidence to spice this thread up a bit - haven't seen any here for a while.

USAF experimental Lenticular Reentry Vehicle (LRV)?

[marky 54]

[TonyGosling]

You could be right - the aliens been with us for millions of years and manipulating religions?
Mind you I don't necessarily trust this guy.

[marky 54]

[karlos]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/02/04/scim ars104.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox



Acid House smiley face found on Mars!

[marky 54]

[Louise]

I found somebody on youtube who posts lots of videos on the subject of UFO's.

Just in case anybody is intrested his youtube name is:

aceBryan7ox

I find his videos quite intresting.

[marky 54]

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[utopiated]

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[utopiated]

The use of "you" in my post wasn't really meant to be a personal you you - but a general you as "we". Us generally.

It's such BS to say that in addition to setting up a decent, technical video-camcording session - you then lose all cred for "using intuition".

It's this warped idea that 'proper' science and intuition should never meet that has got us all into the f*cked state we're currently in.

I'll wager you one of your guitars for my EMU Morpheus module that those images are NOT faked.

What do you think? Put your guitar where your mouth is... [painful!]
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Les Paul copies are the only guitar to bother collecting. I used to love my Les Paul copy. Les himself said it was better than one of his hand made originals.

Anyway - thankfully now in the 21st century you can produce the sound of a whole orchestra on acid using something half the size of a guitar. I sold my guitar and bought a Novation ♪ Bass Station ♪. Cool as f*ck those things.

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[utopiated]

Hey - I used to meet Toni Iomi and his missus regularly in Northfield, south Brum.

You knew in advance he was coming due to the HUGE waft of patchoooli oil.

Mmmmmmmmmmm.... patchouli -

...definately sexually imprinted with that smell and gothic looking birds. Scent is neurally one of the most evocative systems for imprinting and memory.

Going off topic. I'll shut it.

[telecasterisation]

[marky 54]

UFO's - A Bizarre Subject
When it comes to the subject of UFO's why do we treat it as if it is a "religious" subject?

Do you believe in UFO’s?
Are we alone?
Who are they?
Why are they here?
Where are they from?

How do we respond to questions like these? Have you ever met someone first-hand that had an experience with a UFO or a sighting? I have. I met the family in 1995. For this reason I can say that it only takes one white crow to prove that all crows aren’t black. Even if every single account I have seen on TV or read about turned out to be a hoax, I know one personally that was not. They spent at least two hours in their encounter.

Empiricism

Every documentary, story, movie, encounter concerning UFO’s has a basic common denominator – they are based on EMPIRICISM - The five senses.

In a world of mathematics, we find that in three angles of a triangle, the angles total 180 degrees. Every single triangle in the world totals 180 degrees. Since the beginning of time, every triangle that ever existed in the world totaled 180 degrees. It has never been less or more – always the same.

However, I do a presentation before a live audience, and draw a triangle consisting of three straight lines, having three angles, and they total 230 degrees. Individuals can even bring their own protractor and measure them. I have begun a new cult now with a following of over 100 million (just kidding). So now I defy what we are accustomed to seeing in our world. If no one understood it, I would probably be branded as a heretic.

What is my point? We live in a world where everything we observe, we define with our five senses: See, Hear, Taste, Touch and Smell. In hours and hours of stories, documentaries, movies about UFO’s I always find the same thing: The sightings, the eyewitness accounts, the information - is always based on our five senses.

When we see a magician perform some illusion, he demonstrates something before our eyes that defies explanation. But that is because he seems to override or suspend our laws of physics. Even today, many of these illusionists simply perform a "trick", but are branded as heresy and witchcraft simply because the illusion is not explained. We often shy away from them because their "tricks" don’t "compute" with our natural reasoning. Regardless of what people’s philosophy of life is, we all live by Empiricism.

