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 Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: Judy Wood's toasted cars, another piece of the jigsaw? |
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Whilst raising skeptical questions about the location of toasted cars shown in Judy Woods photographical evidence. The following video , amongst other things, shows toasted and other damaged vehicles in situ on the streets around the towers. What has caused the fires and damage on these vehicles? Traffic lights still working on one clip. I can only imagine a huge fireball or intense heat/blast (not by a collapse? by explosion?) There doesnt seem to be enough heavy debris adjacent to some of the vehicles to have caused smashed windows.
Toasted/damaged vehicles from 3mins 32 secs to about 4mins 20 secs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UyGQ-6yKbU&feature=related
No conclusions Just another piece of the jigsaw.
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I'd like to suggest " a giant sub-orbital space mega-toaster", but would probably be in breach of the forum rules in so doing.
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Nice find. There sure are some strange looking car wrecks in that vid. What caused them to burn so much?
Good question.
The most immediate answer would be debris from the explosions, composed of jet fuel and all sorts of material from the planes and the buildings which clearly spreads massively in the air and drops.
As seen here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmDKhw5rWuE
(sorry NP'ers)
There is definitely footage I have seen which shows cars burning around the base of the towers before collapse. It's not clear from Fish's video if the cars are in their original position.
What I would ask is if the space beams are meant to have caused this toasting for some people, why are the cars still standing and not disintegrated like they are supposed to have done to the towers?
If it is true that the cars were too far away to account for flaming debris causing the "toasting" then would this supposed beam have had to have made a kind of sweeping motion to reach the cars?
If so, were there any remains of partially disintegrated onlookers? |
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If we are talking DEWs or the like why is it that only cars seem to have suffered and surrounding items like the traffic lights seem untouched?
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| fish5133 wrote: | | If we are talking DEWs or the like why is it that only cars seem to have suffered and surrounding items like the traffic lights seem untouched? |
Exactly. Why are they only burnt and not disintegrated too? |
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why is the burning also random?
upon looking at woods photos, some cars have the front burnt, some have the back burnt, some are totally burnt, others not burnt at all.
some have no plastic left, some have plastic left.
some have the interior burnt completely, some don't.
some have no paint, some have all their paint.
it goes on and on and each point is highlighted by woods as if it is significant. for example, it will be highligted how one car is missing all it plastic components and fittings, whilst another photo will highlight how another car still has all its plastic fittings etc.
so what exactly is being proposed? if it were some type of weaponary surely you'd expect some type of common theme with all the cars rather than random burning and random effected fittings on the cars.
it seems more like a collection of photo's showing car damage with no actual consistant evidence pointing to anything specific.
the only point that makes the cars seem 'strange' is that cars were 'apparently 1/2 - 1 mile away. but there is no clear proof this is true without cars being towed there and then photoed at a later date, as NO evidence of when photos were taken or each photo was taken has been presented. there is however information saying that cars were towed away ready for insurence claims and parked in a 'remote lot' http://www.thecarconnection.com/?article=4416 .
woods also claimed in one of her 'talks' that the cars cannot of come from the WTC's as there is not enough room around the WTC's for 1,400 cars.
well i challenge anybody to go and research that claim and see what they come up with themselves.
IMO the cars are consistent with what you'd expect from buildings collapsing around them/on them or being trapped underground(car parks) with burning fires.
the cars came from 1/2 mile away http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image161.jpg , then they show a cop car parked along the same row! i wonder what the cop car was doing a 1/2 a mile away! theres no chance it could of been moved there after 9/11 is there? afterall surely nearly every available cop car was around the area of the towers when they collapsed trying to save peoples lives.
