Sat-29Mar08: UKIP Conference MORECAMBE

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:13 am Post subject:

Since when has the 911 Forum been supporting UKIP? Yet this propagandist who calls himself Pikey has done just that.

Is this forum a supporter of an organisation associated with the National Front? Please, Tony Gosling, remove this offending article from the Calendar. What the reactionary Pikey wishes to say in the Forum is his business. But please not on the 911 Calendar!

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/cal_lite.php?id=620&mode=display&sid =7e09ad4eb59c1bcc90ee6436706de628

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject:

Now that the time has come when both the administratorship and web-hosting of the 911 Truth site is up for reorganization I would make a request to all those responsible for that reorganization that a future 911 Forum has a clear disaffiliation from all political parties so that things like the 7-Day Calendar are not used for advertising party conferences such as the UKIP one in Morecambe.

For if it is the case that the vocal UKIP-supporting clique that exists on this Forum are to be allowed to take it over via the back door than I will have nothing to do with it and will do everything I can to let the Internet world know what has happened. I am sure there are many other Forum readers who would feel the same.

I sincerely hope that such a situation will never come about. But one thing is clear: this forum does not officially support UKIP or any other political party and should remain so. Hence it is intolerable that the 911 Forum Calendar should be used for pro-UKIP attendance of UKIP Party Conferences.

Mick Meaney · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject:

You've got a fair point there about UKIP but I'd like to give Pikey the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just naive. I'm far from pro Europe but I agree the forum should not promote any political party.

Not wishing to step on Tony's editorial toes it's his call albeit one that I second and would like him to consider.

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject:

Thank you for your comments, Mick. It's one thing to use this Forum to air one's political views. And I think anything is tolerated here bar any overtly racist views.

I am well aware that there is a vocal group here present that use every opportunity they get to broadcast their anti-EU or anti-European views. I am also aware that, as usual on the Net, there is a much greater audience who read but never, if ever, publish their own views ... lurkers, as they are known.

I am in a minority here in constantly espousing pro-European views. Anyone who reads my blog, CHIMES OF FREEDOM, will know that I make no secret that Chimes is both a Eurosocialist and Antifascist blog. Ever since the 'sixties I have been a supporter both of a united, confederated Europe. Nothing has changed.

What has changed during that time is a sea-change in the capitalist world, from what was called liberal democracy to 'neo-liberalism' or monetarist globalism. With every other capitalist organisation, the European Union has seen this change as well.

I have some experience of working with both the European Parliament and Commission as well as the Council of Europe in the 'nineties as an environmental lobbyist. In those days I worked closely with the Greens in the European Parliament so I can claim to have gained some first-hand experience of the way the then EC institutions worked.

As a result of this I soon learnt that the EU is not the monolith it is commonly presented as by the Europhobes. They tar all things European with the same brush as did the CIA with the old Soviet Union and the infamous 'Red Menace'. It's a form of bigoted propaganda which, once exposed to reality, soon withers.

Justin Walker (anti EU) has innocently just quoted a link elsewhere where the CIA sympathiser, Vladimir Bukovsky, actually uses this kind of McCarthyite tactic against the EU!

No group of humans is a monolith, not the EU, not the old Soviet Union, not the so-called United Kingdom, no group.

Yet this is not what the Europhobes would have us believe. Why? Because they come from a place of prejudice and arrogance, believing somehow in the myth of the 'Freeborn Englishman' and empty freedoms. When asked what freedoms they have lost by being in the EU they cannot give an answer. When asked what option they would offer to withdrawal from the EU, they have no answer.

Instead they go on about the dangers of a federated EU. What dangers? What could be worse than the imperialist set-up which still prevails in the 'UK' where we are all subjects of a (German) Queen? Where she, as the head of state, with her racist consort, the (Greek) Philip, remains above the law as witness their immunity from having to give evidence at the Diana Inquest?

No, these Europhobes are bigoted whingers, still believing deep down in the superiority of their Englishness. While whingeing on about 'Europe' they stay silent about the real threats to our freedoms from Atlanticism and Trilateralism and from British politicians who, quite unaided, have gone about creating their own police state.

I for one would be quite happy to see a confederated states of Europe where, as a Scots, I would anticipate far more freedom than this country has ever got from that imperialist bunch of school-boys in the Westminster club.

