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| Quote: | Whenever buildings are demolished, cluods of dust are produced as potential energy is converted to kinetic energy and then to crushing (pulverisation) energy. The larger, the taller, the building, the larger the clouds of dust that are produced.
Implosions do not produce dust. Implosions are used to shear through the supporting columns of the building. The dust is produced later when the building collapses.
Those people who think that clouds of dust are evidence pf explosives have not understood the processes that are occurring. |
I dispute this statement - controlled demolitions involve implosion and produce clouds of dust. Therefore implosions produce dust.
To clarify, implosions are the opposite of explosions i.e. the collapse occurs into the volume of the structure as oppsed to outside of it. Dust and debris will be ejected as a result of the laws of conservation of momentum. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implosion
Explosives are placed around the supporting frame(s) within the structure to destabilise the support in such a way as to permit the process of 'implosion' to take place. Implosions to not 'cut steel' - explosions do. The use of the term implosion in the context of building demolition is slightly misleading as there is no dependency on a pressure differential from outside (high pressure) to inside (low pressure). The term refers to the effect of the building collapsing into its own volume.
Here is at least one example of controlled demolition (implosion) producing clouds of dust: http://www.gallerize.com/151%20WINDY%20TOWERS%20OF%209-11%20Two.htm
Boats packed Elliott Bay Sunday morning to watch the implosion from the water. Although Washington State Ferries attempted to stick to a normal schedule despite the demolition work, vessels were delayed by the marine traffic jam. (March 26, 2000)
Photo Credit: Paul Kitagaki Jr./Seattle Post-Intelligencer
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| Quote: | | Why should anyone go to the bother of both flying aircraft into the Twin Towers AND planting explosives? |
To make it look like the planes flying into the buildings were the cause of the collapse. They were not, but people like you will believe they were the cause because you are told that, in spite of the obvious and blatant holes in that "explanation". I know there were a multitude of explosions as I have seen them on videos and heard testimony from firemen at the scene who I do not believe to be lying. Why do you accuse them of lying CTS?
| Quote: | | Everyone should also note that, in both cases, the collapse began at the level where the aircraft penetrated the building. Again, the simplest explanation suggests that the collapse of each building was directly connected to the damage done to the building by the aircraft. |
Both??? thats two!! What about the third? No plane hit wtc7. Concentrate on that one with your "explanation". |
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You could take CTS more seriously if he didn’t merely reproduce the official conspiracy theory nonsense.
No mechanism has been proposed to explain the dust or the lack of large pieces of concrete. The only explanation there can be according to the official theory is that concrete flung itself into the air and exploded itself. That is, a collapse of a tall building due to structural weakness would not cause the dust seen on 9/11. The dust is what convinces MIT Engineer and Researcher, Jeff King, that explosions brought down the building.
The pancake theory was accepted by FEMA and put forward by Thomas Egar, a material scientist who isn’t a structural engineer. An authority on building collapse, Weldinger and Associates rejects pancake theory, as does the US’ National Institute for Science and Technology. In NIST’s final report into the twin tower collapse they state that their report: "does not actually include the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached..."
You’re not in the majority in the US. The latest Zogby poll shows over half of the people in the US do not believe the official conspiracy theory.
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| Quote: | Does anyone dispute this statement? I challenge anyone to find a video of the professional demolition of a building that shows the following:
1. The sounds and maybe the flashes of the internal implosions going off shearing through the main supports of the buildings that were ALSO accompanied by the production of large clouds of dust.
2. The subsequent (ie after the implosions has gone off) gravity-led collapse that did NOT produce any dust. |
Since posting the above challenge, I have done some research and found the following site:
http://www.implosionworld.com/cinema.htm
[You will need Macromedia Flash Player 8 (or 9) - also known as Adobe Flash Player 8 (or 9)ActiveX - to play these videos]
If you click on the various videos of controlled demolitions, it can be seen that I was clearly mistaken. Probably in a majority of cases, the explosions produce some dust, and sometimes quite a lot of dust. But in every case, what is also clear is that the greater amount of dust is produced after the explosions have ended and the building actually collapses. And that the larger and taller the building, the larger the clouds of dust that are produced.
