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 Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: Six Tortured Guantánamo Detainees Face 9/11 Trial |
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| Quote: | The fix is in, tortured confessions, secret evidence, denial of due process of law, and a host of other blatant abuses, nothing resembling any kind of justice or a fair trial.
Just in time for election, just in time to reinforce the official mythology.
Khalid "I shot JFK, JR, the Sheriff and the Deputy, Mea culpa, Mea culpa, Mea culpa, Mea culpa!!! " Muhammed, is joined by by a host of others; many of whom might well be considered couple of pence short of a pound. This could be the biggest show trial since those other American classics such as OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson, Paris Hilton etc. |
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020908Z.shtml
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/us/09gitmo.html?hp
6 GuantánamoDetainees Are Said to Face Trial Over 9/11
By William Glaberson
The New York Times
Saturday 09 February 2008
Military prosecutors are in the final phases of preparing the first sweeping case against suspected conspirators in the plot that led to the deaths of nearly 3,000 Americans on Sept. 11, 2001, and drew the United States into war, people who have been briefed on the case said.
The charges, to be filed in the military commission system at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, would involve as many as six detainees held at the detention camp, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the former senior aide to Osama bin Laden, who has said he was the principal planner of the plot.
The case could begin to fulfill a longtime goal of the Bush administration: establishing culpability for the terrorist attacks of 2001. It could also help the administration make its case that some detainees at Guantánamo, where 275 men remain, would pose a threat if they are not held at Guantánamo or elsewhere. Officials have long said that a half-dozen men held at Guantánamo played essential roles in the plot directed by Mr. Mohammed, from would-be hijackers to financiers.
But the case would also bring new scrutiny to the military commission system, which has a troubled history and has been criticized as a system designed to win convictions but that does not provide the legal protections of American civilian courts.
War-crimes charges against the men would almost certainly place the prosecutors in a battle over the treatment of inmates because at least two detainees tied to the 2001 terror attacks were subject to aggressive interrogation techniques that critics say amounted to torture.
One official who has been briefed on the case said the military prosecutors were considering seeking the death penalty for Mr. Mohammed, although no final decision appears to have been made. The official added that the military prosecutors had decided to focus on the Sept. 11 attacks in part as an effort to try to establish credibility for the military commission system before a new administration takes the White House next January.
“The thinking was 9/11 is the heart and soul of the whole thing. The thinking was: go for that,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because no one in the government was authorized to speak about the case. Even if the charges are released soon, it would be many months before a trial could be held, lawyers said.
A Pentagon spokesman, Bryan Whitman, declined to comment specifically. But he added that the government was preparing a case against “individuals who have been involved in some of the most grievous acts of violence and terror against the United States and our allies.”
“The prosecution team is close to moving forward on referring charges on a number of individuals,” Mr. Whitman said.
Ever since President Bush announced in 2006 that he had transferred 14 “high value” detainees to Guantánamo from a secret C.I.A. detention program, it has been expected that the Pentagon would eventually lodge charges involving several of the numerous terror plots to which officials say several of those men were tied.
Officials have said detainees now held at Guantánamo are responsible for attacks that killed thousands of people, including the United States Embassy bombings in East Africa in 1998, the attack on the destroyer Cole in 2000, and the Bali nightclub bombing in 2002.
But it has always been clear that a case involving the Sept. 11 plot would be the centerpiece of the military commissions system and its most stringent test. After the Supreme Court struck down the Bush administration’s first system for military commission trials in 2006, Congress enacted a new law.
Among other things, the Military Commissions Act provides that detainees charged with war crimes are entitled to military lawyers to defend them, a presumption of innocence and a right of appeal. But detainees’ lawyers and other critics have said that many flaws remain, including the fact that the system is under Pentagon control and even the judges are military officers.
Told of the possible charges, Carie Lemack, whose mother was killed on American Airlines Flight 11, said such a trial would be a grueling process for the families. But, Ms. Lemack said, “It is important that justice be brought to those who killed my mother and nearly 3,000 others.”
