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SHERITON HOTEL
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 Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: Any word on the 'Judicial Watch' Pentagon film front? |
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| Even the most 'fundermentalist official 9/11 narrative zealot' has to admit there are more questions than answers re. 9/11, like the question of how the 'Judicial Watch' freedom of information action against the US government/confiscated films of whatever made that small hole through three rings of the facility 9/11 is going? I'm no legal eagle but surely they are in contempt of court for refusing to release this evidence. Is it true they are hiding behind the catch-aLL 'threat to national security cloak' ??? |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Any word on the 'Judicial Watch' Pentagon film front? |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Even the most 'fundermentalist official 9/11 narrative zealot' has to admit there are more questions than answers re. 9/11, like the question of how the 'Judicial Watch' freedom of information action against the US government/confiscated films of whatever made that small hole through three rings of the facility 9/11 is going? I'm no legal eagle but surely they are in contempt of court for refusing to release this evidence. Is it true they are hiding behind the catch-aLL 'threat to national security cloak' ??? |
Any link / info? Never heard of it. |
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Any word on the 'Judicial Watch' Pentagon film front? |
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| Alex_V wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Even the most 'fundermentalist official 9/11 narrative zealot' has to admit there are more questions than answers re. 9/11, like the question of how the 'Judicial Watch' freedom of information action against the US government/confiscated films of whatever made that small hole through three rings of the facility 9/11 is going? I'm no legal eagle but surely they are in contempt of court for refusing to release this evidence. Is it true they are hiding behind the catch-aLL 'threat to national security cloak' ??? |
Any link / info? Never heard of it. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Any word on the 'Judicial Watch' Pentagon film front? |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Even the most 'fundermentalist official 9/11 narrative zealot' has to admit there are more questions than answers re. 9/11, like the question of how the 'Judicial Watch' freedom of information action against the US government/confiscated films of whatever made that small hole through three rings of the facility 9/11 is going? I'm no legal eagle but surely they are in contempt of court for refusing to release this evidence. Is it true they are hiding behind the catch-aLL 'threat to national security cloak' ??? |
There are actually rather a lot of answers, but there are those who choose to bury their heads in the sand of conspiracy websites and refuse to see them. In this case, the videos were released 18 months ago, as looking at the Judicial Watch website would tell you. Here you are.
Of course this was one of the things that was going to be the smoking gun of 9/11 and prove all the conspiracists correct, but it was just another damp squib. Amazingly enough, the gas station cameras were trained inside the gas station, just as they usually are, and the hotel cameras were trained on its car park, not a distant building! |
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| Sorry I can't find the freeway camera footage of F77 B757 impacting and making that 16 ft hole through 3 rings the Pentagon and anyway US government refusal to divulge the salavaged component serial numbers of whatever hit the facility is clear guilty demeanour/cover up...to people with normal suspicion genes. |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Sorry I can't find the freeway camera footage of F77 B757 impacting and making that 16 ft hole through 3 rings the Pentagon and anyway US government refusal to divulge the salavaged component serial numbers of whatever hit the facility is clear guilty demeanour/cover up...to people with normal suspicion genes. |
Evidence that a freeway camera would have caught the incident?
Evidence that they refused to divulge pictures of certain components? Do you even know that such serial numbers COULD even exist on the wreckage as it was? |
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Ok so if it's a conspiracy...why don't the government just give you some faked numbers, change the records, whatever in order to shut you up? If it was a conspiracy they would surely do everything possible to not be suspicious....
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| NorthernSoul wrote: | | Ok so if it's a conspiracy...why don't the government just give you some faked numbers, change the records, whatever in order to shut you up? If it was a conspiracy they would surely do everything possible to not be suspicious.... |
you tell me, they'd have to square with boeing records AND pass stringent independent forensics to be of any use, agreed?
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but arnt these super evil neoconservative supreme overlord lizard people with psychic powers we're talking about?
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Sorry I can't find the freeway camera footage of F77 B757 impacting and making that 16 ft hole through 3 rings the Pentagon and anyway US government refusal to divulge the salavaged component serial numbers of whatever hit the facility is clear guilty demeanour/cover up...to people with normal suspicion genes. |
Ah, so now it's the freeway camera that's the smoking gun! And the serial numbers! And if they were provided it would be something else, of course. Sheriton Hotel, like so many others, is not a truth seeker, he is a seeker after anything that can be twisted or manipulated or lied about to support an evidence-free theory.
