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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Several Reasons Why it isn't about Oil Reply with quote

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Several Reasons Why it isn't about Oil

By Curt Maynard, Wednesday, February 27, 2008

The war in Iraq, and America’s so-called Imperialistic ventures in the Mid East have nothing to do with oil.

How do you know that you might be asking?

Without delving into some very credible “conspiracy theories,” which tend to cause the eyes of “enlightened” Americans to glaze over in their own unique self-righteous stupor, let me relate some facts below, that should, assuming the reader has the ability to think properly as my friend in Rome Alfio Faro, likes to say, convince even the skeptic that Bush’s recent forays into the Middle East have nothing to do with the monopolization of oil reserves. I won’t leave the reader hanging, after relating these facts I’ll spell out in one word exactly why Bush is occupying Iraq and Afghanistan and why he intends to attack Iran and Syria as well.[1]

The Third World nation of South Africa produces a barrel of oil from coal for under $35.00 a barrel.[2] The United States of America has some of the largest coal reserves in the world.[3] These coal reserves are of a far higher quality than that used by South Africa, the sulfur content is much less, and thus, American coal can be converted to oil cheaper than can South African coal.

You may have heard about Canada’s Oil Sands, but what you may not have heard is that within these sands Canada harbors nearly as much oil as Saudi Arabia.[4] Granted, it costs much more money to extract this oil from the sand than it does for Saudi Arabia to open its spigots, but at current oil prices, $76.00 a barrel, it is both feasible and profitable to begin mass production.[5]

What the reader, especially the American reader, is almost certainly unaware of is that the United States of America has even more oil than Saudi Arabia or Canada locked away in strata of shale under the Rocky Mountains.[6] Costs to extract this oil are considerably higher than extracting it from sand, but bear in mind, at current prices, it too can be extracted profitably with technology that already exists. Not to mention the fact that its extraction, assuming that illegal aliens aren’t invited en masse to fill openings, will create hundreds of thousands of jobs for Americans, not service related jobs, but real employment with real salaries and benefits.

Methane Hydrate – methane hydrate is essentially frozen methane gas. Methane gas burns cleaner than any other energy source known, if combustion is complete; there is no appreciable pollutant created from its use. In any case, methane hydrate exists in reserves so large that they dwarf all of the oil and coal reserves combined, the world over, from the dawn of time; it lies under the oceans and has already been extracted by the industrious Japanese. Its extraction at present is too costly to be profitable, but like anything else, costs decline over time and/or as the result of new technology.[7]

If the United States government were truly interested in marshaling oil sources around the world, would it not be doing everything within its power to mollify relations with the countries that possess the oil? Instead Bush is doing everything he can to alienate the populations of oil producing nations, and doesn’t seem to be in the least bit concerned about the consequences of such foreign policy folly.


Above I promised that after relating some facts I’d spell out in one word exactly why Bush is occupying Iraq and Afghanistan and why he intends to attack Iran and Syria as well. Dear reader, the reason in one word is “Israel.” Why Bush pursues his insane adventures in the Mid East for the Zionist state is not exactly known, some think he is a Christian fundamentalist, with a “dual covenant” eschatological outlook, this writer seriously doubts this premise, Bush’s words may exemplify Christian value and virtue, but his actual behavior demonstrably prove that his words are empty and are meant only to maintain a relatively powerful base, that of the Christian voting block.[8]

There are others that believe Bush may be compromised in some way and may be under the influence of those blackmailing him; those who would and could reveal to the world some dark secret hiding in the closet of the Commander and Chief. I suppose it’s possible, I personally don’t believe that former President Clinton just happened to meet up with a young Jewess named Monica Lewinsky, who just happened to save a sample of the President’s sperm discharged on her dress after administering fellatio. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I’ll bet it wasn’t a happy accident.


[1] Syria itself has no appreciable oil reserves and thus its demonization by Israel and the media should act as a wake up call for those that are convinced that Bush’s Mid East policies exclude everything but the acquisition of additional oil reserves.
[2] http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=1157843
[3] http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/northamerica/engsupp.htm
[4] http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/89.asp
[5] Don’t fool yourself, the price of oil will never again fall below $50.00 a barrel – once consumers have accepted paying $3.00 a gallon for gas, oil companies and governments will maintain it there.
[6] 1.2 trillion barrels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale
[7] http://www.llnl.gov/str/Durham.html
[8] Many of these so-called Christian fundamentalists however are anything but supportive of Israel; the predominantly Jewish media in the United States exploits its media monopoly to keep this idea before the American viewing public, this idea that all Christian fundamentalists are pro-Zionist/pro-Israel. They do this to rein in the hesitant, after all if “all,” Christian fundamentalists support Israel, it must be an order ordained by Jesus himself, thus many blindly fall into this category, but maintain privately, their healthy skepticism of the Jewish state. Many contemporary Christians have forgotten that for 2000 years Christian doctrine embraced the view that Jews and Christians could not, nor should live together, that Jews were determined to subvert and defile Christianity and that they would do so forever. In effect by turning their back on 2000 years of Christian doctrine, these folks believe that they are somehow more enlightened than their predecessors. They embrace this view despite the emergence of our modern secular society, despite the millions of abortions in the United States annually, despite the fact that “gay marriage,” is almost certainly to become a reality in this country, despite the fact that “hate crimes,” legislation, if the Jewish ADL gets its way, would make it unlawful for a Christian to condemn homosexuality and the goals of aberrant feminism, despite the fact that non-Christian Jews dominate our modern culture via the power of the media in all its forms, despite the fact that Jesus has become nothing more than a piece of “art,” to be urinated on, amidst the applause of our enlightened and “reformed,” secular elite, who appear in droves to demand that the American taxpayer [Christians included] continue to be forced to pay for the display of such garbage under the illusion that somehow it qualifies as “art.” No, our society is not as enlightened as we’d like to think, we are fools determined to live with our delusional thoughts and ideas – most of which have been carefully instilled in us by way of the media.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Coming War with Iran: It's about Oil, Stupid