It was not clear Friday whether final decisions had been made about precise charges and which detainees are to be included.
But it is known that the prosecutors have considered charges of murder, conspiracy and providing material support for terrorism because of the Sept. 11 deaths. It is also known that a joint team of military and Department of Justice lawyers working on the case have considered charging six of the best-known Guantánamo detainees.
Lawyers have said that two of those are men whose treatment in American hands would inevitably be a focus of defense lawyers in their cases.
One of them, Mr. Mohammed, known as KSM, was subject to the simulated-drowning technique known as waterboarding while in secret C.I.A. custody, Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, confirmed this week.
The American-educated Mr. Mohammed was described by the Sept. 11 commission as the “self-cast star, the superterrorist,” with plans for destruction on a vast scale. At a Pentagon hearing last year, he claimed responsibility for more than 30 terrorist attacks and plots.
He was explicit about his role in the 2001 attacks. “I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z,” he said.
The other detainee whose treatment could become a focus of any trial is Mohammed al-Qahtani, who has been held at Guantánamo since 2002. Pentagon officials have said he may have been the so-called “20th hijacker.” A month before the attacks, he flew from Dubai to Orlando, Fla., but was denied entry into the United States by an immigration official.
Pentagon investigators concluded in 2005 that he had been subject to abusive treatment at Guantánamo, including sleep deprivation, being forced to wear a bra and being led around on a leash.
Gitanjali Gutierrez, one of Mr. al-Qahtani’s lawyers at the Center for Constitutional Rights, said she had no information about whether he would be charged. “But if he is,” Ms. Gutierrez said, “I can assure you that his well-documented torture and the controversy over secret trials will be the focus.”
Zacarias Moussaoui, who at one point was identified by prosecutors as a potential “20th hijacker” pleaded guilty to conspiracy in 2005, and is serving a life term. He is the only person who has been tried in a United States court for involvement in the Sept. 11 plot.
Defense lawyers are also expected to use any commission cases to challenge the prosecutors over the C.I.A.’s destruction of tapes of interrogations of two detainees, which has been acknowledged by the agency.
Among the other four potential defendants are Guantánamo detainees who intelligence officials have said played critical support roles for the hijackers.
Officials say Ramzi bin al-Shibh, who had been a roommate of the lead hijacker Mohamed Atta in Hamburg, Germany, was the main intermediary between the hijackers and Al Qaeda leaders in the months before Sept. 11.
The Pentagon has described another detainee, Ammar al-Baluchi, a nephew of Mr. Mohammed, as “a key lieutenant for KSM during the operation on 11 September” who wired $114,500 to the hijackers.
Mr. al-Baluchi’s assistant was Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi, according to various accounts. The September 11 commission said that Mr. al-Hawsawi had been assigned by Mr. Mohammed to help coordinate hijackers’ travel and was so centrally involved that he was their contact for unused money to be returned in the days before the attacks.
Finally, the detainee known as Khallad, who is missing part of his right leg as a result of what officials say is a long jihadist history, is believed to have had long ties to Mr. bin Laden. Officials have said Khallad helped select and train some of the hijackers and was originally slated to have been one of them himself. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: U.S. nears charging 6 in Sept. 11 case |
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/09/america/gitmo.php
U.S. nears charging 6 in Sept. 11 case
By William Glaberson Published: February 9, 2008
Military prosecutors are in the final phases of preparing the first sweeping case against suspected conspirators in the plot that led to the deaths of nearly 3,000 Americans on Sept. 11, 2001, people who have been briefed on the case said.
The charges, to be filed in the military commission system at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, would involve as many as six prisoners, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the former senior aide to Osama bin Laden who has said he was the principal planner of the plot.
The case could begin to fulfill a longtime goal of the Bush administration: establishing culpability for the terrorist attacks of 2001. It could also help the administration make its case that some detainees at Guantánamo, where 275 men remain, would pose a threat if they are not held at Guantánamo or elsewhere.
Officials have long said that a half-dozen people held at Guantánamo played essential roles in the plot directed by Mohammed, from would-be hijackers to financiers.
