Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 216 Location: West Sussex
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: Coming Soon - The End Of Britain!
It's the end of Britain as we know it
'You might want to take that vacation in England just as soon as you can - before its 1,000-year run as a sovereign nation comes to an end. This winter, 27 nations of the European Union (EU) signed the Treaty of Lisbon. You may think, "Innocuous enough", as Portuguese-inspired visions of the Tagus River and chicken piri-piri swirl before your eyes.
But for England (Britain, actually) the Treaty of Lisbon isn't that appetising. That's because, if ratified, it will become the decisive act in this creation of a federal European superstate with its capital in Brussels. Britain would become a province and its "Mother of Parliaments" a regional assembly. And that's no small humiliation for a country that gave the world English and saved Western civilisation in the Battle of Britain in 1940.'
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 1107 Location: Free Scotland!
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject:
Well, Marndin, I say Hooray to the end of the old, feudal/imperialist setup that Britain came from and Hooray to the re-drawing of borders in a federal Europe. I don't feel the nostalgia that you clearly have for the English language which, in any case, is a world language with countless dialects, some of which would be unintelligible to you and me, including some in North America.
As for sovereignty, this has been a much-discussed topic elsewhere on this Forum & I would suggest you take some time to read the threads. As a European federalist I can see no threat to us from a federal union of the kind which many other countries in the world have had for centuries, Canada, USA, Australia, Malaysia, West Indies, Switzerland to name but a few.
The world keeps changing. The UK will change too as demands for Scottish independence builds momentum. Nothing ever remains static. Not even national borders or cultures. That's the story of humanity.
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject:
Rory wrote
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The world keeps changing. The UK will change too as demands for Scottish independence builds momentum. Nothing ever remains static. Not even national borders or cultures. That's the story of humanity.
And how will Scottish Independance be achieved? By war? by dictate? by the wishes of the Scots? by the ballot box?
I would like at least to be able to have a vote as to whether or not I want to become a State of Europe rather than an independant Sovereign Country with its own monetary sytem, laws etc etc. Yes things do change but is it right the way the US UK and others are changing the Middle East?. Was it right for UK to resist the Nazis as they tried to bring about their idea of a united Europe?
I would like to think we have moved in somewhat of a slightly more civilised manner by resolving things in a democratic manner rather than having the political ideologies of a few forced upon us. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject:
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Yes things do change but is it right the way the US UK and others are changing the Middle East?. Was it right for UK to resist the Nazis as they tried to bring about their idea of a united Europe?
Erm, have you read anything I've said here before on the USUK in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Hitler wasn't interested in a United Europe. He simply wanted Nazi domination in what he called a Grossdeutsches Reich, a greater German Reich. This attempt of the Europhobes to confuse Hitler's Grossdeutschesreich with European union is meant as another tactic to mislead and scare folk.
Once analysed it proves to be utter nonsense. And 'their idea' idea the operative phrase. 'Their idea' and the idea of we federalists are two entirely different things. Anyone who reads my views for the need of a popular campaign calling for the strengthening of the European Parliament will know that I am calling for revolution, both in Europe and across the world. Either we destroy capitalism or it will destroy us.
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And how will Scottish Independance be achieved?
It is being achieved through the ballot-box and through the Scottish Parliament where the Scottish National Party is already in government and whose support is increasing throughout Scotland. As the Westminster lot disgrace themselves more & more, so support for Scottish independence is growing.
I would like to think we have moved in somewhat of a slightly more civilised manner by resolving things in a democratic manner rather than having the political ideologies of a few forced upon us
Agreed. Please read this thread and my comments therein:
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject:
Rory - the centralisation of power that the corporate controlled EU is bringing will create a more totalitarian climate where False Flag attacks and gestapo type police can become commonplace - this massive centralisation of power goes hand in hand with globalisation and the war on terror.
The United States of Europe.
Your illogical obsession with supporting the fascist EU is becoming a problem blocking free and open discussion here.
Wherever people gather to analyse and discuss how to stop the rollout of the fascist EU you are there effectively saying the fascist rollout is a good thing and poisoning any ability to discuss the matter.
I think we should consider any contention that the EU will be good for the people of Britain or anywhere else to be classed as a controversy and all such posts moved there.