My father was an atheist all his life. His whole world was based on his five senses. But on his deathbed, he laid there, unable to talk. Just as he was about to expire, he held his hands in front of him with a look of horror on his face – as if something extraordinary was happening, that he was witnessing parts of his body passing into a spirit realm – and for the first time he realized there was a world beyond the five senses.
However, the strange thing about this is that when you talk about another "dimension" or "realm" outside this world of "empiricism", you are accused of getting "religious". It is simply a world beyond our own, but this "spiritual" realm is synonymous with "religious" for some reason – and many don’t want to talk about it because there are so many religious beliefs that are often contradictory.

At one time, people were burned at the stake for finding facts that go against the "norm". When Copernicus discovered that the Sun was in the center of our Solar System, it rocked the world. If I was to live in the 16th century, and drew a triangle that totaled 230 degrees, I would be accused of challenging Church dogma and would be ostracized, exorcized and vaporized.

When something comes along that travels 15,000 mph, makes right angle turns that supersede our laws of inertia, momentum and gravity, and have a propulsion system we don’t understand, we immediately:
1-Go into denial and refuse to believe that it exists, and live in a plastic bubble.
2-Pigeonhole it because it doesn’t "fit" our logic, and burn the one who witnessed it at some stake for "religious heresy".
Or:
3-Challenge it, study it, analyze it and draw some VERY interesting conclusions.
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/3-8-2006-90724.asp

[marky 54]

so what do people propose we do?

1. ignore it and ridicule it?

2. section people under the mental health act?

3. study it, discuss it, and investigate it?

i would say number one is the most commonly praticed, amongst the vast majority of people in certain fields, science/media etc etc. what about the public?

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Canadian UFO Poll: 3 million Canadians have seen UFOs
Ufology Research of Manitoba, 15 October 1997
A national survey by an independent research consortium has found that 9.6% of all Canadians believe they have seen UFOs. "This translates into nearly 3 million people who say they are UFO witenesses," notes Chris Rutkowski, project coordinator. R

Condon Report: Public Attitudes Toward UFO Phenomena
Aldora Lee, The Condon Report, Sec 3, Ch 7
Reported in this chapter are the findings of four opinion surveys conducted during the spring of 1968. The major surveys were of 2050 adults and 451 teen-agers, representing a cross-section of the U. S. population. The other two surveys concerned college students and UFO sighters. In this report, opinions regarding the proportion of sighters in the United States, opinions regarding the reporting of UFOs, and attitudes toward UFOs and related phenomena are considered.

NIDS Extraterrestrial Intelligence Online Survey Results
NIDS (National Institute for Discovery Science)


Poll Reveals UFO Belief
Sci Fi Wire (Sci Fi Channel), 17-October-02
A new national poll found that 72 percent of Americans believe the government is not telling the public everything it knows about UFO activity, and 68 percent think the government knows more about extraterrestrial life than it is letting on, the SCI FI Channel reported. R

Poll: U.S. hiding knowledge of aliens
CNN, June 15, 1997
Nearly 50 years since an alleged UFO was sighted at Roswell, New Mexico, a CNN/Time poll shows that 80 percent of Americans think the government is hiding knowledge of the existence of extraterrestrial life forms. R

Poll: U.S. hiding knowledge of aliens (CNN, 1997)
CNN, June 15, 1997
Nearly 50 years since an alleged UFO was sighted at Roswell, New Mexico, a new CNN/Time poll released Sunday shows that 80 percent of Americans think the government is hiding knowledge of the existence of extraterrestrial life forms. R

Public Opinion Surveys and Unidentified Flying Objects: 50+ years of Sampling Public Opinions (PDF)
John F. Schuessler, International Director, MUFON (Mutual UFO Network)
Public opinion surveys fill an important need in business, politics, and advertising. For more than 50 years surveys of public opinions about Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO) have been conducted to satisfy a variety of customers. While the numbers have fluctuated from time to time, the general results of these surveys showed the public to be very aware of UFO sightings, interested in what may be causing them, and concerned that the government was not doing enough to resolve the mystery. The purpose of this paper is to summarize a large number of surveys of public opinions about UFOs, starting in 1947 and continuing to the present.

