Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 274 Location: North West London
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:18 am Post subject:
Concerning the quote given in Rachel's blog (April 10th) from Khan's home video,
Quote:
What's your words of wisdom?', the father asks the men.
' A few words of wisdom - kill everyone there is', another man replies. Smiling broadly.
I could barely make it out, but there it was.
Does anyone know where this came from? I didn't see it in the news reports. Maybe she just copied it down at the trial.
Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 500 Location: South London
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:47 am Post subject:
astro3 wrote:
Concerning the quote given in Rachel's blog (April 10th) from Khan's home video,
Quote:
What's your words of wisdom?', the father asks the men.
' A few words of wisdom - kill everyone there is', another man replies. Smiling broadly.
I could barely make it out, but there it was.
Does anyone know where this came from? I didn't see it in the news reports. Maybe she just copied it down at the trial.
It is such a good transcript that I thought she had a copy of the video.
Are you allowed to take notes at the trial? I guess you are in an annex not the courtroom. _________________ Follow the numbers
This is my first and possibly last post but i had to state this fact.What blinding flash?i thought this was home made TATP explosives made in a bathtub,that is the official line is it not?.Well the obvious point is that TATP explosives do not create a flash.In fact no heat is produced at all.How this stuff works is by creating a massive gas expulsion called an entropic burst.There is no exothermic blast,no flash,no heat.What you are looking at in this blast is C4 and that is abundantly clear to anyone with even basic explosive knowledge.I came across this site by accident and know very little about the claims being made.The fact is that the claim TATP explosives made in a bathtub made this blast is fantasy.You probably know this already but just in case you don,t here is a cast in stone fact that the official narrative is not correct so much so as to appear ridiculous.TATP is used in car airbags for crying out loud now why do you think that is?.
The peer-reviewed 2004 study in the Journal of the American Chemical Society (JACS) entitled "Decomposition of Triacetone Triperoxide is an Entropic Explosion" tells us that the explosive force of TATP comes from the sudden decomposition of a solid into gases. There's no rapid oxidizing of fuel, as there is with many other explosives: rather, the substance changes state suddenly through an entropic process.
This is what an entropic burst looks like,note there is no orange to be seen.
Furthermore, the substance that the bombers were said to have mixed from household products - TATP - produces neither flame nor heat upon detonation. But eyewitnesses reported both.
Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 274 Location: North West London
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:58 am Post subject:
I like the clear and conclusive logic of Robby B's argument. Well done, Sir!
For years we've been told it was TATP brewed up in a bath, at 18 Alexander Grove in Leeds. Then we get this trial. The whole gee-whiz thing about TATP is that is it an 'entropic explosive' giving pure blast with no heat or light. The CCTV film shows a blinding flash of light. Ergo, these lads were innocent.
Robby, if you read Nafeez Ahmed's 'London Bombings' he gives a fine account of how over the first week or so, real explosive experts (mainly French and Italian) said it was C4, then after July 12th when the trail unfolded up to Leeds, it had to start being TATP because this could (supposedly) be brewed up in a bath in Leeds.
July 7 is the 'ever-changing story.' Now you might find this difficult to believe, but this Kingston trial now on has the lads mixing black pepper and peroxide in that bath at Alexander Grove. Some new load of scriptwriters found the TATP story inconvenient. It has just faded away, as far as I can tell. This seems to come from HM Government's Crackpot Chemistry Department (aka Mr Clifford Todd, the Chief Investigator with the government's Forensic Explosives Laboratory):
Quote:
Jurors were told the "unique" bomb mixture was made up of black pepper and hydrogen peroxide.*
Maybe all that stuff about acetone and sulphuric acid sounded a bit too complicated.
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject:
Sorry not read through all the threads but note these comments from Timesonline
Quote:
Clutching his baby daughter to his chest and speaking in barely a whisper, the young father explains that he is off to war in Afghanistan and will never return.
Quote:
A week after Khan, 30, and Tanweer arrived in Pakistan they changed their plans and decided to turn their attention to an attack in Britain, it is alleged. Both men, it is said, returned in February 2005 and carried out the London bombings five months later.
The evidence from his video only shows he was prepared to go and fight for his beliefs in Afghanistan not that he was to go and blow up trains in London.
Imagine if UK intelligence got hold of video prior to 7/7 they have their nr 1 patsy , the second being Mr Peter Power. Bit too conspiratorial and illogical but hey ho _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
7/7: main charge: a ground black pepper and H2O2 sauce; detonator HMTD.
21/7: main charge: a chapatti flour and H2O2 batter; detonator TATP.
liquid explosive plot: main charge: a sugar (Tang?) and H2O2 syrup; detonator HMTD.
In order to work the H2O2 used in the main charge needs to be 70%+ concentrated.
TATP is made from H202 and acetone with a sulphuric acid catalyst.
HMTD is made from H202 and hexamine (aka hexamethylenetetramine or methenamine) with a citric acid catalyst.
Thats a recipe for Onion Bhaji!!! _________________ "The conflict between corporations and activists is that of narcolepsy versus remembrance. The corporations have money, power and influence. Our sole influence is public outrage. Extract from "Cloud Atlas (page 125) by David Mitchell.
This is my first and possibly last post but i had to state this fact.What blinding flash?i thought this was home made TATP explosives made in a bathtub,that is the official line is it not?.
In most of these incidents, there is never really an "official line" - just a series of stories in the media. Then when a story is shown to be false, there is never any need for official denial as there never was an official line.
I think I will call it "Boxcutter Syndrome". A complete hijacker theory repeated ad nauseum based on a single phone call that probably never happened.
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