World civilization is based on oil. The world is running out of oil. The oil companies and governments are not telling the truth about how close we are to the end. Dick Cheney knew about peak oil back in 1999 when he spoke to the London Petroleum Institute as Halliburton CEO. He predicted it would come in 2010. After that it's just a matter of years before it runs out. Whoever controls the remaining oil determines who lives and who dies.

Sixty percent of this oil is under a triangular area of the Middle East the size of Kansas. In that speech Cheney said: "The Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

This small Middle East triangle encompasses the northeast of Saudi Arabia, all of Iraq and the southwestern part of Iran, along with Kuwait, Qatar and the Emirates. The US controls Iraq. It has friendly governments in the other states.

Iran is the exception. The US now surrounds Iran.

Controlling an area the size of Kansas shouldn't be a problem for the U.S. military, except that it is heavily populated and many people in the triangle don't want the Americans there and are willing to fight.

It's been known for at least thirty years that America needs alternative energy sources. But instead of an alternative energy plan we got the invasion of Iraq by oilmen wedded to a dying business, willing to kill hundreds of thousands to cling to the last drop. The US is never leaving the region or withdrawing from Iraq. McCain is right about staying, but 100 years is too long. The oil won't last that long.

Iran is next. Lieberman set up Petraeus to testify last week that Iranian-backed groups are murdering hundreds of American servicemen in Iraq. On Friday Gates called Iran's influence in Iraq "malign" and Bush said if Iran keeps meddling in Iraq "then we'll deal with them." They are building their case for war with resolutions in the Senate and at the UN. It's only western Iran, from the Iraq border to 150 miles inside the country that the U.S. will have to occupy. That's where Iran's oil is. But the U.S. will have a nasty battle on their hands in Iran even if they restore a Shah-like puppet in Tehran 30 years after the revolution.

The Saudis would not mind seeing the Iranian regime go. But the Saudis may also be on the list. The US may have to destabilize and control Saudi Arabia some day too. The Wall Street Journal a few years ago revealed that in the 1970s under Nixon, Kissinger had plans drawn up for the US invasion and occupation of the Saudi oil fields. Those plans can be dusted off.

The American oil wars are being launched out of weakness, not strength. The American economy is teetering and without control of the remaining oil it will collapse. There will be massive chaos in any case, when only enough oil remains for the American elite and whomever they choose to share it with.

That will leave an oil-starved China and India, both with nuclear weapons, with no alternative but to bow to America or go to war.

It's not about greed any more. It's about survival. Because the leadership of this country was initially too greedy to switch from oil to solar, wind, geothermal and other renewable alternatives, it may now be too late. Had the hundreds of billions of dollars poured into the invasion and occupation of Iraq been put into alternative energy the world might have had a fighting chance. Now that is far from certain.

What is certain is that these wars are not about democracy. They are not about WMD. The coming one will not even be about Iran's nuclear weapons project. It's about the oil, stupid.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder who would have a vested interest in maintaining that the war is about oil. We went through this "we are running out of oil" fiasco in the 1970s when the price ballooned and we went on a "three day week". It turned out to be nonsense and after a few years we were awash with oil and the price plummeted. But only after the Middle East settled down again after Israel (yet again) gained from its aggression and another war. People were saying exactly the same things then as they are saying now about oil but did nothing to change from relying on oil. Its as if they know they don't need to!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zionist apologists now claim that it was the oil companies who pushed for this invasion. Yet at the time, the loud chorus for invading Iraq was coming from zionist-dominated media, and from Israel itself, and zionist zealots such as Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, etc. The oil companies, and even Bush pere himself, spoke out against invading Iraq, which makes perfect sense, since the invasion has actually endangered the already well-entrenched American oil interests in that country, and even in that region

Prior to the Iraq occupation.......

Zionist controlled ...."STW"......says the war is about Oil.

The BNP....says the invasion was for Israel.

Since then the BNP has had a Kosher make-over.

This site no longer wants too much "truth"....just a sanitised controlled tale.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackbear wrote:
Zionist apologists now claim that it was the oil companies who pushed for this invasion.