Roper Poll Survey 1999 - Press Release
NIDS (National Institute for Discovery Science)
A nationwide survey by the Roper Organization has uncovered the following: when asked what they thought UFOs were, 25% thought they were alien spaceships, 12% thought they were secret government programs, 9% said hallucinations, 19% said UFOs are normal events that are misinterpreted by witnesses, and 7% said travelers from other dimensions. R

Roper Poll Survey 1999 - Survey Data and Methodology
NIDS


Roper Poll Survey on "The Day After Contact"
NIDS (National Institute of Discovery Science)
How would humans react if E.T. landed? That is the question explored by the 1999 Roper Poll Survey, on behalf of the National Institute of Discovery Science.

Roper Poll Survey on UFOs and Extraterrestrials 1999 (PDF)
NIDS (National Institute for Discovery Science)
The 1999 Roper Poll on human reaction to contact with extraterrestrial civilizations.

Sci Fi Channel / Roper Poll 2002: UFOs & Extraterrestrial Life
Sci Fi Channel
The 2002 Roper Poll, commissioned by the Sci Fi Channel, on UFOs and Extraterrestrial Life, found that 72 percent of Americans believe the government is not telling the public everything it knows about UFO activity, and 68 percent think the government knows more about extraterrestrial life than it is letting on, the SCI FI Channel reported. This page has the results and summary of the survey.

Sci Fi Channel / Roper UFOs Poll 2002: Majority Already Believe in the Extraterrestrial
Sci Fi Channel / Roper Poll 2002
More than half (56 percent) of the American public think that UFOs are something real and not just in people's imagination. Nearly as many (48 percent) believe that UFOs have visited earth in some form.

Sci Fi Channel / Roper UFOs Poll 2002: Many Wonder What Government Really Knows About Other Intelligent Life
Sci Fi Channel / Roper Poll 2002
More than two-thirds of Americans say that the government is not telling the public everything it knows about UFO activity (72 percent) or extraterrestrial life (68 percent).

Sci Fi Channel / Roper UFOs Poll 2002: Most Americans Psychologically Prepared for Proof of Extraterrestrial Life
Sci Fi Channel / Roper 2002 Poll
Three in Four (74 percent) Claim They Are At Least Somewhat Psychologically Prepared For an Official Government Announcement Regarding the Discovery of Intelligent Extraterrestrial Life.

Sci Fi Channel / Roper UFOs Poll 2002: UFO Experiences Are Not Foreign to Americans
Sci Fi Channel / Roper Poll 2002
One in seven Americans say they or someone they know has had an experience involving a UFO.

Sci Fi Channel / Roper UFOs Poll 2002: Highlights
Sci Fi Channel
Overview and highlights from the recent poll, "UFOs and Extraterrestrial Life". R

Summaries of Some Recent Opinion Polls on UFOs
Alberta UFO Study Group
In studying the UFO phenomenon I am always stuck by the results of the most recent surveys. Recall the argument that there would be wide spread panic if the government announced that there was an extraterrestrial presence visiting earth. Well every polling result in the last 10 years simply doesn’t support that argument. R

The Attitudes of Canadians Toward the Existence of Extra-Terrestrial Life and UFOs
Geoff Dittman
Survey of several major opinion polls taken of Canadian's beliefs on UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Over the years, a consistently large portion of the Canadian population has expressed a belief in UFOs and aliens. I did manage to locate four professional polls and an informal survey conducted by ufologists. The first poll goes back to 1974, the last to 1997.

UFOs: Seeking the Truth Through Savvy Marketing
Leonard David, Space.com, Oct. 25, 2002
Call it a conspiracy (or savvy marketing), but a new poll released this week says a majority of Americans think the truth about unidentified flying objects (UFOs) is out there, yet the government is concealing it from them. R

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/publicopinionpolls.htm

i have always maintained i have no idea if these sightings are manmade or other. but it seems to me those who believe they are nothing or not alien craft are in the minority . ok this is just canada and the u.s., but i'd bet its a simular story all over the world.

just putting things in prespective.