And of course it was not a 16 ft hole, and the Pentagon did not have three rings on the bottom two floors, but mere facts do not worry "people with normal suspicion genes". |
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| NorthernSoul wrote: | | but arnt these super evil neoconservative supreme overlord lizard people with psychic powers we're talking about? |
Northern R Soul more like  |
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Sorry I can't find the freeway camera footage of F77 B757 impacting and making that 16 ft hole through 3 rings the Pentagon and anyway US government refusal to divulge the salavaged component serial numbers of whatever hit the facility is clear guilty demeanour/cover up...to people with normal suspicion genes. |
Ah, so now it's the freeway camera that's the smoking gun! And the serial numbers! And if they were provided it would be something else, of course. Sheriton Hotel, like so many others, is not a truth seeker, he is a seeker after anything that can be twisted or manipulated or lied about to support an evidence-free theory.
And of course it was not a 16 ft hole, and the Pentagon did not have three rings on the bottom two floors, but mere facts do not worry "people with normal suspicion genes". |
90 ft like popular mechanics are on record testifying to?
Look, you are a proponent of whatever the official 911 narrative has been from day one , first they told us there were NO CCTV or photos of whatever making that tiny hole through 3 rings of the Pentagon 911 and Bushwacker believed it I presume...then when Meyssan started sniffing around they were forced to release 5 still frames with the wrong date and time on showing nothing conclusive and proving they had lied with their initial story and were unreliable witnesses, but this STILL didn't shake Bushwackers faith in their credibility...then Judicial watch demanded ALL the CCTV footage of whatever hitting the Pentagon 911 under FOI court order and they compromised releasing ONE blurry fish eyed lense film again showing nothing conclusive but claiming this was conclusive proof of F77 B757 hitting the pentagon 911 and Bushwaccker bought this, then so called CCTV evidence comes out in dribs and drabs and the 911 official story zealots that spam this forum somehow can find nothing suspicious in this obfuscation and feet dragging, I despair of you people. They could release the salvaged F77 component serial numbers for independent forensic examination and squaring with boeing service and manufacture records..but they won't!?! and , again, you people won't concede this is suspicious? this is just some of the evidence you people are forever saying we don't have. |
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Do you ever actually think about what you write? All you are saying is that the FBI said the videos they had did not show the plane hitting the Pentagon, and when they were finally released, by golly, they did not show the plane hitting the Pentagon!
Of course you can find anything suspicious if you try hard enough, Tony Gosling finds Paul McCartney's divorce suspicious, but that just shows something about Tony Gosling. One of the things I find suspicious about the inside job theory is that you always want it both ways, you want the perpetrators to be so clever that they can find a way of planting explosives all over enormous skyscrapers without anyone noticing, having invented explosives and detonators that can survive an aircraft impact and subsequent fire, they can imitate victims so perfectly that their nearest and dearest are completely fooled, they can take over and remotely control airliners, but they cannot put the right data on security photos, manage to photoshop pictures of flight 77 hitting the Pentagon or produce evidence of WMDs in a country under their military control. |
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Let me try this one on you...did the US authorities lie when they said there were NO photos or CCTV of whatever impacting the Pentagon 9/11 immediately post 9/11 YES OR NO? In my universe it's ALWAYS suspicious when a defendant changes his/her story.
That 'planting WMD' old chestnut always makes me laugh at the naivity of the people proposing it. There would be a lot more to it than planting a few crates of weapons somewhere in the Iraqi desert, those weapons after necessary forensic examination would have to reveal proof of Iraqi operative DNA and who those operatives were, if the evidence was contaminated by US GI prints and DNA those crates would be worthless as evidence. Additionally there would be the little matter of WMD serial numbers, reciepts from the western (likely) WMD suppliers, Iraqi maintenance records, service records for(cleaners ,tea ladies, kebab suppliers etc.) for the WMD silos up to the date of concealment, tax records for employees , redeployment of WMD forces etc. etc. please get real. This reminds me of a mainstream media report soon after the occupation from one of Saddam's alleged mass graves, they let, so called burka clad relatives in then whined about evidence being contaminated...then up pops one little Iraqi bod holding a shiny skull with an even shinier bullet demonstrating how this shiny bullet fitted into a bullet hole in the back of the shiny skull! I kid you not, our "free" media were trying to sell us this charade as proof of Saddam execution!