This supports my point that the kinetic energy released by the force of gravity is sufficient by itself to cause pulverisation of some of the material of which the building is composed.
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| Quote: | You could take CTS more seriously if he didn’t merely reproduce the official conspiracy theory nonsense.
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Inside job,
I like to think I have a mind of my own and that I am capable of forming my own judgements. Much of what I say does not appear in any "official version".
I first heard of the conspiracy theories from a friend who is an ardent believer in conspiracy theories and who first told me about the www.nineeleven.co.uk site, and I decided to call myself CTS and have a look at the site.
I never knew of the so-called "official version" until I learnt about it on this site. People should therefore note that I am a sceptic by nature, and that I am a sceptic regarding probably all conspiracy theories, and that I probably represent the vast majority of people who are mostly sceptical of the huge improbabilities subscribed to by conspiracy theorists. That is why I call myself a self-appointed spokesman of the vast majority of people who find it difficult to believe in conspiracy theories. That does not mean that they are naive and believe everything that is told them by governments. All governments sometimes lie or withhold some or all of the truth.
Despite all the so-called evidence I have read regarding the events of 9/11, I remain completely sceptical that the US Government carried out or assisted in any way the events of 9/11.
However, I think there should be an investigation about what the US Government knew in the period leading up to 9/11 and about what they did or did not do with their information.
People should note that if they have failed to convince me of the validity of their arguments, they will have a huge job trying to convince the vast majority of people.
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CTS,
You obviously feel very important having appointed yourself to represent so many people. Let's see what you really know?
I'm going off message some what, but ask yourself this simple question. Why do official letters within the UK from banks, the inland revenue, the law enforcement agencies and other government bodies, always address a letter to you with your name spelt in UPPER CASE? And why does the US flag, the Stars and Stripes, always has a gold fringe when displayed in a court or federal building and on the uniforms of US troops?
Do you know? Would you like to see how deep the rabbit hole really goes?
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| Justin wrote: | CTS,
You obviously feel very important having appointed yourself to represent so many people. Let's see what you really know?
I'm going off message some what, but ask yourself this simple question. Why do official letters within the UK from banks, the inland revenue, the law enforcement agencies and other government bodies, always address a letter to you with your name spelt in UPPER CASE? And why does the US flag, the Stars and Stripes, always has a gold fringe when displayed in a court or federal building and on the uniforms of US troops?
Do you know? Would you like to see how deep the rabbit hole really goes? |
Ive read about UPPER CASE...but doesnt that only apply to usa? |
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Everyone should also note that, in both cases, the collapse began at the level where the aircraft penetrated the building. Again, the simplest explanation suggests that the collapse of each building was directly connected to the damage done to the building by the aircraft.
Both??? thats two!! What about the third? No plane hit wtc7. Concentrate on that one with your "explanation". |
Blackcat, your comment is typical of the deviousness of the conspiracy-theory mind. Talk about moving the goalposts!!
"Both??? thats two!! What about the third? No plane hit wtc7. Concentrate on that one with your "explanation".
OK, if you want to know about WT7, then do some research. How about opening up all the links inside the following site and reading everything you find on it. You will learn that WTC7 was badly damaged by the collapse of the nearer of the Twin Towers and that there were extensive fires on many floors in the building and that the friefighters were expecting the building to collapse. Have the honesty to read through the whole link. Here it is:
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7___silverstein.html
Try not to believe the twaddle you have been fed by the other CTs. Look at the evidence of this site and make up your own mind. OK?
I have answered your question about WTC7. Now you answer mine about WTC1 and WTC2.
OK?
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| Quote: | CTS,
You obviously feel very important having appointed yourself to represent so many people. Let's see what you really know?
I'm going off message some what, but ask yourself this simple question. Why do official letters within the UK from banks, the inland revenue, the law enforcement agencies and other government bodies, always address a letter to you with your name spelt in UPPER CASE? And why does the US flag, the Stars and Stripes, always has a gold fringe when displayed in a court or federal building and on the uniforms of US troops?
