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SHERITON HOTEL
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 Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Did General Myers REALLY earn that promotion after 9/11? |
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I expect this has been debated here before so I'm anticipating some per-etty good stock answers/rationalisations for this apparent Bush regime rewarding incompetence from the 'cweetics'!
(I used to be a 'validated poster', was it something I said?)
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Did General Myers REALLY earn that promotion after 9/11? |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | I expect this has been debated here before so I'm expecting some per-etty good stock answers/rationalisations for this apparent Bush regime rewarding incompetence from the 'cweetics'!
(I used to be a 'validated poster', was it something I said?) |
How was Myers incompetent? |
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You find it strange that the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs was promoted to chairman after his predecessors retirement?
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SHERITON HOTEL
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General Myers responsible for US air security on and before 9/11 certainly did a good job...for the neocon venial world agenda!
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The world is far more complicated than you think Sheriton. Some critics don't like Bush.
Now back into the hole you go, we know you can't handle the light inside critics corner.
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NorthernSoul
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | General Myers responsible for US air security on and before 9/11 certainly did a good job...for the neocon venial world agenda!
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So what you're saying is...and let me get this right:
Myers did a great job at helping the forces of evil to orchestrate the 9/11 conspiracy, which proves he helped the forces of evil to orchestrate the 9/11 conspiracy, proving that there was a conspiracy?
It is true that Myers' military career has focused on air defence, however, from 1998 to 2000 his role was not actively related to aircraft but rather ballistic missiles before becoming Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff, prior to '98 he had had roles commanding airforce bases in America and Japan, but to my knowledge he was never solely responsible for American airspace.
To say he was responsible for U.S. air security is a massive distortion.
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| pepik wrote: | The world is far more complicated than you think Sheriton. Some critics don't like Bush.
Now back into the hole you go, we know you can't handle the light inside critics corner. |
...er... because some critics don't like Bush...General Myers, responsible for US air security on and before 9/11... was promoted??? sorry, you'll have to shed some "light" on that one for me,me good mate! |
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| NorthernSoul wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | General Myers responsible for US air security on and before 9/11 certainly did a good job...for the neocon venial world agenda!
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So what you're saying is...and let me get this right:
Myers did a great job at helping the forces of evil to orchestrate the 9/11 conspiracy, which proves he helped the forces of evil to orchestrate the 9/11 conspiracy, proving that there was a conspiracy?
It is true that Myers' military career has focused on air defence, however, from 1998 to 2000 his role was not actively related to aircraft but rather ballistic missiles before becoming Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff, prior to '98 he had had roles commanding airforce bases in America and Japan, but to my knowledge he was never solely responsible for American airspace.
To say he was responsible for U.S. air security is a massive distortion.
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you are VERY well informed, perhaps you can give us the complete list of accountability sackings and demotions in the US security hierarchy post the 9/11 debacle? (sssch everyone!)
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To my knowledge, there were none...though what that proves I don't know.
It is an interesting phenomenon of Trutherism, that when something they say is demonstrated to be a lie, they ignore it and move on to their next misrepresentation.
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| NorthernSoul wrote: | To my knowledge, there were none...though what that proves I don't know.
It is an interesting phenomenon of Trutherism, that when something they say is demonstrated to be a lie, they ignore it and move on to their next misrepresentation. |
In the universe I inhabit, incompetence DOES NOT earn promtions,but not in your universe it seems? I understand the person responsible for air security the day a light aircraft landed in red square Moscow was sacked ...or worse! and he had NO hint of forewarning!!
I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth, where did I say Myers was "solely " resonsible for US air security 9/11?
No-one, you nor me, except the 9/11 guilty, knows the definitive 9/11 truth, they refuse to have a proper enquiry or release all the evidence, are you not concerned it may transpire you have been an apologist for mass murdering treasonous criminals? |
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How was Myers incompetent, please elaborate...
You said that Myers was responsible for U.S. air security prior to 9/11, which was a massive distortion that I picked you up on. What you said could be misconceived by people reading it, I made sure the distortion was shown.
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | In the universe I inhabit, incompetence DOES NOT earn promtions,but not in your universe it seems? I understand the person responsible for air security the day a light aircraft landed in red square Moscow was sacked ...or worse! and he had NO hint of forewarning!!
I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth, where did I say Myers was "solely " resonsible for US air security 9/11?
No-one, you nor me, except the 9/11 guilty, knows the definitive 9/11 truth, they refuse to have a proper enquiry or release all the evidence, are you not concerned it may transpire you have been an apologist for mass murdering treasonous criminals? |
What evidence haven't they released? They would argue that they have had a proper enquiry.