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Let me try this one on you...did the US authorities lie when they said there were NO photos or CCTV of whatever impacting the Pentagon 9/11 immediately post 9/11 YES OR NO? In my universe it's ALWAYS suspicious when a defendant changes his/her story. |
Do you have any quotes or links to times where they made that claim? And who made it? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just can't find any direct quotes. |
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| Alex_V wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Let me try this one on you...did the US authorities lie when they said there were NO photos or CCTV of whatever impacting the Pentagon 9/11 immediately post 9/11 YES OR NO? In my universe it's ALWAYS suspicious when a defendant changes his/her story. |
Do you have any quotes or links to times where they made that claim? And who made it? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just can't find any direct quotes. |
Are you taking the p!ss? look up 'rhetorical question' |
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| Hotel wrote: | | here would be a lot more to it than planting a few crates of weapons somewhere in the Iraqi desert, those weapons after necessary forensic examination would have to reveal proof of Iraqi operative DNA and who those operatives were, if the evidence was contaminated by US GI prints and DNA those crates would be worthless as evidence. Additionally there would be the little matter of WMD serial numbers, reciepts from the western (likely) WMD suppliers, Iraqi maintenance records, service records for(cleaners ,tea ladies, kebab suppliers etc.) for the WMD silos up to the date of concealment, tax records for employees , redeployment of WMD forces etc. etc. please get real. |
This is so stupid I am no longer going to reply to your posts. Utterly moronic. | Hotel wrote: | | This reminds me of a mainstream media report soon after the occupation from one of Saddam's alleged mass graves, they let, so called burka clad relatives in then whined about evidence being contaminated...then up pops one little Iraqi bod holding a shiny skull with an even shinier bullet demonstrating how this shiny bullet fitted into a bullet hole in the back of the shiny skull! I kid you not, our "free" media were trying to sell us this charade as proof of Saddam execution! |
And this is just odious.
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That 'planting WMD' old chestnut always makes me laugh at the naivity of the people proposing it. There would be a lot more to it than planting a few crates of weapons somewhere in the Iraqi desert, those weapons after necessary forensic examination would have to reveal proof of Iraqi operative DNA and who those operatives were, if the evidence was contaminated by US GI prints and DNA those crates would be worthless as evidence. Additionally there would be the little matter of WMD serial numbers, reciepts from the western (likely) WMD suppliers, Iraqi maintenance records, service records for(cleaners ,tea ladies, kebab suppliers etc.) for the WMD silos up to the date of concealment, tax records for employees , redeployment of WMD forces etc. etc. please get real. |
What truly, truly, pathetic twaddle!
You are seriously claiming that they would have to fake the tax records of Iraqi tea ladies in order to make WMDs convincing, and as they could not possibly do that, they were unable to fake WMDs? Some of you troofers really do seem to live in some sort of fantasy world. You are prepared to believe fantastic rubbish on the one hand, and strain at the smallest gnat on the other. Almost unbelievable. |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Alex_V wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Let me try this one on you...did the US authorities lie when they said there were NO photos or CCTV of whatever impacting the Pentagon 9/11 immediately post 9/11 YES OR NO? In my universe it's ALWAYS suspicious when a defendant changes his/her story. |
Do you have any quotes or links to times where they made that claim? And who made it? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just can't find any direct quotes. |
Are you taking the p!ss? look up 'rhetorical question' |
No, you are being asked to prove what you assert was said by the US authorities. Can you do that? |
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Oh dear! I think the truth hurts some people around here! I still think any planted WMD would have to be a great GREAT work of forgery to have any chance of fooling the lies weary British public,(perhaps not the American public tho') and Pepic from the square mile refuses to respond to anything "odious" little me posts here...boo-hoo! I still think we'd all die without 'get up and go' capitalists like him/her and if he/she ever comes to one of our truther meetings at the Counting House pub Bank I'll buy him/her a drink.