Great post Marndin and fascinating that the word is spreading to distant lands.
Joined: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 1025 Location: SW London
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:
The EU is a nightmare, don't be fooled. The reason Wales and Scotland have a parliament is because the UK is required to have 8 regional assemblies. Peter Mandelson is currently writing the trade laws for Europe, having been apointed on a Royal perogative by Tony Blair. Just look into who writes the laws and our complete lack of chance to get rid of them. We need to be on the streets to stop this! the battle ain't over yet!!!
[youtube]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GTjg-vt0Ao4[/youtube] _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject:
Andyb, this question has been discussed on several threads on this Forum so you'll find my answers there. I shall have to make a list of them which I haven't done yet.
I think I know where you're coming from and can empathise with what are your serious concerns. That is why I am making the call for a people's movement along the lines proposed below in this and succeeding articles in that thread:
One thing that puzzles me is the role that the WeAreChange movement in both the UK and Eire is playing. Ostensibly it appears they are concerned about the 911 issue. Which is great. The more groups and people who are the better!
But then I discover they are also conducting an anti-EU operation. That disturbs me greatly. The two issues are and should be kept separate whatever one's views are about the NWO being responsible for setting-up the EU and so on.
The EU institutions, so far as we know, had nothing to do with the staging of the 911 events. On the suspect list are Bush and members of his administration, past and present, as well as the Washington neocons, renegade members of the CIA and maybe a few others in influential places in the USA. The nonsense about Al Qaeda is highly dubious and it must never be forgotten that this ghost organisation was set up by the CIA on a database, hence its name which is Arabic for The Database.
So why is this group mixing the two issues? I'm beginning to get suspicious and to wonder just who is funding this organisation, WeAreChange?
Interesting that in the second video where Tony Benn is being interviewed he says that sovereignty is with the people and not Parliament (which I agree with) and it is Parliament's duty to obey the will of the people. But he then adds that he is not a nationalist and doesn't want to go back to the old days where European countries were fighting each other. Instead he emphasises, "You have to find a proper basis for cooperation that doesn't erode democracy."
It would be mistaken or dishonest to mix up the views of people like Tony --who has been a long-time critic of how the UK Parliament usurps sovereignty from the British people-- with those who wish simply to withdraw from the EU. That's not what Tony is asking for here. I'm not sure exactly what WeAreChange is asking for.
I hope waving a flag about in the name of freedom will be enough for you as you swipe your ID card or hold your arm for the chip reader and smile for the cctv.
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 1107 Location: Free Scotland!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:51 am Post subject:
You're wrong. I am prepared to go to jail if necessary over the ID issue and no way will anyone chip me while I'm in my conscious body. You must be thinking about someone else, chum, not this old campaigner
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:59 am Post subject:
A Truth movement can be neither for or against a country or a confederation as such. If the Bush gang are found to have been responsible for 9/11, that doesn't mean that truthers are anti-US. It doesn't mean that they necessarily want to break the US up into separate nation-states. The same with the EU. That is an area of politics, not of truth-seeking.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:53 am Post subject:
I agree with you. In my opinion the 911 Truth Movement should steer clear of what you describe. But the argument is that the very same people who staged 911, the NWO, are behind the creation of what is described as a highly centralised EU.
The whole argument is, in my opinion, speculative and when more closely analysed does not stand up. Similarly, the scare-mongering going on on the Net, initiated by a dubious character called Brian Gerrish (who a friend calls the Mussolini-man of the Daily Mail) that the Common Purpose organisation is somehow part of this EU conspiracy to help the NWO globalists to take over the Planet and turn it into a huge global gulag!
I have researched Common Purpose and apart from a few articles, all originating in the Gerrish allegation, I can find no proof of any connection between the EU and Common Purpose other than the guilt-by-association allegation that as CP promotes Europe the EU is involved in promoting Common Purpose!
Well, I support the EU but does that make me into an EU plant? Gerrish, in my estimation has a bee in his bonnet about both the EU and Common Purpose. And his are allegations, nothing more. As always on the Net there is an eager audience waiting to swallow any urban myth they might come across. Gerrish, ex-UK Navy, is phobic I believe rather than a paid disinformer: a nutter.