I take your point that responsibility alone is often enough to see someone take the blame. However, in the case of 9/11 I think there would have been a danger that by simply sacking people you create scapegoats and actually duck issues that come out of the situation.
I repeat, how was Myers incompetent? |
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| NorthernSoul wrote: | How was Myers incompetent, please elaborate...
9/11 was a US military victory? ...a victory for the new pearl harbour PNAC-ers maybe.wwe woul never have known about the level of forewarning if it were not for the 911 familiy steering cmmt forcing the Zelikow enquiry, am I right?
You said that Myers was responsible for U.S. air security prior to 9/11, which was a massive distortion that I picked you up on. What you said could be misconceived by people reading it, I made sure the distortion was shown. |
"SOLELY"? your word not mine |
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Indeed, because that is how it could have been misconstrued, though you never said it, it was very much implied.
How was Myers Incompetent?
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| Quote: | | ...er... because some critics don't like Bush...General Myers, responsible for US air security on and before 9/11... was promoted??? sorry, you'll have to shed some "light" on that one for me,me good mate! |
Simple. People should have lost their jobs, however I am not astonished that they didn't.
Now why is this important? Have you realised 911 truth is a load of rubbish and now you want to make sure the country is properly defended against the real al queda terrorists who really exist and really attacked us on 911?
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| pepik wrote: | | Quote: | | ...er... because some critics don't like Bush...General Myers, responsible for US air security on and before 9/11... was promoted??? sorry, you'll have to shed some "light" on that one for me,me good mate! |
Simple. People should have lost their jobs, however I am not astonished that they didn't.
Now why is this important? Have you realised 911 truth is a load of rubbish and now you want to make sure the country is properly defended against the real al queda terrorists who really exist and really attacked us on 911? |
THE SQUARE MILE ?!...great honour sir, curtsey(as per usual)I'm not worthy!
"911 truth a load of rubbish"? in the world I inhabit the rewarding by promotion of a person who fails in his job registers on my 'suspicion radar ' and equally yours but it doesn't suggest US government complicity to you,perhaps his failure deserved promotion as it was commensurate with the master plan? it's yet another 911 anomoly, like the zelikow 911 ministry of truth telling us it's of no importance who financed "the attacks" and gave the orders. we would never have known about these failures if it were not for the 911 families forcing the Bush regime kicking and screaming to have the Zelikow commission in the first place. |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | NorthernSoul wrote: | How was Myers incompetent, please elaborate...
9/11 was a US military victory? ...a victory for the new pearl harbour PNAC-ers maybe.wwe woul never have known about the level of forewarning if it were not for the 911 familiy steering cmmt forcing the Zelikow enquiry, am I right?
You said that Myers was responsible for U.S. air security prior to 9/11, which was a massive distortion that I picked you up on. What you said could be misconceived by people reading it, I made sure the distortion was shown. |
"SOLELY"? your word not mine |
Why was Myers was incompetent? can you not read? it's in the box above. |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | NorthernSoul wrote: | To my knowledge, there were none...though what that proves I don't know.
It is an interesting phenomenon of Trutherism, that when something they say is demonstrated to be a lie, they ignore it and move on to their next misrepresentation. |
In the universe I inhabit, incompetence DOES NOT earn promtions...
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Then you need to get out more.
"Promotion" is a routine way to get incompetent people out of important jobs (where they can screw up mightily) into seemingly more important jobs where there's less chance of b#ggering real things up.
The alternative of firing them just makes everybody look bad.
Promoting the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry "up" to Deputy P.M. would be an example. It's routine politics.
Whether or not this applies to Myers, I have no idea. |
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| sam wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | NorthernSoul wrote: | To my knowledge, there were none...though what that proves I don't know.
It is an interesting phenomenon of Trutherism, that when something they say is demonstrated to be a lie, they ignore it and move on to their next misrepresentation. |
In the universe I inhabit, incompetence DOES NOT earn promtions...
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Then you need to get out more.
"Promotion" is a routine way to get incompetent people out of important jobs (where they can screw up mightily) into seemingly more important jobs where there's less chance of b#ggering real things up.
The alternative of firing them just makes everybody look bad.
Promoting the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry "up" to Deputy P.M. would be an example. It's routine politics.
Whether or not this applies to Myers, I have no idea. |
there's me thinking idiots got sacked tsk what a meritocratic plonker i am! |
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| Gen Myers had already been nominated as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs prior to 9/11, in fact he attended confirmation hearings at the Senate on 13/11. From the transcript of those hearings, he gave a rather poor impression of his knowledge of the military response on 9/11, bumbling and ignorant of details. Had he been part of a conspiracy, he would have had some warning and been able to get his story into much better shape. |
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Keep in mind also the CJCS's role is not an operational one but is to strategically coordinate efforts between the armed forces,
This is just another example of Truthers using hatever they can to try to prove there argument.