Do you know? Would you like to see how deep the rabbit hole really goes?
Ive read about UPPER CASE...but doesnt that only apply to usa? |
I really don't know how I came to be CTS, whether I started it or someone else, but if CTS offends you, I am quite happy to be cts. CTS simply has the merit of being clearer. And I am officially registered as ConspiracyTheorySceptic. I chose the capitals simply for clarity. And CTS is the obvious abbreviation. OK?
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http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html
From CTS's link
| Quote: | ...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
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CTS, can you give any credible explanation for why a bulge in the southwest corner would result in the classic central "crump" leading the the collapse of WTC7 looking like a textbook controlled demolition?
Surely this kind of damage would have led to a half-arsed collapse from one side and debris spread randomly?
Why, if building 7 is such an easy argument to knock down, does the 911 Commision report deal so superficially with the collpase of building 7 and. essentially, do its damndest to ignore the issue?
A 47 story skyscraper that, in my experiance, the majority of the public have no idea collapsed that day
Now I can stretch my imagination and see that if WTC7 could be wired up for controlled demolition (which Mr Silverstein clearly said it was pulled: thats on the record) smoke producing fires on the south face wouldnt be much of a problem
But lets not embarise ourselves again with confounding the engineering history of these structures and trying to convince ourselves that such fires could have led to a collapse
And of course, theres that central crump and neat footprint pattern
Your explanation?
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They address you in upper case because you are legally as an individual a registered corporation and that's the only way their software will allow you to be addressed.
I don't quite know what that's got to do with CTS's roundabout twaddle
Give the guy a break |
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And I dont mind being abbreviated to JW, btw
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| Quote: | | I have answered your question about WTC7. Now you answer mine about WTC1 and WTC2. |
You have answered nothing! WTC1 and 2 were blown up and it is so glaringly obvious only someone evil would persist in continuing to muddy the waters to prevent justice from coming to pass. WTC7 was barely damaged and the fires should not have spread. It fell at free fall speed and explosions are clearly seen as per a controlled demolition. The official report is a fabrication made by the people who were responsible for the mass murder on that day. You consider we are "conspiracy theorists" and that you are a sceptic of such beliefs. Well I consider you are a "Fairy tale believer" and I am a Fairy Tale Sceptic.
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There is no escaping the fact that the WTC1 and WTC2 had a strong central column design that hadn't taken any damage at the bottom, so there should have been a remnant of the central column of each tower left after their collapse. Instead what we see in the picture with the firefighters at Ground Zero is one of the central column box sections with a diagonal cut through it. How was this diagonal cut achieved with jet fuel many floors above?
(I won't post the picture as it got taken down the last time I posted it on this forum - copyright problems? - but I'm sure you know the one I mean) |
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| Quote: | | I'm going off message some what, but ask yourself this simple question. Why do official letters within the UK from banks, the inland revenue, the law enforcement agencies and other government bodies, always address a letter to you with your name spelt in UPPER CASE? And why does the US flag, the Stars and Stripes, always has a gold fringe when displayed in a court or federal building and on the uniforms of US troops? |
CTS - the reason why I asked these questions is an attempt on my part to make you see the much bigger picture. For hundreds of years - some say thousands - there has been an organised unaccountable elite who, quite definitely, do not have our best interests at heart. The network of ever changing secret societies, whether it be the Round Table, the Bilderberg Group, or the Trilateral Commission to name but a few, are as active today as they have ever been. Top bankers, industrialists, politicians and media tycoons meet and decide global agendas behind closed doors regardless of what 'democratic' decisions are arrived at by our elected representatives. These are facts which cannot be disputed but are not widely known courtesy of the controlled media - the same media that prevents us from widely questionning the official 9/11 story.