I've watched the video that is normally circulated of a meeting in Leicester where he speaks. I was not impressed. The introduction to this video is given by Roger Helmer, the Chairman of the right-wing Freedom Association. It was the Freedom Association that helped Thatcher break the Grunwick dispute in the 'eighties. The Freedom Association is described here by Gerrish as "the sister-organisation" of Gerrish's Campaign for an Independent Britain. Birds of a feather ...
Having said this, I recognise that aside from a group who are just jingoist nationalists and Europhobes there are those who are genuinely alarmed at the prospect of Britain becoming "a province" in a European super-state. As a long-time federalist that prospect does not alarm me because a federation, if democratically instituted, can afford a great deal of freedom, eg Switzerland. So it's how a federation is structured that's important.
However, I accept that much of this concern is genuine and relates to (1) the totally undemocratic balance of power existing in the present EU structure with the Council of Ministers and Commission wielding the power and a Parliament which is effectively toothless, (2) the secretive character of influential organisations like the Bilderberg Group who provided so much input into the creation of the European Project, and (3) that the encroaching powers of Brussels are seen as undermining the "sovereignty" of nation-states such as Britain.
As to the first, I have made clear what needs to be done. And it must be done by the people of Europe. The second is, I believe, quite true but, again, it's up to the people to change the present nature of the EU. Whereas the third is true in theory, in practice it is highly questionable.
As Tony Benn argues, the Westminster parliament is answerable to the people who hold the sovereign power. Others disagree & say it's Parliament which takes on that sovereignty through the election of MPs. I would support Benn's version and say that Parliament remains answerable to the people who are therefore sovereign.
It is ironic in the extreme that in a time when Parliament is being used by a small group of War Criminals and traitors in order to rubber-stamp its intention to turn Britain into a totalitarian police state that we still talk about "our sovereignty" as being under threat from abroad. I have argued repeatedly that the main threat to our sovereignty comes from the British State itself which is conspiring against the people and is therefore its Enemy. And that it is totally irresponsible to ignore what is going on at home while, instead, to project our anxieties and blame Brussels for our own problems.
It is interesting that Tony Benn, who is to be seen in the WeAreChange promotional movie above is very careful to point out that he does not advocate that Britain should withdraw from the EU. What he is asking for is a rebalancing of power within the EU which effectively means much more power to the Europarliament. The two things must not be confused. To do so means that our people are being misled by an anti-EU group the motives of whose leaders and instigators are extremely dubious.
For example, the Open Europe people who are seen as exponents of freedom. A reading of their aims show that they are actually a group of business people who are promoting economic 'liberalisation'.
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Open Europe believes that the EU must now embrace radical reform based on economic liberalisation, a looser and more flexible structure, and greater transparency and accountability if it is to overcome these challenges, and succeed in the twenty first century
We all know where that comes from. It is the main plank of the NWO agenda! And it is precisely this threat from globalist economics that made many French vote NON against the then Constitution. And there are many other similar extreme rightists. I have pointed out two: Vaclav Klaus, the President of the Czech Republic (a Thatcherite) and Vladimir Bukovsky (an ex-CCF Cold Warrior). Then there is the Daily Mail with its scare-mongering about the Arc Manche group. It goes on and on.
The anti-EU Movement is full of dubious types and organisations and a lot of genuine folk are being led down the garden path by these shadowy characters. They need to be investigated and exposed. On the other hand, the concerns of the same genuine folk should be received sympathetically and addressed. And that is what I hope we can do on Forums such as these.
Finally, an alternative to the present structure proposed by Benn is that of a Commonwealth of Europe. That idea is supported by the old Liberal Party and discussed in Open Democracy:
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject:
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Your illogical obsession with supporting the fascist EU is becoming a problem blocking free and open discussion here.
That's nonsense & you know it. In what way am I blocking free and open discussion? On the contrary, anyone who bothers to read what I have written knows that am asking for a wider discussion than anything we have seen here yet! Illogical obsession? Fascist EU? Tell that to our Continental comrades. They'll be too polite to laugh in your face.
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Wherever people gather to analyse and discuss how to stop the rollout of the fascist EU you are there effectively saying the fascist rollout is a good thing and poisoning any ability to discuss the matter.
