The 7/7 Noplaners

[emil]

It seems to me that the people who think that the bombs were planted beforehand, and that the 4 suspects didn't make the journey by train to london, etc, are the 7/7 equivalent of the 9/11 "noplaners" brigade.

It seems more plausable, that it was a LIHOP or MIHOP operation, with the 4 suspects actually being suicide bombers, although perhaps their handlers not being islamists as they believed.

And like the 9/11 noplaners, the conspirators would want to encourage these theories to discredit other more plausible scenarios. To this end, they have made sure that hardly any CCTV footage has been released, and that the official story has contradictions, espcecially the confusion over train times.

Emil

[Ally]

who is this divy?

[emil]

Well I expected this kind of response from you. Do you think the same about steven jones, alex jones, jim hoffman and the other people who don't believe the noplaners?

[insidejob]

I'm with Ally on this one. I'm getting scare that this thread is going to go down the road of 'angry young UK Muslims who want to kill themselves because of Iraq' ie. paranoia about UK Muslims.

There is no history of suicide bombing taking place in Britain that I am aware of. Could you please explain why they decided to become suicide bombers?

Could you please explain why Khan said how great Zarqawi is (in Khan's 'confession video') while Zarqawi said he hated Sunni Muslims and wanted civil war and why, therefore, Khan wanted to kill himself because the West are killing Muslims in Iraq?

Could you please explain why one of the bombers in the Luton station photograph is a magician?

Could you please explain why Tanweer changed his trousers on 7/7 as stated by the official government, gobbledygook narrative?

Could you please explain what they hoped to achieve by killing themselves?

Could you please explain how they managed to become 007, covert operation specialists?

You present merely a notion. We need far more than that to begin to take it seriously.

insidejob

[emil]

Well these 4 guys must have been executed, bombs must have been placed under the train without anyone in the depots noticing, the cctv footage faked, forensic evidence planted, etc. Is this more plausible than that they were suicide bombers? Maybe not to you, but you're not going to get most people to believe this unless there's a ton of overwhelming evidence.

What do you think of this article?
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagontrap.html

I agree with it. And I think there are similarities with the 7/7 situation.

Emil

[scar]

[insidejob]

The site you point to contains:
ERROR: 'Pentagon Attack Maneuvers Preclude a 757'
Hani Hanjour may not have been up to the task, but a 757's flight control computer seems sufficient. It's equipped with radar altimeters and accurate GPS monitors for precise altitude and position tracking. It can analyze and respond to conditions hundreds of times per second.

How does a computer ensure that a 757 dives 7,000 feet travelling over 400mph and level off at 20 feet? Was the plane and the computer made in Area 51?

This manoeuvre alone says to me that a 757 crashing into the Pentagon is nonsense.

Then there is silly idea that the 757 would be smashed into confetti. How does confetti create THREE holes in the Pentagon? This is ridiculous.

Equally, people who believe that four young Muslim men would blow themselves up because of Iraq and the Koran are paranoid and delusional. In Palestine suicide bombing is not a religious duty but a military tactic to get round well-armed Israelis. London Underground do not have Uzi-weilding, Mossad-trained ticket collectors: the bomber did not need to kill themselves.

What faked cctv footage? There is no cctv footage of the bombers on July 7 that has been made public.

There is no ‘ton of evidence’ that proves the four did any suicide bombing. There is supposition. Not even Khan, on the strange video confession, could utter the words “I’m prepared to die”. Many Muslims don’t believe the suicide story. Most others haven’t thought about and certainly can’t explain if asked what was the necessity of killing themselves.

[emil]

[scar]

[John White]

[emil]

Hi John, thanks for your considered reply. My original post was motivated by reading Hoffman's article (linked above), which advocates that the noplane theories are a distraction, and are deliberately nurtured by certain elements, in order to discredit other skeptics of the official line.

My thinking was that perhaps the same is happening with 7/7. Here, our smoking gun, or "WTC7", is the apparent lying about Siddique Khan being a "cleanskin", and that MI6 seem to have something to hide. Plus the Haroon Aswat business. Perhaps the planted bombs/ never caught train/ etc theories are a diversion from this?

As you can see I'm not accepting the official line at all. But that doesn't mean everything in the official story is false. I believe it's entirely plausible that these men were on a suicide mission, albeit with either the tacit knowledge (LIHOP) or the active involvement as a false flag operation (MIHOP), of the security services. I understand what has been said above about there being no precendent for suicide bombings in the UK, but there's been plenty of suicide bombings elsewhere in the world, and there's been suffragette suicides, etc in this country before, so it wouldn't entirely be without precedent.

Emil

[Jane]