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WyldeChylde
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Having recently read an article in the Daily Mail about a schools numbering all 14 year old students and putting them on a database for the rest of their lives, I got thinking.
What is the difference between this concept, and a National Insurance number?
Surely all the information we give when completing a census or National Insurance questionnaire goes onto a database of some sort?? |
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This is being naive. sorry but if you do your research, the implications are that it will not be for the safety of your child as the propoganda would have you believe.
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I realise that, but I was asked a question literally minutes before posting this topic asking whether it really is that bad. I know it's bad, but I've always found it hard to put into words why I think it's bad.
I have done minimal research into it (which will probably explain my point above), I thought posting on here might be a good start to get some basic info...
Apologies if I seem lazy!! |
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I've asked the same question to members of NO2ID whenever they refuse to engage in the cashless society issues like RFID and Verichip technology.
Whenever I ask them they always say they are "single issue" and will not engage in "conspiracy theories" but then expect me to believe in their own version of the conspiracy of the database state.
They usually wont engage in any of the 9/11 counter-evidence so I ask them why they are against ID cards when it might help in the War on Terror.
"They just want to put us on a big database" they always say conspiratorially.
In the end there is no difference between ID cards and N.I. cards. Both are cards with names and numbers and can be used to ID you by the powers that be.
However, ID cards , the War on Terror, the encroaching Police State and the Iraq war all lead back to the same place.
9/11. |
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Biometric ID cards will be way more intrusive than a single NI number & linked along with a host of other stuff ,such as your medical history etc to a national database,all for the governments perusal,hiring out & keeping safe 
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| Ravenmoon wrote: | | Biometric ID cards will be way more intrusive than a single NI number & linked along with a host of other stuff ,such as your medical history etc to a national database,all for the governments perusal,hiring out & keeping safe |
You are assuming that you're not already on a database and this database doesn't already exist.
Do you seriously believe that the secret services, Govt agencies, can't peruse through your personal records already?
I don't think it's beyond ridiculous to say that if you gave someone in MI5 a National Insurance number they'd be able to input that number into a computer and find your records within seconds. |
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I'm sure i'm on every nonsense list there is,the point is that they want everyones details on a database & to let everyone know they have them no matter who or how law abiding they are,leading eventually to 24/7 surveillance,conditioning is the keyword .
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Lee
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Exactly.
24/7 surveillance means more than being occasionally stopped and being asked for your papers or being photographed by cctv everywhere you go. It's about tracking every transaction, tracking and recording every single move.
The technology to do this is being introduced.
Are ID cards just the beginning?
Someone needs to ask the NO2ID'ers these questions...
If ID cards and a database system could help against terrorism, why be in opposition?
If they can't help against terrorism then will the Government bring in measures that will, beyond the introduction of ID cards. |
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Wylde Child wrote
| Quote: | | I know it's bad, but I've always found it hard to put into words why I think it's bad. |
Well I hope you are still able to trust your basic instincts, and not be shy of objecting to it (and resisting it) on that basis alone. Don't let them bamboozle you.
I would say the first and most important thing is to disabuse yourself of any comforting notion that "they" serve "us". They don't. We are "the domestic enemy". It's a war of terror, waged by secret ruling elites, via puppet governments, against the masses, us.
The national ID scheme is a publicly acknowledged consolidation of the existing systems, increasing the already massive amount of information that "they" hold on "us". The purpose is to monitor us and consolidate their control of us, and every aspect of our lives. Of course they lie, and sell it on it's supposed benefits, mainly to "protect" us from the "ever growing threat of terrorism", which of course they perpetrate anyway. Problem, reaction, solution.
Look into it further, and it gets worse. It is part of the drive to centralise our entire financial life on a single card. Again, the purpose is monitoring and control. They don't want you to be able to buy or sell anything, or travel anywhere, without them knowing about it, and soon, approve it. They want to get rid of cash. This is a work in progress. Naturally, they lie and sell it on "convenience". At the end of this stage, they practically hold your life in their hands.
Look further, and it gets truly nightmarish. They are floating the idea, and trying to get people accustomed to the idea, of implants, that is they want to chip you like a dog, or like cattle. Logically, your chip replaces the card. They are currently selling that as "trendy and modern" (Spanish nightclub, Silicon Valley access control), to "protect our children" (that scumbag Kevin Warwick), to "protect our children, again" (proposed chipping of paedophiles), to "care for the elderly and confused" etc.
If "they" get their way, we will see deranged madmen conspiracy theorists and truth seekers running around the streets, ranting, terrified.... they really will be mad, realising their chip has been "turned off", and they will surely die or be disappeared within days.
I suggest you read "I want the earth plus 5%", easily findable (for now) on the net. I also suggest you read the relevant passages in The Book of Revelations, and ask yourself why you know the bit about "the number of the beast", all that Omen stuff, but not the bit about "...no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK...".
I'm not "religious", by the way, I'm not pushing the bible on you.
Actually, I think that's the 2nd most important thing you should do... ask yourself why you know about the horror movies and the jokes about 666, why they want you to think it's a mark ON the beast, but not the bit that really does seem to be coming true, and will if we allow it.
In a nutshell:
ID cards > "Uni"card > chipping like cattle > absolute elite control of humanity.
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WyldeChylde
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| simplesimon wrote: | Wylde Child wrote
| Quote: | | I know it's bad, but I've always found it hard to put into words why I think it's bad. |
Well I hope you are still able to trust your basic instincts, and not be shy of objecting to it (and resisting it) on that basis alone. Don't let them bamboozle you.
I would say the first and most important thing is to disabuse yourself of any comforting notion that "they" serve "us". They don't. We are "the domestic enemy". It's a war of terror, waged by secret ruling elites, via puppet governments, against the masses, us.
