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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: 911 Truth in the Scotsman Reply with quote

Paul Carline got these comments published in the Scotsman on line. How about others adding their support?

America was not attacked on 9/11. All the real evidence conclusively points to it having been an inside job - as confirmed by ex-president of Italy Cossiga last year. It may surprise you to know that only 16% of Americans believe their own government's story.

Even if you believe the official pack of lies, the alleged attack was allegedly carried out by 19 Arabs, mostly from Saudi Arabia - not Afghanistan.

The original claim by the US administration that the attack was 'masterminded' from a cave in Afghanistan by Osama bin Laden - and that the Taliban's refusal to 'hand him over' was grounds to invade the country - was false on two counts:
- in 2006 the FBI officially confirmed that it had "no hard evidence linking ObL to 9/11" (9/11 is not listed on Osama's 'charge sheet');
- even if ObL had masterminded the 'attack' (he didn't, and notice that the US government has now discovered a new 'mastermind' in Guantanamo), that would not give grounds in international war law for an invasion and occupation.

The war in Afghanistan is just as much a war crime as the war in Iraq, and anyone involved in carrying out and supporting either of those wars - including Andrew Mackay - is de facto guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide.

Brigadier Mackay ought to be telling his troops that they also run the risk of being charged with war crimes; and the Scotsman should be calling on the UK government to uphold international law (the editor and journalists are also in danger of being charged as accessories).


http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Their-sacrifice--is-not.3932493.jp #2663120

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Followed by Comment #48:

Paul Carline is quite right. 911 was an inside job and the truth is getting out despite the mainstream media censorship. 911 was the means used by Bush and Blair to take away our civil liberties and turn their countries into police states. They are both War Criminals and should be tried at the Hague.

NATO has no business to be in Afghanistan and is there only to protect America's Oil and Gas interests. The public has been lied to about both issues. But folk are joining the dots and can see how all this is leading to another world war.


and,

For more information about the actions currently being taken against Britain's war criminals, see 'The Blair Government's War Crimes Police Investigation.' at http://tinyurl.com/yrvqgq

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

very good
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers, Karlos:

Comment #57

Paul, your comments are valued. Inevitably there'll be a lot of lurkers here who will read and think about what you have said. The world is nowhere the black-and white thing that some commentators would have it.

And in terms of the Matrix, there are at least 10 people still on the Blue Pill as there are every one on the Red! Seems there are many more in the USA who have woken up to the Bushco gangsters than here. And ultimately it's what happens there that counts, not in its 51st State over here!

Most folk are too indoctrinated by an incessant stream of daily 1984-style propaganda to know the truth. And many more are switched-off, too busy trying to survive. Those who have the courage to think things out for themselves will be in a minority, way ahead of the rest of the sheeple.

In every war brave soldiers are sacrificed by the politicians. Iraq and Afghanistan are no different. It takes a brave soldier to go out and do the job and a braver soldier who will think for himself and ask the tough questions. But as in Vietnam the reality will come home to roost, sooner or later and people will wake up to realise they were lied to by politicians who were interested in nothing but their own power and bank accounts.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just added ( #58 ):
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9/11 is now an open secret in many quarters. I was at first incredulous, but then I did my own research. Soon I had found a physics paper, reports of a chemical analysis, video lectures, etc etc. It's all there. Do your own research. Try to find evidence to satisfy yourself that the official report was true. Was it bin Laden? Was the Taliban involved? Or Saddam? Could a fire destroy a steel frame building? Then look up the video Loose Change, or the latest commercial version Loose Change Final Cut. Join the ranks of the disbelieved!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great, Ian. Can I suggest that some of us form an ad hoc hit-group whose purpose it is to coordinate an ongoing op to target newspaper articles with pre-planned topics on the 911 and Make War History campaign? Lot's of free publicity to be had!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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glaswegian at heart, florida usa 02/04/2008 04:25:43


It breaks my heart to read or hear of another young man or woman being killed in the senseless illegal war this us govt got us into.it's a pity the p.m.didn't have the interest of the british people at heart.i often thought there had to be something in it for him. isn't he now in a cushy number given to him by the us pres...

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I empathise with you, Glaswegian at heart. These deaths are being caused by war criminals such as Bush, Cheney, Blair, Brown and his entourage.

There is a new managerial aristocracy which includes politicians who have separated themselves from the rest us, thinking that they are above and superior to common humanity. This always happens in a decadent society which ours most certainly is.

The manner in which the average Joe is being brain-washed into an acceptance of the killing of millions in a fake war 'on terror' in the interest of 'democracy' (for 'democracy read imperialism) is a terrible thing. The fact that while this happens their countries are being turned into police states as are the US, UK and Canada today is worse than an irony. It's fatal.


