Spread the truth

[pepik]

7/7 conspiracy theories are the topic of a reasonably popular, reasonably mainstream blog today.

The blog is open to all with no registration required, and only complete spambot loons get their comments deleted. You will not be censored.

Go on, stop preaching to the converted. See if you can convince an audience that's hasn't had much exposure to "Truth". Tell them about 7/7, 911, the lot.

[pepik]

Turns out Gosling (via this website) is what is being discussed and mocked. Yet no takers. Doesn't anyone here have the courage to speak out?

[Stefan]

A link would be useful to knowing what you're talking about...

[pepik]

whoops! well that would explain a few things. thanks

http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/

Story is titled "Silly Goose".

[pepik]

I'm sorry to see that with 83 views not a single person felt like going to the forum and standing up for Gosling or 7/7 truth.

Does this movement just keep to itself?

[marky 54]

most of the comments are simply taking the piss out of what is said, and totally ignore the reasons some of the conclusions were reached or proposed.

they go on as though its all made up from thin air, when infact there are reasons why some may come to those conclusions.

instead of discussing the information which led to the proposed theory, they simply take the piss.

this may well be how you work pepik, but it aint how most people work, you cannot debate with ignorance.

discuss the evidence or information that led to the theory or conclusions, taking the piss out of somebody and ignoring the rest is just a display of ignorance.

why would i bother with people like that?

im all for discussing the evidence or what information concludes, but when it gets into taking the piss, theres no point.

i would'nt accept it if somebody was taking the piss out of you pepik, and ignoring your point or the reasons you made the point.

so it's nothing to do with sideing with anyone, its just ignorance to ignore the message and play the man.

its why i moan when you use ridicule, because it is discussing the information that is important, confirming what is right and wrong that is important, not taking the piss out of eachother.

[pepik]

I'm not that bothered actually, in some forums I'm liked and in some forums I'm not. If I believe in something I say it, if all people can come up with in return is ridicule, its not really a concern for me. I get the view out there anyway.

Conspiracy theories will be met with ridicule anywhere you go. That's life. Any kind of new, different thinking will be met with ridicule. But if you really, truly believe that the government has conspired to kill thousands of its own citizens and start a war in Afghanistan as part of an evil plot, its very hard to believe that the prospect of a little ridicule would prevent you from spreading the message.

We keep hearing around here how the evidence is overwhelming, how even the most basic laws of physics have been broken. Yet despite this overwhelming case, you can't venture out to convince people unless you are sure you won't be mistreated?

[marky 54]

[pepik]

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Mahatma Gandhi

Maybe he should have said "First they laugh at you, then you give up".

[marky 54]

to be honest i have no intrest in warning ignorant people or discussing issues with ignorant people, its their future if they are so sure everything is fine then thats up to them, if they can still laugh at people who bought the message in 10 years, then i'll be glad.

[blackbear]

Silly Goose!

"Blimey! Could it have been an underground nuke?"

Tony Gosling is a strange person. His website starts...

"Hi, I'm Tony Gosling, this website's editor, my contact details are near the bottom of this page. If you have a minute though, do check out why I believe The Bible (not the establishment church) is still the clearest guide to understanding the Godawful mess this world's in..."
And soon gets to the crunch...

" Hey Tony, did the Tribulation begin on September 11th 2001? Will it begin tomorrow or in two thousand years time.........? World Government is moving closer all the time - and what's the chance that it will serve the people? Zero! And hardly anybody tells the public or dares to talk about how totalitarian the European Union is. We could be in for some serious skullduggery in coming years/months. A political/financial crisis, combined with spiritual disinformation could push us into a Fourth Reich, New World Order, with an official world religion that claims to represent ALL religions. This is what Prince Charles is advocating NOW. Powerful people will certainly be preparing their version of a spiritual 'panacea' to fill the spiritual gap THEY have created."
There are more edifying articles like "British Royal family and the antichrist". Clearly a moonbat. So where do moonbats go?

Well, they assume grand titles like "investigative journalist" and end up as expert contributors to Yvonne Ridley's TV show for the Islamic Republic of Iran. (Which is where Ridley moved after quitting the Islam Channel after accusing her bosses of sexism. Imagine that!).

Anyway, The Riddler was punting her show on that growing bastion of moonbattery, Indymedia a few days ago. The Agenda, Iran's State propogandists' answer to Panorama or Newsnight (they like to think) featured a "debate" between the aforementioned Mr Gosling and David Aaronovitch about whether the 7/7 bombs where a "false flag" operation or not.

Aaronovitch did splendidly, though I question the wisdom of going on such a show and giving credibility to loons like Gosling. Aaronovitch has crossed swords with their ilk before, it has to be said, so maybe it's a sport.