The national ID scheme is a publicly acknowledged consolidation of the existing systems, increasing the already massive amount of information that "they" hold on "us". The purpose is to monitor us and consolidate their control of us, and every aspect of our lives. Of course they lie, and sell it on it's supposed benefits, mainly to "protect" us from the "ever growing threat of terrorism", which of course they perpetrate anyway. Problem, reaction, solution.
Look into it further, and it gets worse. It is part of the drive to centralise our entire financial life on a single card. Again, the purpose is monitoring and control. They don't want you to be able to buy or sell anything, or travel anywhere, without them knowing about it, and soon, approve it. They want to get rid of cash. This is a work in progress. Naturally, they lie and sell it on "convenience". At the end of this stage, they practically hold your life in their hands.
Look further, and it gets truly nightmarish. They are floating the idea, and trying to get people accustomed to the idea, of implants, that is they want to chip you like a dog, or like cattle. Logically, your chip replaces the card. They are currently selling that as "trendy and modern" (Spanish nightclub, Silicon Valley access control), to "protect our children" (that scumbag Kevin Warwick), to "protect our children, again" (proposed chipping of paedophiles), to "care for the elderly and confused" etc.
If "they" get their way, we will see deranged madmen conspiracy theorists and truth seekers running around the streets, ranting, terrified.... they really will be mad, realising their chip has been "turned off", and they will surely die or be disappeared within days.
I suggest you read "I want the earth plus 5%", easily findable (for now) on the net. I also suggest you read the relevant passages in The Book of Revelations, and ask yourself why you know the bit about "the number of the beast", all that Omen stuff, but not the bit about "...no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK...".
I'm not "religious", by the way, I'm not pushing the bible on you.
Actually, I think that's the 2nd most important thing you should do... ask yourself why you know about the horror movies and the jokes about 666, why they want you to think it's a mark ON the beast, but not the bit that really does seem to be coming true, and will if we allow it.
In a nutshell:
ID cards > "Uni"card > chipping like cattle > absolute elite control of humanity. |
You see that's the thing - I am truly against this proposal, yet I'm not sure why? The ethics of it, the very thought of it, the notion that they want to know everything about us...it can only serve a purpose of a pre-cursor to something even more worrying, as you highlighted in your post.
Obviously, once the people accept and become comfortable with the I.D. Card and its database(s), it will become even easier to persuade the people that implants are a solution to the problems of the day.
The thing I find hardest is trying to persuade people...I, like others, believe this plan is part of a bigger picture. Seeing as a lot of people I talk to don't even accept that governments are involved in false flags, despite the overwhelming evidence - trying to tell them this I.D. malarkey is a step closer to a chip in your arm with all your money on it is useless. |
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| Lee wrote: | Exactly.
It's about tracking every transaction, tracking and recording every single move. |
You will need to include the downsides to this - what are they?
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| telecasterisation wrote: | | Lee wrote: | Exactly.
It's about tracking every transaction, tracking and recording every single move. |
You will need to include the downsides to this - what are they? |
You then, need to clarify any upsides as your post intimates ??
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| Ravenmoon wrote: | | telecasterisation wrote: | | Lee wrote: | Exactly.
It's about tracking every transaction, tracking and recording every single move. |
You will need to include the downsides to this - what are they? |
You then, need to clarify any upsides as your post intimates ?? |
Lovely sidestep.
Every transaction is currently recorded now, my bank sends me a regular statement = great so I can see if anyone has appropriated funds they shouldn't have. Before Christmas, I had a duplicate direct debit going out - did I want to know about that? Yes please.
What additional transactions will I be making that will be recorded to my detriment?
As for recording 'every single move', I have no clue who will be watching 60,000,000 people in the UK, how it is planned to be done or why? CCTV cameras are pretty much manned by Joe Public and images recorded for a period of time which is like having racks of home movies of people you don't know = cool.
You will appreciate that answering my question in the way you have, suggests you haven't thought this through. Can't you just supply something more substantial than a simple turnaround? It certainly does nothing to help convince anyone that there is anything dodgy.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| telecasterisation wrote: |
You will need to include the downsides to this - what are they? |
First of all why do I need to do that? To convince you? inspire you? Enable you to scurry away and concoct a suitably contrary reply?
Would you agree knowledge is power? And absolute power corrupts absolutely?
What might absolute knowledge lead to? The quicker attainment of absolute power?
Total surveillance may lead to the constant algorithmic reading of humanity and their collective mindset. Which means being able to predict the masses every move which will then enable the elite to have even more ammunition against any dissent and against any chance of their tyrannical machinations being first of all recognized then thwarted.
Now I'm not talking about getting a regular bank statement from those who have your money in their possession, reassuring you that you still have access to it and no one else does, apart from them of course.
Consider this, ever done something illegal? Ever bought something off the back of a lorry? Ever bought something that makes you smile that you cant get in the shops?  ....
Now, you may be a fine upstanding citizen who wouldn't dream of doing such a thing. Far too irresponsible and dangerous to boot, but do you think those with the Eye in the sky wont be partaking in a little of what you illegally fancy?
Those that send you that bank statement at Christmas are engaged in many an illegality and use your money to fund their warmongering lifestyles.
Do you imagine buskers,street performers and the like walking around with card-readers instead of a hat for your donations?
The world gets drabber by the minute under the all seeing eye. Don't worry though we still have Hollywood. Bertlesmen and the like to sell us what they want us to buy.
There are of course many more "downsides" which you may not consider so, but in the end those with the eye on us all will continue to do what they wish and know when we do what they don't. |
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