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daz
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NorthernSoul
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Nice find,
I think that hits the nail on the head, the whole 9/11 Denial Movement decided that it was a conspiracy and then made up evidence to fit around it.
Of course it doesn't help the Dylan Avery, Steven Jones, DRG etc sucker the gullable in.
9/11 Denial is completely faith based, they have their prophets, their messiah, and if you don't believe then you are damned to hell. |
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NorthernSoul
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| TonyGosling wrote: | So questioning the global media empires is 'nihilism' now?
That's news to me  |
No not at all, I suggest approaching everything in life with a healthy degree of skepticism. Just make sure your conclusions are backed up and not just what is being spouted by Alex Jones and the like, don't be a sheep, the thing that you desperately trying not to be. |
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TmcMistress
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Not surprisingly, this article attacks the most ludicrous of 9/11 theories to begin with. Disappointing bit of rhetoric from what could otherwise be an interesting site.
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NorthernSoul
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Of course, the holographic planes and laser beams are the most fun!
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marky 54
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| NorthernSoul wrote: | | Of course, the holographic planes and laser beams are the most fun! |
and most obviously wrong and unsupported by the vast majority who question 9/11.
all you have to do is check those posting the stuff. it appears to be the same posters making many posts on a number of forums.
NPT etc, does not cover the thoughts of the vast majority who question events surrounding 9/11. yet it is always used as a starter or pointed out to tar all questioning 9/11 as looneys.
there are many who ask valid questions, but of course these people are ignored in favour of the obvious *ull*hit and wild claims by the minority.
if you think the vast majority of those who ask the valid questions post on forums your mistaken. they campaign for a new investigastion. those spreading *ull*hit tend to rely more on internet forums. |
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NorthernSoul
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The vast majority campaign? Next you're going to tell me 84% of people believe in MIHOP right?
Heres a suggestion, gather your "evidence" and take it to Mohammed Al Fayed, he believes in kooky garbage I'm sure he'll invest in it, take it to court and make your case.
Of course you won't, because "the beauty of a fake conspiracy is that it requires you to do nothing"
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Workers Liberty is the group that supports US imperialism in almost every conflict. Indeed the word Worker is just a euphemism for American Liberty the world over. Its no coincidence therefore they choose Shayler to blame all. Its blaming the message by highlighting the messenger.
At least one can always believe the media. That is after all the message from these clowns. No wonder no one takes them seriously anymore. Why bother, if the mainstream ones sell the same line what space is left for them? |
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Alex_V
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| TonyGosling wrote: | So questioning the global media empires is 'nihilism' now?
That's news to me
| Quote: | | Are the conspiracy-searching activists basically democratic idealists who have gone mad, driven round the bend by elected governments who do the opposite to what they expected? That’s part of the explanation. However, where does this idealism comes from? There are elements within the milieu who don’t hesitate to cheer on even the most barbaric Islamist actions, if they are directed against the American empire and the alleged conspiracy behind it. That is nihilism not idealism. |
Perfect example of a left-gatekeeping exercise at quite a high level. A slavish adherence to the Fascist Neocon line - our trade union has no truck with this Trot style gibberish.
Unfortunately quite a few trades unionists buy this garbage.
Admittedly David Shayler was a disaster waiting to happen  |
Obviously you're misrepresenting the passage you quote there. Where does it say that questioning global media empires is nihilism?
Obviously for you left-gatekeeping = holding an opinion to which you don't agree.
In terms of Shayler, the main points of the article concern 9/11 truth in general, not Shayler's theories. I think it is hits the nail on the head actually - whether the truth movement is right or wrong, it is having a debilitating effect on other, far more useful political discourse. |
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NorthernSoul
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| Alex_V wrote: |
In terms of Shayler, the main points of the article concern 9/11 truth in general, not Shayler's theories. I think it is hits the nail on the head actually - whether the truth movement is right or wrong, it is having a debilitating effect on other, far more useful political discourse. |
Indeed, you just have to look at how the truthers are pedaling there garbage alongside anti-war protesters to try and give themselves some credibility, not to mention there continuing appearances at Presidential candidate rallies.
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Reading the article I find it a bit ironic that this guy's extreme left politics are just as illogical and detached from reality as no plane theory. They are both based on irrational belief systems.
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TmcMistress
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Gee pepik, what a surprise that you consider far-left politics illogical. I'm shocked, really.
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