[Louise]

I have emailed Nick Pope just recently and asked him for the latest update on anything UFO related.

His response was:

Louise,

There have been several interesting new UFO sightings recently (just type "UFO" into Google News and sort by date) and there's more mainstream media coverage in the pipeline, much of which will kick-in when MoD starts the process of releasing its archive of UFO files, probably in the spring.

Best wishes,
Nick Pope

In my email to him, i said that the time for certain people that keep this matter away from the general pubic and keep lying about it and covering it up, is coming to an end and the time for honesty and openness about UFO's should begin.

Nick Pope fully supports openness about this subject as he has told me in a previous email.

I would just like to add that in all the emails that has criss crossed between us, he has ALWAYS taken my emails very seriously, and we haven't just talked about UFO's, we have discussed a few different subjects.

I think what he and the others did at the meeting held on 12th November 2007 in Washington DC was brilliant to say the least.

Nick's a good man.

[utopiated]

[Gridkeeper]

There is much debate around the globe regarding the JLW space footage. Many people believe it's fake as also many people do not. Why have the media not touched this? Because whatever those objects are they are real. I don't claim to know what they are but I have seen them myself so I know there's something up there.Here are some of the latest videos which include close images of the moon as well as showing the telescope observing stars which have objects seemingly cloaked in front of them . The last video, which I did not make, relates to the earlier posts regarding the ancient ufo paintings.

Even More Strange Moon Business part deux - Disclosure

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Moon In High Res - see http://abovespaceandtime.blip.tv

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Object filmed in day near the moon - colour filter/analysis

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Gridkeeper films John Lenard Walson filming the moon feb2008

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UFO ZOOM - better quality film at http://blip.tv/file/694900

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Cam Test - Gridkeeper filming back of telescope March 2008

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Space Craft Object UFO Jan 21 2008 nice resolution

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Space Object UFO Jan 2008 - WTF On Earth is Capable of This?

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New Space UFO Objects January 2008 / look at end

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The Eastern "Star"

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Real Transformers / Large Space UFO Changing Shape

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Ancient UFO Paintings


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[rodin]

Bill Cooper finally sussed out it was a hoax. Another 'enemy' to distract us with

[marky 54]

[Andrew Johnson]

[utopiated]

[Gridkeeper]

Yes S is just an old name he used a few years ago.

Look what's on the moon:

Nasa Orbs and What is this on the Moon?

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Space Machine Compilation film Jan - April 2008

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Moon surface filmed during the daytime on April 10th 2008

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[marky 54]

Hawkings opinion on the question 'are we alone'.

WASHINGTON - Famed astrophysicist Stephen Hawking has been thinking a lot about the cosmic question, "Are we alone?" The answer is probably not, he says.

If there is life elsewhere in the universe, Hawking asks why haven't we stumbled onto some alien broadcasts in space, maybe something like "alien quiz shows?"

Hawking's comments were part of a lecture at George Washington University on Monday in honor of NASA's 50th anniversary. He theorized that there are possible answers to whether there is extraterrestrial life.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24245803

he makes a few intresting points. however im not entirely sure i agree with everything he says.

for example:

[TonyGosling]

Carlos is going to hate me for this!
Why do I feel a sense of relief that aliens are EVEN dumber than humans?!

Aliens MUST exist, says Stephen Hawking... but they will be even dumber than us
The universe may well be teeming with life but the chances of alien intelligence developing are extremely low, astrophysicist Stephen Hawking believes.
The British cosmologist said the universe was so vast that man was almost certainly not alone.
But there has to be a reason why we have not detected traces of alien civilisations in other star systems, he added.
Speaking through a speech synthesiser at a university in Washington DC in a lecture to mark the 50th anniversary of space agency Nasa, Professor Hawking said yesterday there were several possible views on whether extraterrestrial life exists.............
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_ article_id=561252