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image9.jpg
imo any picture of a emergency vechile had to come from very near the wtc's wether is was photographed 1/2 mile away or not and you can gaurentee the cars near it came from the same place to. they needed somewhere to put the cars, what were they meant to do? stack them up at ground zero?
the puzzle with the cars is impossible to solve, because like everything its riddled with wrong information and claims.
i have found enough information myself to beable to say.
there was enough parking spaces around the wtc's and under them.
yes cars were found far away but they were not always there.
and a lot of car 'evidence' fully fits debris landing on them and causing fire or being trapped in a area where a fire started.
there are some cars however that do appear to have caught fire for no reason but not as many as some would like you to believe. these cars need focus instead of the diversion of contridictive points that prove nothings because perfectly explainable cars and claims have been added to the mix. to confuse IMO.
also, when ever you mention any of this you get people turning playing dumb about what a tow truck is and its purpose. they say "how did the cars get there ? a forklift truck? or no photos were taken of tow trucks therefore they could'nt of been there.
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/1026275278001123068S600 x600.jpg
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/1026275165001123068S600 x600.jpg
the car appears to have fallen of the car below, explaining this photo.
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image162.jpg
this car looks as if it had a vechile sat on top at some point and would fit perfectly on the back of the truck.
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image153.jpg
two cars clearly sat on top of eachother in the same manner as they are on the back of the truck.
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image152.jpg
crushed roofs, also look like they may of had the same treatment
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/21.jpg
see also: http://www.freefoto.com/browse/21-15-0?ffid=21-15-0
for unrelated to 9/11 burnt out cars.
gasp, no door handles!
http://www.freefoto.com/preview/21-15-1?ffid=21-15-1
http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/Photography/Burn_out_cars_photos.htm
http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/Photography/burnt_out_car_inside.htm |
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| Quote: | | New York authorities towed or hauled hundreds of damaged vehicles from the streets to a remote lot where Vehicle Identification Numbers of civilian vehicles were recorded. These VINs were fed into computers, which matched them to units insured by insurance companies licensed in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. The insurance companies then delicately contacted owners to advise them of the vehicle's location and condition and, when appropriate, counsel them to file a claim. You can well imagine that some persons contacted were, in fact, grieving survivors of those killed or missing in the WTC attack. And some owners will be unreachable — forever. |
http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1035141_september-11-2001 -the-auto-aftermath-9-11-remembered/page-3
Obviously some kind of salvage sytem was put in place for insurance companies/owners.
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| marky 54 wrote: | | it seems more like a collection of photo's showing car damage with no actual consistant evidence pointing to anything specific. |
I think you hit the nail on the head. and anyone who looks at enough pictures of burned out cars via a google image search can see for themselves that there's nothing out of the ordinary about the pictures of damaged vehicles at or around ground zero on judy wood's website - despite her desperate attempts to claim that there is. and as you've pointed out, some of her comments about the images she uses are just plain stupid.
this page explains it all fairly well.
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/wtc/burnedcars/
"Ordinary burned cars showing the same types of damage as the cars burned around the World Trade Center on 9-11, plus the explanation of how so many cars caught fire on that day -- chain-reaction car fires -- burning cars igniting other cars. This completely refutes the disinformation from Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood that the WTC cars were burned by energy beams from outer space."
more pictures of toasted cars here:
http://curbed.com/tags/toasted-cars
I'm just waiting for some numpty to claim that the secret rulers of the world have faked all these photos to make them look like the ones on 9/11 in a cunning attempt to discredit judy wood.... 
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| Lee wrote: | | fish5133 wrote: | | If we are talking DEWs or the like why is it that only cars seem to have suffered and surrounding items like the traffic lights seem untouched? |
Exactly. Why are they only burnt and not disintegrated too? |
that's another thing that puzzles me about the alleged space beam that allegedly "dustified" the WTC steel (I say "allegedly" because the available evidence shows that there was no "dustified steel" in the WTC dust and there's also no evidence that the secret rulers of the world have spacecraft armed with DEWs orbiting the earth, as Judy Wood claims).
how come the space beam "dustified" the steel in the towers but only "toasted" the steel in the damaged cars?
why didn't it "dustify" the cars too?
and if the space beam didn't cause any molten metal at the WTC, as judy wood claims, then why did it apparently melt the metal in the cars?
and how did it cause such severe damage to cars while in many cases leaving everything else in the surrounding area completely unaffected?
do judy wood's fanboys have any explanation for these rather glaring inconsistencies, or is it more evidence that she is a charlatan who's talking out of her @rse?
