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The WTC2 Stream of Molten Metal

 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:24 am    Post subject: The WTC2 Stream of Molten Metal Reply with quote

This is a work in progress discussing the visual evidence of molten metal flowing from WTC2:

http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/wtc2-corner/wtc-metal.html





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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to tell from your studies where the "molten metal" is coming from. e.g. ceiling level, floor level or mid room height. This may determine what materials were available in those locations. Similary if from the ceiling void could it not be a liquid burning from a ruptured service pipe? or a ruptured high voltage cable shorting out (this would probably have switched a circuit breaker so an unlikely scenario)

Do we know who occupied the office from where the material appears to be coming from?

Also could it be anything burning from the remains of the plane or what the plane was carrying (assuming NPT is a non starter)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the NIST analysis of the location of the source. It appears to have spilled from a sagging floor slab at the top of the window, and had probably pooled on the floor before it spilled out. You can find a discussion of this in the section of the NIST document referenced in the paper. Somewhere there is a stabilized slow motion video of this molten material which shows clearly that it was not some burning. That is also a fairly obvious conclusion from the other stills and videos.

Since the ceiling void had only weak ceiling tiles suspended by flimsy wires, anything flowing from that location can be ruled out. The idea the phenomenon was a result of some kind of high voltage arching, or similar, has, to my knowledge, no precedences nor theoretical support.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Controversial stuff this! Reply with quote

Dear friends,
I happen to find this highly improbable.

I agree with Jones and Reynold's Paper here:
http://drjudywood.com/articles/why/why_indeed.html#Thermite

For mentioning these dreaded names will this thread get relegated to Controversial theories?

Even though I find the thread highly controversial = I don't see how such a thing could have happened and suspect videofakery , I personally don't wish for it to be relegated to some Controversial section of this website. Let mistakes, if error this flowing aluminium sequence be, be tackled with reason and evidence, not administrative shuffling.

But this and other articles here prove my point that Tony is operating an unconscious or conscious bias against th work of Woods on weird phenomana of the Hutchison-effect/DEW variety (perhaps) while not shunting off other weird phenomena such as at metal pouring out of a window, then the neighbouring one!?

Please contact me if you agree that Tony's policy should change on this. And/or let Tony know too by pm or some other way.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But this and other articles here prove my point that Tony is operating an unconscious or conscious bias against th work of Woods on weird phenomana of the Hutchison-effect/DEW variety (perhaps) while not shunting off other weird phenomena such as at metal pouring out of a window, then the neighbouring one!?

Please contact me if you agree that Tony's policy should change on this. And/or let Tony know too by pm or some other way


Yes Keith its gatekeeper editorial journalism and disrespectful imo, certainly not a level playing field. Its controversial based on the judgment of Tony and his team.

I closely follow Andrew Johnsons scientific research on this subject and remain open minded. Andrew deserved better than the unfair and unreasonable treatment he received from Tony and his team.

The common ground though is that none of us believe or support the OCT and that fact alone should enable us to work together in unison in our mission statement..........to expose the truth of 911.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you specifically address the scientific merits of the paper I posted a link to, rather than changing the subject?

The evidence for the use of thermite in the destruction of the WTC is conclusive.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The molten metal was lead from batteries stored by Fuji Bank on the very floor hit by 'Flight 175.
http://iamthewitness.com/Bollyn/Bollyn-Fuji-WTC.html
Dr Jones' hypothesis of thermate is therefore redundant.
Professor Fetzer thoroughly discredits Jones' interpretation in this argument between them at:
http://67.15.255.19/~c911sch1/images/proofofthermatequestioned.pdf
The evidence of thermate/thermite put forward by Jones and his acolytes is thoroughly debunked here:
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Micpsi wrote:
The molten metal was lead from batteries stored by Fuji Bank on the very floor hit by 'Flight 175.
http://iamthewitness.com/Bollyn/Bollyn-Fuji-WTC.html
Dr Jones' hypothesis of thermate is therefore redundant.
Professor Fetzer thoroughly discredits Jones' interpretation in this argument between them at:
http://67.15.255.19/~c911sch1/images/proofofthermatequestioned.pdf
The evidence of thermate/thermite put forward by Jones and his acolytes is thoroughly debunked here:
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm


That "debunking" is complete rubbish. I used to be in Fetzer's Scholars for Truth until I realized it was a fraud.

Glaring Proof of Something Hotter than an Office Fire in WTC2

I challenge anybody to reproduce the recorded phenomenon of brightly glowing molten metal (or any other material exhibiting a similar appearance) using only materials and conditions reasonably present in World Trade Center Building 2 (WTC2) without assuming the presence of some intentionally placed pyrotechnic material such as thermate.

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