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| So is the concensus... truthers and critics alike find it odd and irregular that Myers was promoted after the 9/11 gross security failure ? |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | So is the concensus... truthers and critics alike find it odd and irregular that Myers was promoted after the 9/11 gross security failure ? |
I think that description would grossly misrepresent the responses on this thread.
The more I have read around the subject, the less convinced I am that there was any gross security failure on Sept 11th. Obviously the incidents weren't prevented so it was obviously a failure in those terms, but I think any damning criticism of the systems in place at the time could be a case of applying hindsight to history. |
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| Alex_V wrote: | | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | So is the concensus... truthers and critics alike find it odd and irregular that Myers was promoted after the 9/11 gross security failure ? |
I think that description would grossly misrepresent the responses on this thread.
The more I have read around the subject, the less convinced I am that there was any gross security failure on Sept 11th. Obviously the incidents weren't prevented so it was obviously a failure in those terms, but I think any damning criticism of the systems in place at the time could be a case of applying hindsight to history. |
...THIS is a joke, right? |
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No, not a joke.
I'm still not sure why you believe General Myers was complacent or incompetent, what he did or did not do to make you come to that conclusion...
I suspect your just echoing some Truther website and don't actually know yourself.
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| 9/11 was NOT (sic) a gross security failure! you heard it here first folks! Northern Soul speaks for AlexV? are they the same person? |
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Darn, you truthers caught me again, thats right me and Alex V are the same Super Secret Agent!
9/11 was a security failure I agree, what I don't understand is how that security failure can be blamed on Myers, what specific failures are you accusing him of?
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| NorthernSoul wrote: | Darn, you truthers caught me again, thats right me and Alex V are the same Super Secret Agent!
9/11 was a security failure I agree, what I don't understand is how that security failure can be blamed on Myers, what specific failures are you accusing him of? |
are you suggesting myers held no responsibility for the security of his country on 9/11? or are you suggesting if anybody fails to do their job properly then nobodys to blame?
secertary mistypes letters - gets sacked
car mechanic messes up a expensive engine - gets sacked
cleaner dos'nt do their job properly - gets sacked
bill clinton recieves oral pleasure - gets impeached and loses his job
etc etc.
everyone in charge of security on 9/11 fail to even intercept one plane, even though the whole world knew at 9.03 am that america was under attack and it was starting to be reported that it is very likely a terrorist attack almost instantly after the second strike, somehow those in charge of defending were the last to click on, the errors result in many deaths - nobodys to blame.
that may be the case, but it certainly dos'nt seem right to me. |
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| You're banging your head against a steel reinforced concrete limestone brick wall Marky54, remember these people think that that OBL "911? I dunnit" home video he carelessly left out for his old CIA buddies December 01 was actually 'kosher'!! they confound their stoopidity by saying things like...afghan video played on US format players made him look 40lbs heavier and Afro-Carribean. |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | You're banging your head against a steel reinforced concrete limestone brick wall Marky54, remember these people think that that OBL "911? I dunnit" home video he carelessly left out for his old CIA buddies December 01 was actually 'kosher'!! they confound their stoopidity by saying things like...afghan video played on US format players made him look 40lbs heavier and Afro-Carribean. |
Oh dear...your still claiming it wasn't Bin Laden, it seems the UK truthers are somewhat behind the times...
Marky 54, I think that you are aware I was saying neither of those things. What I am saying is that I don't see how you can post very much blame on to General Myers as an individual at all.
I still await somebody to tell me what you are claiming Myers did wrong...
Lets make a few things clear to those who don't actually understand who General Myers is and are quoting (badly) what they have heard from some conspiracy source.
Myers was acting CJCS on 9/11 in the absence of the CJCS who was on a plane (because he didn't get the NWO memo I assume) normally, Myers was the Vice Chairman. The role of the Chairman, and Vice Chairman, is not to dish out orders to the air force, or NORAD, though they are the highest ranking officers in the US military their mandate is strictly strategical, long-term, and is to manage interaction between the different armed forces. For those who are unclear, the CJCS has NO direct control over operational decisions, NORAD, the FAA or the U.S. Air force, it should also be understood that Myers was in the role for one day, until his predecessors retirement. Now, what do you think Myers should or could have done on 9/11? I don't expect you to answer, to answer that you'd have to know what you were talking about.
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