Fascist this and fascist that! You know, after the intolerant manner in which you have treated me in public this sounds rather like the pot calling the kettle black. This kind of childish intolerance does you no favours.
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I think we should consider any contention that the EU will be good for the people of Britain or anywhere else to be classed as a controversy and all such posts moved there.
Yes, why not move the entire subject to a Controversies page in order that both sides should be treated alike? You seem to assume that your anti-stance is an orthodoxy shared by all our readers whereas life is rather more complex in its infinite variety ...
Trouble is IMHO you're stopping discussion getting into the background and deeper detail by undermining the very premis of the debate. I think its fair to say anyone who posts critique of the EU should be allowed to develop that critique rather than what you are effectively saying you shouldnt be having that discussion.
It's like having people pushing the official 9/11 story here all the time who don't see it as controversial.
I try to use my editorial judgement to keep open what I see as important lines of enquiry into the New World Order which I believe is a very real and dangerous fascist threat in this possibly terminal phase of the world as we know it.
Can't you start a new thread and develop your ideas there?
Your illogical obsession with supporting the fascist EU is becoming a problem blocking free and open discussion here.
That's nonsense & you know it. In what way am I blocking free and open discussion? On the contrary, anyone who bothers to read what I have written knows that am asking for a wider discussion than anything we have seen here yet! Illogical obsession? Fascist EU? Tell that to our Continental comrades. They'll be too polite to laugh in your face.
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Wherever people gather to analyse and discuss how to stop the rollout of the fascist EU you are there effectively saying the fascist rollout is a good thing and poisoning any ability to discuss the matter.
Fascist this and fascist that! You know, after the intolerant manner in which you have treated me in public this sounds rather like the pot calling the kettle black. This kind of childish intolerance does you no favours.
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I think we should consider any contention that the EU will be good for the people of Britain or anywhere else to be classed as a controversy and all such posts moved there.
Yes, why not move the entire subject to a Controversies page in order that both sides should be treated alike? You seem to assume that your anti-stance is an orthodoxy shared by all our readers whereas life is rather more complex in its infinite variety ...
Vive la difference!
A star avatar is red flag to me _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:42 am Post subject:
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anyone who posts critique of the EU should be allowed to develop that critique rather than what you are effectively saying you shouldnt be having that discussion.
Uh, uh, that's where you misread me. No way would I wish to curtail such a discussion. All discussion should be permissible in order to widen the approach, pro and con. I don't know what gave you the idea that I want to stifle discussion ...
In a Forum such as this everyone should be free to discuss such important topics. Perhaps you got this idea from an earlier thread that deteriorated into a pointless slanging match?
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Trouble is IMHO you're stopping discussion getting into the background and deeper detail by undermining the very premis of the debate
You mean the premise being that, as some are suggesting here including you, that the EU is a 'fascist' front-organisation for the NWO? You know I emphatically deny that as a simplistic generalisation but again I have no wish to stop that discussion. Contesting such an allegation is not to stop its discussion. And how could I possibly stop discussion, anyway, appearing to be in a small minority among those who voice their views on this here?
Not only do I agree with you about the way Bilderberg, the Trilateralists and the CFR sought to fashion the EU after their wishes in earlier days but I also accept and value what you have published about the Dekker proposals. But what I say is that that's not the whole story and that the relationship between the US and the EU has changed since those early days with the latter becoming ever more independent and critical of the former since about the '80s when there was widespread resistance in countries in northern Europe (particularly Germany and Britain) against the US-NATO plans for a European Theatre of War.
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I try to use my editorial judgement to keep open what I see as important lines of enquiry into the New World Order which I believe is a very real and dangerous fascist threat in this possibly terminal phase of the world as we know it.
And in that you have my unqualified support, even if we disagree on details. We are both absolutely in agreement about this!
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Can't you start a new thread and develop your ideas there?
That sounds like a good idea. What I would like to promote is an open forum of discussion regarding the European issue with all shades of opinion being completely free to join in. You may notice that I have already tried to replace the old gladiatorial approach with a reconciliatory one. This is because I now see that both sides share common ground in their concern at the way that a democratically unrepresentative, authoritarian Brussels administration is trying to impose its rule by ignoring the European peoples and their Parliament.