Now to my questions. I have to tell you CTS, that in the eyes of the government, you are not a breathing human being at birth, but a corporation/trust. Everytime a child is born a corporation/trust is created using his or her name in all upper case. They do this because governments are corporations and they operate under commercial law, the law of contracts. You will never in your lifetime get an official letter from them with your name spelt beginning with a capital followed by lower case letters, ie Justin Walker. Next time you get a speeding ticket or tax reminder, write to them and try and get them to change your name to lower case - they won't. Commercial law has taken over from Common law (which is based on precedents taken over hundreds of years) because it is easier for the elite to manipulate and to establish an 'elected' dictatorship. The same applies to the Stars and Stripes. Under the International Law of the Flags a gold fringe indicates the jurisdiction of commercial law, also known as British Maritime Law.
Now I bet, CTS, that you didn't know anything about this - after all you are the self-appointed representative of the 'masses'. My advice to you, my friend, rather than just blindly follow the official story of 9/11, is to take your inquisitiveness and healthy sceptism into a much wider arena. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming that history is not quite what the official history books would like to tell us. And when you do, that key question concerning 9/11 - cui bono? - leads you to some very interesting answers. And who knows, CTS, you might even one day join us....when the penny drops!
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| I don't believe I have heard so much gibberish spouted by CTS since someone at my Sunday school (many years ago) tried to instil into me the idea of Adam and Eve. Oh, by the way, I was about 7 years of age at the time. |
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Wokeman wrote:
| Quote: | | I don't believe I have heard so much gibberish spouted by CTS since someone at my Sunday school (many years ago) tried to instil into me the idea of Adam and Eve. Oh, by the way, I was about 7 years of age at the time. |
Thankyou, Wokeman, you are so kind. I can picture you - just - as an innocent 7-year old.
You mention Adam and Eve. Obviously, you treat what you were taught as a fairy tale. But why not see the deeper meaning of the story, the allegory, of Adam and Eve?
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| Quote: | | Obviously, you treat what you were taught as a fairy tale. But why not see the deeper meaning of the story, the allegory, of Adam and Eve? |
It IS a fairy tale! A fairy tale believed by millions of people in the world as a FACT - no allegory - just a fact. Now if they can fall for that how difficult should it be for evil people to convince them 19 Arabs can beat the most powerful military the world has ever known. Was the "fact" that the Sun went round the Earth an allegory? This kind of thing lies at the heart of this issue - peoples need for simple answers to make them content and therefore putting their trust in an authority which has the answers. However wrong those answers are. |
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Does my reply get passed over again? (again?)
for shame!
| John White wrote: | http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html
From CTS's link
| Quote: | ...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
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CTS, can you give any credible explanation for why a bulge in the southwest corner would result in the classic central "crump" leading the the collapse of WTC7 looking like a textbook controlled demolition?
Surely this kind of damage would have led to a half-arsed collapse from one side and debris spread randomly?
Why, if building 7 is such an easy argument to knock down, does the 911 Commision report deal so superficially with the collpase of building 7 and. essentially, do its damndest to ignore the issue?
A 47 story skyscraper that, in my experiance, the majority of the public have no idea collapsed that day
Now I can stretch my imagination and see that if WTC7 could be wired up for controlled demolition (which Mr Silverstein clearly said it was pulled: thats on the record) smoke producing fires on the south face wouldnt be much of a problem
But lets not embarise ourselves again with confounding the engineering history of these structures and trying to convince ourselves that such fires could have led to a collapse
And of course, theres that central crump and neat footprint pattern
Your explanation? |
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| Talking about wt7 is "moving the goalposts" John White. You have to stick to the ones where "it woz the planes wot dun it". |
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Well CTS did "challenge" us to look at the WTC7 section of his link...and I'm under no Illusion that this thread isnt his circus! 
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So-called truth seekers on this site should wake up to the real threat to our western, democratic and liberal way of life, namely, fundamentalist, jihadist Islam.
The Populus poll published in today's The Times [of London] reveals that 7 per cent of Britain's 1.6 million Muslims agree that suicide attacks on civilians in the UK can be justified in some circumstances. Assuming that of these 1.6 million, at least 1 million are adult. Then this means, according to the poll, that at least 70,000 of adult Muslims in Britain agree that suicide attacks on civilians in the UK can be justified in some circumstances. If just 1 percent of these 70,000 feel strongly enough to actually do something about their fundamentalist Islamic beliefs and their antipathy to UK civilians, then this amounts to about 700 potential suicide bombers living in the UK. If my estimate is true, then this is a sobering and frightening statistic.