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Comment#63, Greengorilla, Portree 02/04/2008 09:43:21

Liztay, British soldiers are being compelled to fight in two imperialist wars at present. This has nothing to do with our freedoms and has everything to do with US imperialism to control Oil and Gas reserves in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Tony Blair dragged into both these disastrous wars, neither of which we will win and during which many of our young men and women will be killed or wounded. By supporting two illegal wars we are committing war crimes which, according to the UK International Criminal Court Act 2001 makes us all war criminals for not having done anything to resist these wars.

It is an intolerable and deeply shameful situation that we have allowed ourselves to get into. In the first place, the responsibility for war crimes must lie with Blair, his cabinet and Parliament and secondly the rest of us who did nothing to prevent these wars.

That is as I have said according to UK law which is there for all to see if they wish to.


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comment#64 alwun, London 02/04/2008 11:42:11


Their 'sacrifice' is very much in vain, sadly. Many families have been and will continue to be shattered forever due to the premature, violent, lonely and utterly pointless death of their beloved son or daughter. The soldiers who have been sent to Iraq or Afghanistan are part of an illegal, murderous and destructive invasion, and as pointed out above, we are complicit in this genocidal war, if only(and especially) by continuing to contribute to the war coffers via our taxes. see wearechange.org These rapacious wars were precipitated on the back of the 911 atrocity which turns out to be a false flag operation, followed by the 7/7 false flag here in London. There has been absolutely no proof of involvement by any Muslim whatsoever in both cases, yet major wars have resulted. These are scary times, exacerbated by the sheer numbers of the general population who continue to believe the absurd stories of the 'hi-jacked planes' and the London 'suicide bombers'.

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Comment#69, Greengorilla, Portree 03/04/2008 05:51:37

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AllieC says: "Ross Kemp and his crew risked their lives to try and show people in the UK what our troops are actually experiencing and why they deserve our support (no matter what your view on the political situation)"

It is the duty of all citizens to resist a war crime being committed by their government. War crimes are being committed against innocent Afghanis being killed by NATO. Not to resist such crimes makes us de facto complicit in war crimes.

If you don't believe me do a search and read the International Criminal Court Act (Scotland), 2001.

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Comment#71&72, indigopete, Glasgow 03/04/2008 11:19:24

To all those who are so comfortable in their interpretation of world events that they feel able to dismiss the idea that 9/11 was to some or the entire extent, an 'inside job'.

There are plenty of reasons to be sceptical about the 'official conspiracy theory' which are nothing do do with 'skully', 'ufos' or 'elvis'. The principal of these is that the '9/11' has been used as a 'blank cheque' to underwrite a whole range of corrupt geopolitical policies purely by association, ranging from unprovoked foreign invasions to mass public surveillance.

Despite this, the events themselves remain essentially un-investigated as far as public accountability and transparency are concerned. We were served up a hollywood 'diet' of dramatic phone transcripts, tails of flight manuals and copies of the koran found on car seats and invited to 'swallow it and shut up' rather than ask any serious questions of sources who were injecting this version of events into the public domain.

The problem remains that it is highly unlikely that members of the public now or then can get out of there seat in mid flight, take out both pilots with a stanley knife, steal the plane, navigate it 400 miles unhindered by the most expensive defense system in the world and crash it into a pinpoint target at 400 mph. Multiply that 'unlikelyhood' x 4 and all of this with 8 hours airliner training in a flight simulator. (~200 hrs in a small prop).

Despite that fact, there is at least a theoretical possibility that the official story is true, so the case exists for analysing the detail of every smallest aspect of the government account. Thats when the last shred of credibility just evaporates as most people who have taken the time to do this have found. Far from rushing enthusiastically to join some conspiracy 'cult' it has largely made them sick to the pits of their stomachs and many have waited years before reluctantly turning themselves into 'activists'.

Here, for example, is the account of 1 professional (amongst hundreds) who eventually came to 'face facts'...

http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=1146773943958672828&q=richard+g age+interview&total=27&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

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Comment#75, Greengorilla, Portree 04/04/2008 01:52:47

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69: Greengorilla - If you or others believe war crimes are being carried out take the British Government to court and get our troops pulled out.


In reply, yes that process, I assure you has already begun. See, for example, http://www.makewarshistory.org.uk/

Various groups of individuals are reporting people like Blair & Co to the police for war crimes. It's a lengthy, frustrating process with the police trying to ignore these complaints. But their hands are tied because they are legally obliged to follow-up these complaints according to the ICC Act!

I feel sorry for the soldiers who are under orders. But at least one brave airman refused to fight in Iraq and was punished. He was an exception but we know that there a lot of demoralised soldiers, some who may not say it but feel that what they are being made to do is wrong.

It takes a brave soldier to throw down his weapons in the spirit of human decency. We don't attack what the soldiers are doing because they have no choice. Each one must decide for him or herself if the task is too impossible to warrant the disobeying of orders.

While we sympathise with them for the invidious position they are in we are also duty-bound to remind them as well as all the rest of the population that according to UK and International law, not to resist the perpetration of a war crime is to become complicit. That is the reality. We are all war criminals now.

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