This site no longer wants too much "truth"....just a sanitised controlled tale.


Are all those who claim this war is about oil zionist apologists? what utter tosh.

what is your problem exactly? Do you not like your own beliefs as to what the truth is challenged? Is everyone who does not accept your world view a zionist apologist?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil has always been a huge diversionary argument - and it's worked soooo well. That was an interesting article posted by B.C. anyway - just backed up much that it already known.

The post-9/11 strategy is far more than some Neo-Con agenda - I don't think the Neo Cons had much power anyway when it came to getting things done on the ground - there is evidence of the Gulf War #1 being planned by GHW Bush in a meeting [with Carol Rosin also present] in 1975[?].

Some of this interest is commercial, some energy, some based on illicit narcotic markets but these are just shavings from the wider collective vision that above-government, occult-driven groups subscribe to.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, the War is for Oil - and the Oil is for israel
Editorial from Wake up from your slumber

Ever wonder where israel gets its oil from?

It's a very simple question that provides a very simple answer to another one: Who Benefits from the Iraq war and every other conflict in the Middle East?

In fact, the following concise summary from Slate.com should make it perfectly clear to everyone that when Greenspan said that the war in Iraq is for oil, what he really admitted in an indirect way was that the war in fact is for israel.

The leader of Hezbollah declared "open war" against Israel on Friday following the bombing of his offices in Beirut, Lebanon. The president of Iran has announced that if Israel were to expand the hostilities by attacking Syria, that would represent "an attack on the whole Islamic world and the regime will face a crushing response." Given the grim state of Arab-Israeli relations, where does Israel get its oil?

From Russia and former Soviet republics. Israel produces only a couple thousand barrels of oil a day, which means it relies on the global market for more than 99 percent of its consumption.

It's difficult to name all of the country's suppliers—in 2004, Israel's minister of national infrastructures admitted that "Israel's situation is complicated. We don't have diplomatic relations with most of the countries from which we import oil." But over the past 25 years, significant fuel imports have come from Angola, Colombia, Mexico, Egypt, and Norway. In more recent times, the Israelis have turned to Russia, Kazakhstan, and some of the other -stans for the bulk of their oil.

Israel has long sought a local source of oil, especially since the oil crisis of 1973. Having a nearby supplier would increase Israel's energy security and reduce the cost of its imports.

Iran filled that need for a while: Starting in 1968, the Israelis used a pipe called the "TIPline" to import Iranian oil from the Red Sea. But the shah was overthrown in 1979, and Iran shut off the tap. (These days, Israel lets the Russians use the TIPline to pump oil in the opposite direction.)

The Israelis gained access to another local source when they took control of Egyptian oil fields in Sinai after the Six-Day War.

Coincidence?

I don't think so.

When Israel agreed to return the fields in 1979, they wanted broad assurances about their access to oil imports. The peace treaty with Egypt stipulated that "Israel shall be fully entitled to make bids for Egyptian-origin oil not needed for Egyptian domestic oil consumption." An accompanying document outlined a deal with the United States that ensured Israeli oil supplies in times of crisis.

Egypt continues to provide oil, but its importance as a supplier has diminished as Israel's appetite has grown. In 1995, Egyptian oil accounted for one-third of Israel's fuel imports; by 2000 that fraction had shrunk to one-eighth. While Israel was forced to look elsewhere for oil, it maintained a warm relationship with Egypt, at least regarding energy. In 2005, the two countries signed an agreement on the trade of natural gas.

Meanwhile, Israel continues to seek nearby suppliers. In the lead-up to the war in Iraq, there was some talk of restarting an abandoned pipeline that runs from Mosul, Iraq, to Haifa. In order for this to happen, Israel would need to somehow wrangle the support of the Syrians, since they control part of the route.

Are you seeing a pattern here???

They need oil, they take Sinai. They don't give it back until they've secure guaranteed access to its oil.

They need oil, they kick off a war between the US and Iraq to secure cheap oil from Mosul to Haifa. But, Syria and Lebanon stand in the way, so they decimate Lebanon and now they're after Syria.

And of course, they've been itching to re-open the pipeline from Iran since it shut down in '79. Hence, israel's incessant call for the US to attack Iran.

Finally, israelis don't intend to end their quest for oil with Iran. They have other countries in their cross-hairs, like Saudi Arabia and their so-called "grand prize" - Egypt.

The Israelis have also tried to ramp up their own fuel production. A few weeks ago, they got some press for developing a new way to extract energy from the country's large reserves of "oil shale."

Why bother with peaceful innovative ways to produce energy when War is so much more effective?

Especially when they have US paying the price, with both our money and our lives.

In fact, israel's insatiable quest for oil and gas can even explain its relentless assault against Hamas in Gaza.

So, the next time someone tells you that the war in Iraq is for oil, you tell them - ABSOLUTELY! - and the oil, in turn, is for israel.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3696

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes a lot of sense to me.

Can anyone recommend a book about Zionist control over America? I'm new to the topic, and while I'm not sure that Israel is the be all and end all, I'd like to learn more.

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