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| marky 54 wrote: | | the only point that makes the cars seem 'strange' is that cars were 'apparently 1/2 - 1 mile away. but there is no clear proof this is true without cars being towed there and then photoed at a later date, as NO evidence of when photos were taken or each photo was taken has been presented. |
on judy wood's website she specifically claims that there is no evidence that damaged vehicles were towed away to places like FDR drive and that it would not have made sense to do this.
| Judy Wood wrote: | | In the debate over toasted cars ignited by this article, some have argued that the wrecked vehicles on FDR drive were damaged at the WTC and were loaded up and transported and dumped on FDR drive for storage. First, there is no evidence that this was done. Second, it makes no sense to load up wrecks, transport them, only to dump them in a busy thoroughfare for storage. These wrecks would have had to be picked up yet again and transported again. |
I think this is a really stupid claim (although pretty much everything she says about these "toasted cars" is completely stupid, so at least she's consistent).
First of all, although FDR drive is normally a "busy thoroughfare", I seem to remember that it was closed to traffic after the towers came down, as was the whole of lower manhattan - for a period of several days. this is the kind of lack of basic research that characterises judy wood's claims....
the cars shown in the photos on her website have been left by the side of the road, and in the photos there is no traffic in sight.
it's also common knowledge that damaged cars were towed away from ground zero. and in the chaos that existed in the aftermath of the towers coming down it made perfect sense to quickly dump these cars somewhere nearby but out of the way - and then to take them to a landfill at a later date.
and (as usual) a few minutes googling is all that is required to find the evidence that this is in fact what happened.
try reading page 12 of this paper for example:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/b/scientific-critique-of-ju dy-woods-paper-star-wars-beam-weapons-by-james-gourley.pdf
the paper cites several sources of information about vehicles being towed away, as well as the fact that many of the 1400 vehicles that ended up in Fresh Kills Landfill in Staten Island went through temporary transport stations located at Pier 25 and Pier 6. FDR Drive, coincidentally, runs right past Pier 6. It is logical to assume, therefore, that the cars depicted in Wood's pictures were towed there near the temporary transport station at Pier 6 before subsequently being taken to Fresh Kills.
Pages 13 and 14 of the above paper also examine some photos of these vehicles on wood's website and demonstrate how their appearance does indicate that they were in fact towed there.
note to admin - it would be nice if we had a "facepalm" smiley available when discussing judy wood's "research".
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| penny wrote: | | Haha, the same old villains. Gruts, Marky54, Chek. Validated? LOL. |
Villains?
You're obviously a Judy Wood lemming.
There are plenty of threads that debunk "toasted cars" on this forum and I really do mean debunk.
Go ahead and keep ignoring that evidence but dont call people who disagree with you villains.
It astounds me beyond belief the blind faith people have in some of the cr@p peddled round here as truth.
Also, you've been a member of this forum for a week...
How are you able to make the familiarised comment "same old villains"?.
Either you have read through the threads you're referencing and totally ignored the evidence against your blind-faith belief system or...well...you're an old poster who has changed their name.
Which is it?
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oh dear - it looks like somebody who's had their butt kicked is still sore....
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| gruts wrote: | | oh dear - it looks like somebody who's had their butt kicked is still sore.... |
Who have you ever met from this forum, Gruts? How did you earn your validation badge? Did Monsieur Jean Blanc give you it? |
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| gruts wrote: | | oh dear - it looks like somebody who's had their butt kicked is still sore.... |
How is the JREF these days? |
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dunno - how are things on planet numpty?
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| GodSaveTheTeam wrote: | | penny wrote: | | Haha, the same old villains. Gruts, Marky54, Chek. Validated? LOL. |
Villains?
You're obviously a Judy Wood lemming.
There are plenty of threads that debunk "toasted cars" on this forum and I really do mean debunk.
Go ahead and keep ignoring that evidence but dont call people who disagree with you villains.
It astounds me beyond belief the blind faith people have in some of the cr@p peddled round here as truth.
Also, you've been a member of this forum for a week...
How are you able to make the familiarised comment "same old villains"?.