But the case would also bring new scrutiny to the military commission system, which has a troubled history and has been criticized as a system designed to win convictions but that does not provide proper legal protections.
War-crimes charges against the men would almost certainly place the prosecutors in a battle over the treatment of inmates. Lawyers have said that two of those are men whose treatment in U.S. hands would inevitably be a focus of defense lawyers in their cases.
Mohammed was subject to the simulated-drowning technique known as waterboarding while in secret CIA custody, General Michael Hayden, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, confirmed in the past week.
The other detainee whose treatment could become a focus of any trial is Mohammed al-Qahtani, who has been held at Guantánamo since 2002. Pentagon officials have said he may have been the so-called "20th hijacker." A month before the attacks, he flew from Dubai to Orlando, Florida, but was denied entry into the United States by an immigration official. Pentagon investigators concluded in 2005 that he had been subject to abusive treatment at Guantánamo, including sleep deprivation, being forced to wear a bra and being led around on a leash.
Gitanjali Gutierrez, one of Qahtani's lawyers at the Center for Constitutional Rights, said she had no information about whether he would be charged. "But if he is," Gutierrez said, "I can assure you that his well-documented torture and the controversy over secret trials will be the focus."
One official who has been briefed on the case said the military prosecutors were considering seeking the death penalty for Mohammed, although no decision appears to have been made. The official added that the military prosecutors had decided to focus on the Sept. 11 attacks in part as an effort to try to establish credibility for the military commission system before a new administration takes the White House next January.
"The thinking was 9/11 is the heart and soul of the whole thing; the thinking was: Go for that," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because no one in the government was authorized to speak about the case.
A Pentagon spokesman, Bryan Whitman, declined to comment specifically. But he added that the government was preparing a case against "individuals who have been involved in some of the most grievous acts of violence and terror against the United States and our allies."
Ever since President George W. Bush announced in 2006 that he had transferred 14 "high value" detainees to Guantánamo from a secret CIA detention program, it has been expected that the Pentagon would eventually lodge charges involving several of the numerous terror plots to which officials say several of those men were tied.
Officials have said detainees now held at Guantánamo are responsible for attacks that killed thousands of people, including the East African U.S. embassy bombings in 1998, the attack on the destroyer Cole in 2000 and the Bali nightclub bombings in 2002.
But it has always been clear that a case involving the Sept. 11 plot would be the centerpiece of the military commissions system and its most stringent test. After the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the Bush administration's first system for military commission trials in 2006, Congress enacted a new law.
Among other things, the Military Commissions Act provides that detainees charged with war crimes are entitled to military lawyers to defend them, a presumption of innocence and a right of appeal. But detainees' lawyers and other critics have said that many flaws remain, including the fact that the system is under Pentagon control and the judges are military officers.
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Told of the possible charges, Carie Lemack, whose mother was killed on American Airlines Flight 11 on Sept. 11, said such a trial would be a grueling process for the families. But, Lemack said, "It is important that justice be brought to those who killed my mother and nearly 3,000 others."
It is known that the prosecutors have considered charges of murder, conspiracy and providing material support for terrorism because of the Sept. 11 deaths. Even if the charges are released soon, it would be many months before a trial could be held, lawyers said.
It is also known that a joint team of military and Department of Justice lawyers working on the case have considered charging six of the best-known Guantánamo detainees.
Mohammed was described by the Sept. 11 commission as the "self-cast star, the superterrorist," with plans for destruction on a vast scale. At a Pentagon hearing last year, he claimed responsibility for more than 30 terrorist attacks and plots.
He was explicit about his role in the 2001 attacks. "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z," he said.
Zacarias Moussaoui, who at one point was identified by prosecutors as a potential "20th hijacker," pleaded guilty to conspiracy in 2005 and is serving a life term. He is the only person who has been tried in a U.S. court for involvement in the Sept. 11 plot.
Defense lawyers are also expected to use any commission cases to challenge the prosecutors over the CIA's destruction of tapes of interrogations of two detainees, which has been acknowledged by the agency.