Watch the whole sideshow on YouTube.

A sample (paraphrased) ... Gosling: The State claims the bombers took the 7:40 from Luton, but records show that that train was cancelled. Cancelled! The 7:40 from Luton... never... even... ran!! Aaronovitch: Yes, and those same records show the 7:23 was running late, so is it not possible they took the late 7:23? Like duh!? (Okay, he didn't actually say the "like duh" but he must have thought it. His point is that conspiracy nuts obsess about minutiae instead of considering the whole body of evidence. The important thing is that the bombers got on the train at roughly 7:40; whether the train was the 'official 7:40 train' is neither here nor there... why am I even explaining this, it's blindingly obvious.)

Or watch this this codswallop if you want more... (Remember, this man is the vice-chair of the Bristol branch of the NUJ. Good grief!)

And now Gosling is back on Indymedia - where else? - with his latest theory. (Though it should be noted that Indymedia's paranoid community turn on each other with monotonous regularity.)

Yes, folks, the cause of yesterday's earthquake was covert underground nuclear testing conducted by the MoD at a secret airbase. Gosling has ordinance survey maps and everything to prove it. (sorry, 'troofers' don't prove anything, they "just ask questions". "Blimey! Could it have been an underground nuke?" he asks, in this instance.)

Well, at least he didn't ascribe it to "climate change". He could have been all over Sky News. It's just bizarre when people can't accept that earthquakes and floods have happened since, like Heathrow's third runway claimed its first victim, man. Not every event has human, much less divine, agency behind it.
Moonbattery | Comments (61)..... even one from Paul Stott...

on the evil muslim hate site.....http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/

"You have only just come across Tony Gosling? In which case you have been truly blessed. He doesn't just post on the 9/11 forum, he is one of the head honchos there, enabling him to act like the school prefect he so desperately wanted to become...I think some posters here are far too soft on the 9/11 cult--their anti-semitism is no accident! Check out the site I help out with: www.911cultwatch.org.uk and have a good laugh. You will never see Goya the same way again..."

Posted by Heidi Svenson

[pepik]

In your case it makes more sense, since you aren't sure of anything. But its harder to understand why the others around here, who seem 100% certain, don't want to spread the message.

[kbo234]

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[marky 54]

[marky 54]

[Bushwacker]

John Reid acknowledged in July 2006 that the official account saying that they took the 7.40 was wrong LINK The delayed 7.23 left at 7.25, so they would just about had enough time to catch it, provided they already had tickets, although some people dispute that. It arrived at Kings Cross at 8.23, so that ties up with the narrative. This mistake is another demonstration that there should have been an enquiry, rather than simply a narrative.

[Micpsi]

FinancialOutrage is adamant that it would have been impossible for four people even with pre-purchased tickets to have caught the train that left Luton for Kings Cross at 7.24am:
(snip)
Further Details Regarding the Time it Takes to Walk to the Platform and why the 7.24 AM Train was NOT an Option

If you go to Luton station you will clearly see that it takes 3 minutes 35 seconds to get to the platform, without even buying a ticket, never mind four individuals each buying four individual tickets, and carrying large rucksacks.

You have to go through the ground floor entrance, up a long flight of stairs, turn left along a long passageway to the ticket office, then you have to go half way downstairs, view the 6 screens to see which platform you are going from, and along another corridor and then down the stairs to find the platform........


It is ABSOLUTELY PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to do all this in TWO minutes.
(snip).
http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/uk_media.htm#Physically%20Impossibl e

So we are left in a dilemma. Do we accept this view as accurate or was the Home Secretary (actually his advisors) merely assuming that it would have been possible for the men to catch the train in time? I'd say the issue was not settled by his answer in the House and that it remains unresolved.

[sam]

[nrmis]

They seem like fair questions.
Would it also be reasonable to ask...
How tf did the police investigating the biggest terrorist slaughter on British soil spend 12 months interviewing people , gathering evidence, 'leaving no stone unturned'.... and put them on a train that was cancelled.

[pepik]

Because which train they took really wasn't the biggest issue in the investigation.

[scubadiver]

[sam]

[pepik]

Not really that revealing,. I'd rather they focus on the actual terrorists who actually did it, not fascination with improbable, illogical, incoherent theories.

I think what is revealing in Micspi's verison. Fabricated, ridiculous, unverified. But swallowed eagerly by conspiracy theorists. You lot don't blink when you get lied to, you just line up for seconds.

[sam]

[pepik]

He's busy getting more conspiracy theories from the same website.

[KP50]

[nrmis]

[sam]

[KP50]