This is an area that merits examination and much more discussion, eg the call for a European people's campaign demanding All Power to the European Parliament. In the eyes of the Council and Commission that is tantamount to revolution! But sooner or later it must happen. So why not start the ball rolling now alongside the Irish referendum and the widespread calls for a referendum?
As I say, the only way we shall obtain our freedom is by grasping it from the hands it is presently in. That is as it has always been in human history. Nothing was handed to us on a plate by the rulers.
My suggestion is that the entire subject of Europe, pro and con, should be given its own space and discussed there freely with all sides being encouraged to participate. All contributions discussing the European issue would automatically be placed in that section and the Administrator would, where necessary, shift posts placed in other areas to the European forum.
What do you think? If you feel the need to discuss aspects of my suggestion by PM please do so though generally I think it is best to discuss matters openly wherever possible
Finally, as Keith Mothersson has said elsewhere, "9/11 Truth is a process, and our ... website should warn people it is a journey, that we need to get good at assessing things for ourselves, including holding various hypotheses in our minds with shifting degrees of doubt, and without resorting to scorn or switching off as we have been dysfunctionally programmed to do."
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:48 am Post subject:
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Beware the USSE, and 'common purpose'. Devil at play.
There is no evidence whatsoever to substantiate Gerrish's allegations that Common Purpose is in some way an EU front-organisation. I have twice watched the video of his Leicester talk and though he makes this allegation by suddenly slipping-in the EU whilst discussing Common Purpose he provides no evidence that the Commission is behind CP.
I have researched Common Purpose and apart from a few articles, all originating in the Gerrish allegation, I can find no proof of any connection between the EU and Common Purpose other than the guilt-by-association allegation that as CP promotes Europe the EU is involved in promoting Common Purpose!
However, I keep an open mind that there might be a well-hidden conspiracy but so far there are absolutely no signs of such in my investigations. And even MEP Roger Helmer who spoke at the Leicester meeting said that he would table a question about this to the Commission who, he acknowledged, are very open in their answers (unlike Whitehall which is anything but open).
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: EU
Tony,
it's clear that you don't actually want a debate. You want everyone to agree with you - because you can't be bothered to separate the wheat from the chaff, the baby from the bathwater.
Your and others' claims that the EU is already a superstate is complete *. Your animosity towards and distorted view of the EU prevents you from being objective.
It's the aggressive and blinkered attitudes and behaviour of people like you which are a problem for the site - and which ought to be outlawed and kept in check.
Unfortunately, irrationality currently holds sway - and completely pathetic nonsense about 1000 years of British sovereignty! Is that what you think you are trying to save - the tradition of monarchical/state/parliamentary sovereignty which has given us almost endless war and is now preparing the fascist police state here?
But I see it's pointless trying to reason with people who have closed minds. I wonder why you don't just all join UKIP and have done with it. _________________ Coordinator 911 Truth Scotland
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject:
Clearly a debate is needed as some people appear to think that the 9/11 Truth Campaign should align itself with those opposed to the EU. Any alignment with any policy other than that of exposing the lies of 9/11 will divide this movement's supporters. Not a good idea!
The EU is not developing in the way the European federalist movement had hoped. In particular the European parliament can be overruled by the Commission. It should be the other way round. Though the parliament has steadily acquired more powers since its inception as a consultative body, in particular the power to sack the whole of the Commision which it once exercised a few years ago.
European federalists have continually campaigned for the parliament to be given more powers, but at each stage such reform has been blocked by various countries in the name of "National Sovereignty". The leading blocker of such democratic reform has been Britain where successive governments prefer snuggling up to the US in that much vaunted "special relationship" than bringing about democratic accountability in Europe.
The result of this worship of supposed "national sovereignty", as opposed to democratic accountability, has been Britain getting dragged into US led wars while most countries on the continent have tended to resist such US pressure. The latest nonsense of the increasingly autocratic British government is its announcement of the "triumph" of its having negotiated a British opt-out from the human rights provisions of the Lisbon Treaty. That means that British citizens are to be deprived of the human rights which are guaranteed by this treaty, while citizens of other EU countries shall enjoy them. This opt-out is justified by the British government in the name of the War on Terror.