Among the other four potential defendants are Guantánamo detainees who intelligence officials have said played critical support roles for the hijackers.
Officials say that Ramzi bin al-Shibh, who had been a roommate of the lead hijacker, Mohamed Atta, in Hamburg, was the primary intermediary between the hijackers and Al Qaeda's leadership in the months before Sept. 11.
The Pentagon has described another detainee, Ammar al-Baluchi, a nephew of Mohammed, as "a key lieutenant" of Mohammed's who wired $114,500 to the hijackers.
Baluchi's assistant was Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi, according to various accounts. The Sept. 11 commission said that Hawsawi had been assigned by Mohammed to help coordinate the hijackers' travel and was so centrally involved that he was their contact for unused money to be returned in the days before the attacks.
Finally, the detainee known as Khallad, who is missing part of his right leg as a result of what officials say is a long jihadist history, is believed to have had long ties to Osama bin Laden. Officials have said Khallad helped select and train some of the hijackers and was originally slated to have been one of them himself.
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The above needs exposing for what it is. Propaganda lies.
As I remember bin Laden did not claim responsibility for 911 nor was he wanted on the FBI website for that crime.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
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I doubt if this court case will be covered live by the media circus like the Jackson or Simpson carnival. Too many details might come out not to the spooks liking. A secret military court will be easier to control, with carefully released bulletins on it's progress for their pet journalists to regurgitate for the cattle.
There's no court big enough to hold the real perps, the real middle east pariah state run by and for terrorists. |
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Obviously, any sworn confession statements were obtained through torture, but one would have to ask why would it take six years for the alleged to confess to a crime that would make them all martyrs in the eyes of their God.
Why would they need to be tortured at all? |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed died in 2002 |
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When reading reports about Khalid Sheik Mohammed's supposed recent confession and responsibility for 9/11, keep in mind that there have been credible reports that he was in fact killed in Pakistan in September 2002, during an hours-long shootout with Pakistani security forces. Reportedly, his wife and child later identified his dead body. In other words, it appears that the U.S. government has just got some unfortunate guy in custody, who they have tortured into falsely confessing that he is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and that he was responsible for 9/11.
I covered the details about Mohammed's death in my blog entry, "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Dead Man Confesses to Being 9/11 Mastermind":
http://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2007/03/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-dead- man.html
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I saw some military meathead on the tv justifying this BS. He struggled with Paxman's excellent blunt question as to whether evidence gained from torture would be admissible.
In a country that released OJ Simpson because he couldn't get a glove on, and Michael Jackson because he's insanely wealthy, is it any surprise that we are at this stage. The legal process for their trial has been specially adapted for this case, which sane people everywhere regard as being a dangerous precedent to set. Moving goalposts make it a hard game to play, let alone know the rules.
America began it's slide in to true fascism on 911, and takes another major lurch with this trial. Most Americans and probably public everywhere do not realise what is stirring here amongst us all, and they won't realise it until they are stopped one day by heavily armed soldiers or police and find they don't have the rights to silence etc that they thought they had.
At this stage I think we're just a few short years from prosecution by suspicion alone, and execution of suspects covered live on Murdoch's Sky for the braying masses. |
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It does say something about this board that one of the biggest developments yet in the 9/11 story, manages only 10 posts as a topic.
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Well, nice to see Paul has remained just as pointless in my absence... 
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| PaulStott wrote: | | It does say something about this board that one of the biggest developments yet in the 9/11 story, manages only 10 posts as a topic. |
So what are people here supposed to say about this?
.....that we're shocked?
.....surprised?
.....that the powers controlling 'War on Terror' propaganda are manipulative and evil?
....blimey! That's a new one.
Even mainstream politicians recognise that these trials will be ridiculously inappropriate and unfair. And, somewhat surprisingly, many in the media and parliament have stepped forward to say so.
....so what should we on this board be saying that would be new or even helpful. The situation speaks for itself to all but the brain-dead. |
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