In my opinion, the greatest threat to the democratic and liberal values of the western way of life comes from fundamentalist Islam. Islam is quite different from other religions in that it was spread by the sword, and even its founder, Mohammad, was a warrior. Furthermore, fundamentalist Islam has an obsession with jihad and martyrdom - where the concept of martyrdom is quite different from the Christian one - being victimised and dying for one's Christian beliefs. In fundamentalist and extremist Islam, a warrior can be considered a martyr if he believes his cause is right, even if, in dying for his cause, he kills innocent civilians.
Conspiracy theorists should wake up. They are chasing the wrong targets. The greatest threat that we face is not the fascism of the US Government but Islamofascism - and its declared aim to islamicise the world and introduce sharia law everywhere.
If you want a conspiracy theory that most people will find credible, then you should forget about the improbabilities of the MIHOP scenario and take note of the dire threat of Islamofascism.
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| Quote: | In my opinion, the greatest threat to the democratic and liberal values of the western way of life comes from fundamentalist Islam. Islam is quite different from other religions in that it was spread by the sword, and even its founder, Mohammad, was a warrior. Furthermore, fundamentalist Islam has an obsession with jihad and martyrdom - where the concept of martyrdom is quite different from the Christian one - being victimised and dying for one's Christian beliefs. In fundamentalist Islam, a warrior can be considered a martyr if he believes his cause is right, even if, in dying for his cause, he kills innocent civilians.
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There is so much b*llocks in this paragraph that I'm goggling at it
Not that I blame you for that CTS: but without knowing it, you have pawned yourself and why you are having such difficulty with the mountain of evidance for an inside job
The propogandists have you hook line and sinker: struggle to free yourself, I urge: study the history of Islam beyond the surface christianised perspective, you may be shocked by what you find
Fear and survival anxiety: with these tools our "betters" have enriched themselves, murdered millions and enslaved the world
How many Irish might have said domestic terrorism was justified during the troubles?
More to the point, how many Britons have defacto supported the terrorising and murder of thousands of Afghani's and Iraq's becuase their government promised them that had to die for them to be "safe"
Of course, history shows that ultimately, the reverse is always true
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| I have no problem with Muslims! It is the Zionists that are the problem. It is part of their insane agenda to demonise Arabs and Muslims and lead us in to war by staging an event like 9/11. The Arabs and Muslims have been attacked and killed in their millions by western governments and previously were enslaved by western empires. They have a right to be angry. The continuing support of the west, particularly the USA, for the actions of Israel has inflamed the Muslim world and the wonder is that there are not more atrocities considering what has been done to them. They did not stage 9/11! Iraq had no wmd!! It is lies to turn mindless people in the USA and UK into allowing the zionists to continue their murderous ways. I feel that they have gone too far this time and even though it is five years since 9/11 the worm is slowly turning. You can keep spouting your rhetoric but you will not prevent the truth from coming out! |
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John £hite writes:
| Quote: | | The propogandists have you hook line and sinker: struggle to free yourself, I urge: study the history of Islam beyond the surface christianised perspective, you may be shocked by what you find |
I have read quite a lot about Islam during the last 12 months, and I feel very concerned by what I have read. It seems to me that it is in the very nature of fundamentalist, extremist Islam that it is an intolerant and arrogant religion that will brook no opposition and whose declared aim is nothing less than the islamicisation of the world and the imposition of Sharia law everywhere.
Yes, muslims feel aggrieved by the invasion of muslim-held lands - in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, but these grievances are merely the excuse for fundamentalist Islam to express its real arrogant and intolerant nature. The following list of events had nothing to do with Iraq, Afghanistan or Palestine: the fatwa on Salman Rushdie, the murder of Theo van Gogh in Holland, the Danish cartoons furore, the setting up of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the attempt by fundamentalist muslims to take over the country, the civil war in Algeria between fundamentalist and secular muslims, the continuing struggle in Pakistan between fundamentalist and secular muslims for control of the country, the call by fundamentalist muslims in Britain for Sharia law to be imposed in those areas of Britain where muslims form the majority of the population.