There you have it: US false flag incidents, used to attack countries which pose no theat to us and used to deprive us of the human rights which other parts of Europe will enjoy. Where is the pressure for this kind of fascistic policy coming from: Washington, or Brussels?
Clearly any attempt to align the 9/11 truth movement with an anti-EU stance will be highly controversial and divisive and must be resisted. No way is this a topic we are all going to agree upon.
I am for people's democratic accountability at all levels of governance. I believe that the coming together of European nations in a voluntary federal union, as opposed to the attempted imposition of European union by Hitler, Napoleon and the like, is to be welcomed, provided it can be made democratic and with guarantees of human rights. I fear that the EU's dissolution would merely introduce a new era of inter-European wars and that no government within Europe would be able to stand up to the pressure from the major corporations to order everything in Europe in their own interests. They are far too powerful already and completely autocratic. A campaign for democratic accountability within Europe and the rest of the world, is what IMO is needed.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject:
Errr...
Who said that?
I must have missed it.
Guess what?
You said it Noel, nobody else.
This thread has also been sabotaged by the pro NWO brigade.
The anti EU debate is part of the wider truth movement - maybe it would be a good idea to add pro EU fascism to the list of things classed as controversial?
What do people think?
xmasdale wrote:
Clearly a debate is needed as some people appear to think that the 9/11 Truth Campaign should align itself with those opposed to the EU. Any alignment with any policy other than that of exposing the lies of 9/11 will divide this movement's supporters.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject:
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Clearly any attempt to align the 9/11 truth movement with an anti-EU stance will be highly controversial and divisive and must be resisted. No way is this a topic we are all going to agree upon.
Well said, Xmasdale. As Ian Fantom has observed, these two topics should not have been confused in the first place. Given future developments in the reorganisation of websites I hope that we can learn from such a mistake.
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The EU is not developing in the way the European federalist movement had hoped. In particular the European parliament can be overruled by the Commission. It should be the other way round. Though the parliament has steadily acquired more powers since its inception as a consultative body, in particular the power to sack the whole of the Commision which it once exercised a few years ago.
European federalists have continually campaigned for the parliament to be given more powers, but at each stage such reform has been blocked by various countries in the name of "National Sovereignty". The leading blocker of such democratic reform has been Britain where successive governments prefer snuggling up to the US in that much vaunted "special relationship" than bringing about democratic accountability in Europe.
The result of this worship of supposed "national sovereignty", as opposed to democratic accountability, has been Britain getting dragged into US led wars while most countries on the continent have tended to resist such US pressure. The latest nonsense of the increasingly autocratic British government is its announcement of the "triumph" of its having negotiated a British opt-out from the human rights provisions of the Lisbon Treaty. That means that British citizens are to be deprived of the human rights which are guaranteed by this treaty, while citizens of other EU countries shall enjoy them. This opt-out is justified by the British government in the name of the War on Terror.
There you have it: US false flag incidents, used to attack countries which pose no theat to us and used to deprive us of the human rights which other parts of Europe will enjoy. Where is the pressure for this kind of fascistic policy coming from: Washington, or Brussels?
Don't hold your breath for an honest answer 'coz you're very unlikely to get one! All that you say here is so true. But will those present listen?
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I am for people's democratic accountability at all levels of governance. I believe that the coming together of European nations in a voluntary federal union, as opposed to the attempted imposition of European union by Hitler, Napoleon and the like, is to be welcomed, provided it can be made democratic and with guarantees of human rights. I fear that the EU's dissolution would merely introduce a new era of inter-European wars and that no government within Europe would be able to stand up to the pressure from the major corporations to order everything in Europe in their own interests. They are far too powerful already and completely autocratic. A campaign for democratic accountability within Europe and the rest of the world, is what IMO is needed.
Hear, hear!
It seems I am no longer free to state my views on this subject on this Forum and so I have replied in these terms:
Despite the fact that I have attempted to reconcile the two sides & to find common ground it should be obvious why this is not going to be allowed to happen by an Administrator-turned-Dictator. I am not going to stay in a place to be insulted, humiliated and abused in this manner.
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