Why don't YOU post a link showing the US authorities admitted from day one there were copious CCTV images of whatever made that tiny hole through three rings of the Pentagon 9/11 Bushwacker? |
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| Bushwacker wrote: | Do you ever actually think about what you write? All you are saying is that the FBI said the videos they had did not show the plane hitting the Pentagon, and when they were finally released, by golly, they did not show the plane hitting the Pentagon!
Of course you can find anything suspicious if you try hard enough, Tony Gosling finds Paul McCartney's divorce suspicious, but that just shows something about Tony Gosling. One of the things I find suspicious about the inside job theory is that you always want it both ways, you want the perpetrators to be so clever that they can find a way of planting explosives all over enormous skyscrapers without anyone noticing, having invented explosives and detonators that can survive an aircraft impact and subsequent fire, they can imitate victims so perfectly that their nearest and dearest are completely fooled, they can take over and remotely control airliners, but they cannot put the right data on security photos, manage to photoshop pictures of flight 77 hitting the Pentagon or produce evidence of WMDs in a country under their military control. |
all true: and the most obvious point is this--if indeed, 9/11 was an 'inside job' and the hijackers either patsies or non-existent, why, exactly, did the perpetrators not arrange for either fake passports and/or patsies with the following nationalities: Iraqi, Afghan, Palestinian, with maybe the odd Libyan/Algerian for good measure? Why have a majority of patsies being Saudis (either real or imaginary) if the purpose was, as implied, to invade Afghanistan/Iraq. Why on earth would the 'perps' want to draw attention to the Bush dynasty/Saudi connections from the outset, a predictable problem magnified by the fact the only flight leaving US skies post-9/11 carried prominent Saudis out? Not just not very clever, but utterly implausible: in the 'real world' (as opposed to on here) I've never come across anybody sympathetic to the 9/11 cult who has a vaguely credible answer to this one. But I throw the question open to assorted believers: how can you explain the (supposed) nationalities of the hijackers fitting the (alleged) 'inside job' motive for 9/11? I'll not hold my breath....
www.911cultwatch.org.uk
PS interesting that no matter how many postings so-called 'Truth Critics' make here, their/our pencils never get coloured in. The modern equivalent of the prayers of the excommunicated not being heard in heaven. How wonderfully....medieval (again) |
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| Isn't it more plausible that Saudis would get quickie US visas? just a thought. |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | Oh dear! I think the truth hurts some people around here! I still think any planted WMD would have to be a great GREAT work of forgery to have any chance of fooling the lies weary British public,(perhaps not the American public tho') and Pepic from the square mile refuses to respond to anything "odious" little me posts here...boo-hoo! I still think we'd all die without 'get up and go' capitalists like him/her and if he/she ever comes to one of our truther meetings at the Counting House pub Bank I'll buy him/her a drink.
Why don't YOU post a link showing the US authorities admitted from day one there were copious CCTV images of whatever made that tiny hole through three rings of the Pentagon 9/11 Bushwacker? |
I think the truth that hurts here is that after over six years of trying you have no evidence whatsoever that 9/11 was an inside job, not one jot. AND the theories that have been produced are either ludicrous, like no planes, or utterly implausible, like demolition using explosives with properties that have not yet been invented. AND two of the foremost leaders of your movement both think they are the Messiah.
You still think three rings of the Pentagon were penetrated, I see. Never mind, cultists can believe what they like, I suppose. |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Isn't it more plausible that Saudis would get quickie US visas? just a thought. |
Yes, a laughably pathetic thought!
Inside NWO HQ:
"We need these fake hijackers to be Iraqis, so we can invade Iraq"
"Yes, but someone might think it odd that Iraqis could get visas"
"Good thought, we'll make them citizens of a major Middle-East ally of ours instead, no one will think it odd if Saudis have visas"
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"Whoops, we forgot we needed an excuse to invade Iraq!"
"Can't we invade Saudi instead?"