Either you have read through the threads you're referencing and totally ignored the evidence against your blind-faith belief system or...well...you're an old poster who has changed their name.
Which is it? |
Lee, why are you alowed to go under 2 different names on the same thread?? |
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Lee, why are you alowed to go under 2 different names on the same thread?? |
Because Stephen...
A) As I told penny...I'm one of THEM. I'm a mass-murderer-protecting shill hellbent on steering all the real 9/11 truthers away from everything honest and good. Like say...TVF research.
(cue collective maniacal laughter echoing through the corridors of our secret underground tv studio)
B) I asked Tony if the mod status Rosie received at the 9/11 AGM in 2007 that we both attended could instead be used by me as Rosie doesn't get much time. Meaning I dont post under "Lee", the new forum username I opened when Rosie got mod status on the GSTT username, anymore.
(cue Stephen not even seeing B, reading A and instantly scurrying off to the September Clues forum and posting it up on the "EVERYONE WHO QUESTIONS TVF IS A MASS MURDERER PROTECTING SHILL!" section with just the word "SEE!!!!"...
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| GodSaveTheTeam wrote: | | Stephen wrote: |
Lee, why are you alowed to go under 2 different names on the same thread?? |
Because Stephen...
A) As I told penny...I'm one of THEM. I'm a mass-murderer-protecting shill hellbent on steering all the real 9/11 truthers away from everything honest and good. Like say...TVF research.
(cue collective maniacal laughter echoing through the corridors of our secret underground tv studio)
B) I asked Tony if the mod status Rosie received at the 9/11 AGM in 2007 that we both attended could instead be used by me as Rosie doesn't get much time. Meaning I dont post under "Lee", the new forum username I opened when Rosie got mod status on the GSTT username, anymore.
(cue Stephen not even seeing B, reading A and instantly scurrying off to the September Clues forum and posting it up on the "EVERYONE WHO QUESTIONS TVF IS A MASS MURDERER PROTECTING SHILL!" section with just the word "SEE!!!!"... |
I dont post on the killtowns forum, anyway its gone down!
So who am i talking to Lee, Rosie or someone else? |
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| Stephen wrote: |
So who am i talking to Lee, Rosie or someone else? |
99.9% I post under this username.
Rosie occasionally posts article links but doesn't engage in the pointless task of trying to get some posters to engage with cult-freeing counter-evidence.
I can always pretend I'm someone more sinister if you like.
Bush Snr or even a TV faker-perp. You can choose their name.
Or maybe even John from the original V if you would prefer.
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| GodSaveTheTeam wrote: | | Stephen wrote: |
So who am i talking to Lee, Rosie or someone else? |
99.9% I post under this username.
Rosie occasionally posts article links but doesn't engage in the pointless task of trying to get some posters to engage with cult-freeing counter-evidence.
I can always pretend I'm someone more sinister if you like.
Bush Snr or even a TV faker-perp. You can choose their name.
Or maybe even John from the original V if you would prefer. |
So you can go by two names on this forum?
The man with two names? 
Who are you then? |
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| Quote: | | in the pointless task of trying to get some posters to engage with cult-freeing counter-evidence. |
I'm not in a cult.
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Rosie had a differnt name mrs woudberg or something ?
So you got access to three names ? |
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| Now you have hatched out of your egg please tell everyone why you want to attack honerst research. |
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| Stephen wrote: |
So you can go by two names on this forum?
The man with two names?
Who are you then? |
I'll be the man with two names then. Should I change my avatar to half man half lizard for you?
Hey, it's your fantasy.
You only read half of B didn't you?
I dont post under Lee anymore. Click on the "Lee" profile and look at "all posts" to see the last time I did.
30 April 2009. Over six months ago.
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I'm not in a cult. |
Ok.
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| Stephen wrote: | | Now you have hatched out of your egg please tell everyone why you want to attack honerst research. |
Is that a lizard egg by any chance?
So you want to pretend I'm John from V then. Ok.
I wont be able to create the strange voice effect for you in text though.
But I promise to wear the orange jump suit as I type.
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yes it's amazing the lengths to which the judy wood cult will go to avoid discussing the evidence that they happen to be completely wrong....
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