As for the 911 Forum, if it is to be a UKIP affiliate then its organisers should have the courage to say as much in public. Otherwise it should observe a strict impartiality where party politics are concerned. Tony should remove that UKIP blurb without any further ado. Not to do so will mean that he is not impartial and supports their political platform.

Rory Winter · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject:

Seeing as the Forum 7-Day Calendar has been used in the past to advertise party conferences in order that 911 Truthers can go and lobby them can I suggest that Pikey and the Europhobe crowd do the same and lobby UKIP support for the 911 cause?

They'd soon be shown the door if they did!

Pikey · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject:

OK Rory you've had a good rant.

For the record I'm not affiliated to any political party nor do I purposely promote any political party.

The UK 911 truth campaign has lobbied all MPs with 911 truth info and all the main political party conferences Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative and the Greens. So far there have been no major breakthroughs but thats no reason to discourage others to continue trying.........its after all a process of education, education, education, getting folk to take a step out of the matrix in their mind conditioned state and waking them up...............................everyones gotta learn sometime!

As far I know a UKIP conference has never been attended by UK 911 truth activisits. With a conference title of "Challenging the status quo" and with a NO2ID speaker there I thought that it looked promising and was worthy of bringing to the attention of the 911 truth community. But of course I'm just naive and reactionary Shocked

As regards your pro EU position imo I'd suggest you do some open minded research and especially check out the links that I have seen Justin provide you with.

Perhaps you could make it to New Horizons (St Annes near Blackpool) on 7th April for the Brian Gerrish presentation and we could have a civilised discussion in our pursuit of truthseeking if thats your perogative.

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=112741&highlight=#11 2741

Rory Winter · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject:

paul wright · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject:

Well, the UKIP candidate standing in the next local election at the nearest consituency to me is fully supportive of the aims of the West Yorks Campaign, aware of all the relevant research on 9/11, 7/7 and so on, is a local organiser for NO2ID and aware of the microchip agenda.
He says he is far from alone within UKIP so my guess is that you would get a fairly good response from the UKIP conference attenders
He regards the EU superstate as a step on the road to a one world fascist government.
Brian Gerrish is ex-UKIP, I believe, and has done good work on the infiltration of the British Establishment substrata by EU funded "graduates" out of Common Purpose.
If you don't think the EU is a totalitarian monolith, then I suggest you read the mandatory provisions of the Codex Alimentaris designed for enforcement in 2009, Rory.
Also consider how Scotland is strengthened when the majority of it is regarded as an EU Region joined up with most of eastern England and bits of Holland, Denmark Germany and Scandanavia, while another part of Scotland becomes an EU Region along with Western England,bits of France, Spain and Portugal. Good for Scotland's independence and sense of identity? I don't see it myself
I agree that political party conferences shouldn't be advertised in the calendar section as a matter of principle, and I don't support UKIP as a party by any means, but I think you need to update your paradigm a bit, Rory, and see what's really going on

Pikey · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject:

Thanx for your usual positive and honest input Paul.

I wont be attending the UKIP conference as it clashes with the Probe conference and I dont wish to contribute £10 to UKIP funds.

It could have been an opportunity though for the UK 911 truth political co-ordination campaign management team.

I look forward to the Brian Gerrish presentation at New Horizons St Annes.

Rory Winter · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject:

Rory Winter · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject:

paul wright · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:11 am Post subject:

There's no phobia here,Rory. It's not a fear.It's a realisation isn't it?
This is an understanding of the manipulation?

Rory Winter · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject:

Justin · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject:

Rory Winter · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:22 am Post subject:

Rory Winter · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Arc Manche

To continue from above, your 'King Priam' replies:

Pikey · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:29 am Post subject:

Rory I can see exactly were Justin is coming from, because like Justin I've read most of David Ickes books.

If you really wish to understand his POV you will have to read one of Davids books with an open mind.

Just trying to help comrade and not be confrontational

Peace & truth

paul wright · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:45 am Post subject:

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:07 am Post subject:

But Pikey, all that stuff about the Arc Manche is so much nonsense. It's about the promotion of trade, business and tourism.

It's very disturbing to see Icke giving lectures to anti-gun control and similar reactionary groups in the USA. It has been suggested that he was influenced by Jerry Falwell & the Fundamentalists who were pushing the NWO stuff before Icke.

If I were in his boots I wouldn't touch these US reactionary groups with a bargepole. But they pay him good money and he obliges.

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:15 am Post subject:

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