"No, they never upset Pappy, we'll think of another excuse eventually" |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Isn't it more plausible that Saudis would get quickie US visas? just a thought. |
an irrelevant one: I still want an even half-credible answer to the question. |
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Alex_V wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Let me try this one on you...did the US authorities lie when they said there were NO photos or CCTV of whatever impacting the Pentagon 9/11 immediately post 9/11 YES OR NO? In my universe it's ALWAYS suspicious when a defendant changes his/her story. |
Do you have any quotes or links to times where they made that claim? And who made it? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just can't find any direct quotes. |
Are you taking the p!ss? look up 'rhetorical question' |
No, you are being asked to prove what you assert was said by the US authorities. Can you do that? |
http://web.archive.org/web/20010921200613/www.washtimes.com/national/2 0010921-90259475.htm
| Quote: | Video of attack
The electronic news media have broadcast repeatedly the attack on the World Trade Center. They are perhaps the most dramatic news images since the explosion of the first atomic bomb over Hiroshima.
Now word has reached us that federal investigators may have video footage of the deadly terrorist attack on the Pentagon.
A security camera atop a hotel close to the Pentagon may have captured dramatic footage of the hijacked Boeing 757 airliner as it slammed into the western wall of the Pentagon. Hotel employees sat watching the film in shock and horror several times before the FBI confiscated the video as part of its investigation.
It may be the only available video of the attack. The Pentagon has told broadcast news reporters that its security cameras did not capture the crash.
The attack occurred close to the Pentagon's heliport, an area that normally would be under 24-hour security surveillance, including video monitoring. |
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| KP50 wrote: | | http://web.archive.org/web/20010921200613/www.washtimes.com/national/2 0010921-90259475.htm |
No direct quotes. That's the only reference I could find when I looked as well. I don't think it's enough to build a case that authorities lied about the security footage. |
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | Oh dear! I think the truth hurts some people around here! I still think any planted WMD would have to be a great GREAT work of forgery to have any chance of fooling the lies weary British public,(perhaps not the American public tho') and Pepic from the square mile refuses to respond to anything "odious" little me posts here...boo-hoo! I still think we'd all die without 'get up and go' capitalists like him/her and if he/she ever comes to one of our truther meetings at the Counting House pub Bank I'll buy him/her a drink.
Why don't YOU post a link showing the US authorities admitted from day one there were copious CCTV images of whatever made that tiny hole through three rings of the Pentagon 9/11 Bushwacker? |
I think the truth that hurts here is that after over six years of trying you have no evidence whatsoever that 9/11 was an inside job, not one jot. AND the theories that have been produced are either ludicrous, like no planes, or utterly implausible, like demolition using explosives with properties that have not yet been invented. AND two of the foremost leaders of your movement both think they are the Messiah.
You still think three rings of the Pentagon were penetrated, I see. Never mind, cultists can believe what they like, I suppose. |
You're a bit of a cult yourself BW and as usual you play the man and not the ball, classic inside job denyer MO! I understand one of the biggest proponents of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory believes an elderly male white bearded corcasion who lives on a cloud paid him a divine visitation at the whitehouse and instructed him to invade Iraq and depose Saddam, am I right?
Tell me,did you not think it odd that two buildings being hit by commercial jets (buildings designed to take commercial jet impacts) should result in a complete complex of seven buildings either collapsing CD style or being totally gutted by fire when buildings in the surrounding area remained sound and only suffering one small fire that as quickly doused by the NYFD and classic explosives characteristic window blow-outs? added to this you have the phenomenon of molten steel in four of the buildings basements several weeks post 9/11? where did the energy for this molten steel come from?it had to come from somewhere, laws of physic! or are you in denial it ever occurred?
Is it not a fact all the 9/11 plane evidence salvaged component serial numbers is now classified information? How many rings of the pentagon were penetrated? please correct me.
I think Saudis are more likely to get quickie US visas than Iranians for example, don't you? |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | Oh dear! I think the truth hurts some people around here! I still think any planted WMD would have to be a great GREAT work of forgery to have any chance of fooling the lies weary British public,(perhaps not the American public tho') and Pepic from the square mile refuses to respond to anything "odious" little me posts here...boo-hoo! I still think we'd all die without 'get up and go' capitalists like him/her and if he/she ever comes to one of our truther meetings at the Counting House pub Bank I'll buy him/her a drink.