Muddying the waters by drawing attention to the arrogance and actions of western countries, particularly the US, and their callous disregard for the lives of people in Iraq and Afghanistan, is to distract from the dangers of Islam. Also, it is my guess that only a tiny proportion of the Irish peoples were ever supportive of terrorism; and Irish terrorism was never given a religious justification in the way that imams debate the morality of suicide bombing. [If you doubt this point, do a Google search for "imams islam morality suicide bombings" and see for yourself]
Members of every major religion in the world live in Britain - Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, etc, as well as Muslims, and many of these people must sometimes feel aggrieved by their treatment in Britain, but how many reach for the sword in order to express their grievances in the way the muslims seem automatically to do when persuaded by fndamentalist imams?
Every religion has its fundamentalists, and, while I make no claim to expertise in the study of religions, it seems to me that fundamentalist practitioners of their religions draw in on themselves and seek to practise their religions in a more perfect form - fundamentalist Jews, Christian monks and nuns, Buddhist monks, and so on. Fundamentalist muslims seem to quite different. It is their declared aim to islamicise the world and impose their Sharia law and their cultural norms in any country in which they find themselves. This makes Islam a very dangerous religion -even moderate Islam - because how can one tell the difference between a moderate and an extremist muslim? What is there able to prevent a moderate muslim from becoming an extremist under the influence of a radical imam? And history shows that extremist muslims are ever willing to to take up the sword in the name of Allah.
You may hate and loathe George Bush and the present US Government, but Britons, and most peoples in the world, need have no fear of Americans living in their countries. But Britons, Spanish, Dutch, Danes, Balinese, Americans - all have very good reasons for being concerned about the Muslims living in their countries.
Wake up, truth-seekers. The threat to our western democratic and liberal ways of life do not come from US Government fascism but from Islamofascism.
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Eckyboy
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| Most muslims CTS are just like you and me. |
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insidejob
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: Islamofascism |
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I thought CTS was on the Left. Now, we know he's a paranoid delusional. Exactly how is Islamofascism a threat to economically and militarily powerful Western democracies? Could you briefly outline how Islamofacism is going to destroy "our freedoms"?
Could you also explain why it is that the US government supported the Muslim Brotherhood? They used the Brotherhood in the 1950s to overthrown Nasser in Egypt. They were persecuted by Nasser. So, the CIA got some clerics out of Egypt and transferred them to Saudi Arabia. These same clerics are the origins of fundamentalist Islam in Saudi Arabia.
Why then did the US and Britain finance the Muslim Brotherhood to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why did the intelligence services of the US, Pakistan and UK create Al-Muhajiroun in order to recruit UK Pakistanis to fight in Bosnia? Why then did the British help to create the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1920s?
If you want a threat to the West, I should look to the economic policies of MFEMFE Bush, which are about to preciptate an economic crash.
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John White
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Yup, "The Terror" has got to CTS alright: thats perfectly clear
As a point of information, its not hate I feel for the Bush's and Blairs of this world: its pity
The fascinating question as to the nature of Islam is certainly a very deep and strange journey to take
I dont feel this forum is an appropriate place for it though
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| Quote: | Wake up, truth-seekers. The threat to our western democratic and liberal ways of life do not come from US Government fascism but from Islamofascism.
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...and all along, we were all thinking it was our own government rapidly removing our liberties 
Get real FFSCTS |
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ConspiracyTheorySceptic
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Eckyboy writes:
| Quote: | | Most muslims CTS are just like you and me. |
Eckyboy,
Yes, most Muslims are just like you and me. Absolutely. And I have no quarrel with them. Several thousands of them live in the town where I live, and they seem a friendly and law-abiding, but, albeit, an inward-looking community. If you read what I wrote, nowhere do I attack the moderate Muslims. Similarly, I have nothing against Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, the various sects of Christianity, and so on - not even the fundamentalist sections of these various faiths. It is fundamentalist and extremist Islam that I am concerned about and its huge threat to our western freedoms and way of life.
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