Why don't YOU post a link showing the US authorities admitted from day one there were copious CCTV images of whatever made that tiny hole through three rings of the Pentagon 9/11 Bushwacker? |
I think the truth that hurts here is that after over six years of trying you have no evidence whatsoever that 9/11 was an inside job, not one jot. AND the theories that have been produced are either ludicrous, like no planes, or utterly implausible, like demolition using explosives with properties that have not yet been invented. AND two of the foremost leaders of your movement both think they are the Messiah.
You still think three rings of the Pentagon were penetrated, I see. Never mind, cultists can believe what they like, I suppose. |
You're a bit of a cult yourself BW and as usual you play the man and not the ball, classic inside job denyer MO! I understand one of the biggest proponents of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory believes an elderly male white bearded corcasion who lives on a cloud paid him a divine visitation at the whitehouse and instructed him to invade Iraq and depose Saddam, am I right?
Tell me,did you not think it odd that two buildings being hit by commercial jets (buildings designed to take commercial jet impacts) should result in a complete complex of seven buildings either collapsing CD style or being totally gutted by fire when buildings in the surrounding area remained sound and only suffering one small fire that as quickly doused by the NYFD and classic explosives characteristic window blow-outs? added to this you have the phenomenon of molten steel in four of the buildings basements several weeks post 9/11? where did the energy for this molten steel come from?it had to come from somewhere, laws of physic! or are you in denial it ever occurred?
Is it not a fact all the 9/11 plane evidence salvaged component serial numbers is now classified information? How many rings of the pentagon were penetrated? please correct me.
I think Saudis are more likely to get quickie US visas than Iranians for example, don't you? |
Who knows what the idiot George Bush believes? He is by far the worst President in US history, but that does not mean he is guilty of causing 9/11.
The twin towers did of course survive the impact of the jets, as they were designed to do, it was the fires that followed, combined with that damage that brought them down, even you know that. Similarly, WTC was badly damaged by falling debris, and then burnt unattended for seven hours before finally collapsing, as it was expected to do by the FDNY and others. So I do not find that surprising, not do I find it surprising that the other buildings of the complex that had 110 storey buildings collapsing next to them were also destroyed.
No one has shown that there was any molten steel in any basement, let alone four. There are some stories about molten metal, but all the aluminium cladding and plane materials, and all the lead from stand-by batteries would melt long before any steel, so if there was molten metal, it is more likely to be that. Molten metal is not a feature of normal controlled demolition anyway, and if magically sideways acting thermite was used as well as as explosives, there is no reason for it to keep hot. fires in the debris pile explain high temperatures far better, another thing that actually has been said here many times.
Serial numbers of plane components have not been released, what would it prove if they were, and matched to Boeing's records? Troofers would simply say they were faked.
One ring of the Pentagon was penetrated, the rings were continuous on the first two floors.
Your argument over the availability of visas is unbelievably pathetic even by troofer standards, are you really saying that an Iraqi claiming to be a refugee from Saddam, like Chalabi, would have been unable to get into the States? Any perpetrators could even have claimed they came over the Mexican border, like thousands of others, and given themselves to tighten up there. |
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SHERITON HOTEL
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WTC all 7 buildings totally destroyed
Rest of surrounding Manhatten zero
BW may claim to see nothing odd in this scoreline but it sure as eggs stumps me! defies logic
BW and the rest of the official story fundermentalist zealots believe the only 9/11 truth is found in the editorials of Philip Zelikow and anyone who deviates from these tenets to any degree is mentally ill so why do they come here day after week after month after year? You wouldn't go to a mental home and try and forensically prove to some unfortunate that he was not Napoleon as he delusionally believed ad infinitum, that would call into question your own sanity.
The claim US military authorities initially announced there were no photos or CCTV of whatever piercing three rings of the Pentagon comes from Eric Huffschmid (among others) perhaps the US military authorities will sue if this claim is untrue, "let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories"
Today has been an education, I was being ironic when I said the critics really believed that that laughable OBL "9/11? I dunnit" home video he carelessly left out for his old pals in the CIA was genuine, it appears to a person they do!. I wonder what their spin on all that US military grade anthrax is!!! |
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