State Funded Muslim Schools

[Iftikhar]

State Funded Muslim Schools

British schooling has been mis-educating and de-educating Muslim children for the last 50 years and for the first time the Muslim leadership openly declared that British school is a home of institutional racism where there is no place for foreign culture and languages. Institutional racism is depriving Muslim children of the chance to go to their own faith schools. It leads LEAs to reject or delay approval of Muslim schools. Policy makers like Mr. Graham Lane and others like him do not want to see even a single Muslim school in the United Kingdom. The British teachers have no respect for Islamic faith and Muslim community. Western education system can easily deprogram Muslim children and force them to adopt un-Islamic values. Let the Muslim parents decides how and where to educate their children. According to MORI social research institute on behalf of Bristol LEA, nine out of ten Muslim parents agreed with the model of an Islamic secondary school set up within the state system. I rejected British schooling for Muslim children in the early 70s.

A child who has English as a second language is seen as having a special need – not as having a skill to be lauded from the rooftops. Bilingual children think in different way. Language has a profound effect in shaping the ways people think and act. Certain concepts are embedded in words that do not translate. There are repertoires of phrases which exist in Arabic or Urdu because there is no English equivalent. State schools are slaughter houses and are not suitable for bilingual Muslim children. Muslim children in the UK may lose out when they join reception classes because the school’s values and language reflect those of the dominant native culture, rather than those of their home. Almost all recent research literature agrees that if you want children whose home language is not English to excel in English –medium schools, it is important to nurture and acknowledge that first language along side their English development. Cultivating bilingualism could and should promote pupil’s linguistic development. Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models.

Taxpayers’ money spent on schools should be handed to parents as vouchers to be used for their children’s education as they wished. Funds may be given to parents to set up their own schools. Lady Uddin argues strongly for the benefits of faith-based schooling, rejecting claims made in reports on the 2001 riots in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford that polarised schooling contributed to community division. Culturally separate groups, communities and institutions do not have to be the causes of social instability. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools to be managed and controlled by Muslim Educational Trust and Charities.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

[spiv]

As a 53 year old professional indigenous British male, who has been a taxpayer for many years, I see no argument whatsoever as to why there should be "Muslim" schools. Britain has, for hundreds of years, been a Christian country, and it is high time that believers in the Muslim faith respect and understand the traditional customs and faiths of this country.

School is to teach educational and practical skills to children, not to teach religion. That is for the church to teach.

I cannot agree with your arguments at all.

[Iftikhar]

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are paying all sorts of taxes and they are less burden on the social services. British schools have been failing majority of Muslim children for the last 50 years. Majority of them were and still unable to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. The reason is that state schools could not able to teach standard English to follow the National Curriculum. They were and still are victim of bullying and racism in schools. State schools are not in a position to teach them Arabic and Urdu languages so that can keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of Arabic and Urdu literature and poetry. Bilingualism is an asset and not a problem.

[spiv]

I don't know whether or not it is the law of the land, but assuming this policy is, that does not necessarily mean that I, as an indigenous British citizen, have to agree with it. If I move to any country in the world, I respect their customs and beliefs, and do not seek for my own culture and values to override theirs. Islam doctrines have made it quite clear that it intends to 'take over the world'!!! Islamists have recently and notably demonstated over the rather silly Danish Cartoons, and Muslims make it very clear how they view our faiths and cultures.

May I ask you one question, what would be the reaction of Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia for example, if I were to go to their countries and demand that the taxpayers pay for "Christian" schools??

[blackcat]

I lived in Saudi Arabia for years and I can tell you that you run the risk of Jail for wearing a crucifix so I think the idea of Christian schools is a no-no. All religions are junk. There should be no state funding for any of them. Its as absurd as a Muslim Fire brigade or a Christian coal mine. Religious indoctrination should take place at the victim's home.

[Dog]

couldn't agree more, Blackcat.

"We reach out and pray
To a deaf, dumb and blind God who never explains."

The sooner this bs is dispensed with, the sooner we'll have peace.

Any argument to the contrary fills my throat with bile.

[insidejob]

Spiv,

[spiv]

Insidejob, don't give me your rhetoric, it is clear that Islam wishes to be the predominate religion in the world. Is this not what the Prophet Mohammed extols?? Do these images not mean anything?? http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/29.htm

This gallery is what Islam seems to stand for. Absolutely shocking, isn't it!!! http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm

[scar]

[spiv]

Scar, I agree to some extent with you. I am not particularly religous myself, but acknowledge that I live in a Christian country. Indeed, some of my family and friends are very religous.

However, living in a Christian country allows me the freedom to choose whether I practice a religion or not. Islam allows no dissenters.

And still no Muslim has answered my question posed above - what would be the reaction of Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia for example, if I were to go to their countries and demand that the taxpayers pay for "Christian" schools??

[blackcat]

[sonic]

Can I remind everyone that this is a forum for 911 truth seeking and research.

I didn't think it was a forum for arguing about religion for goodness sake.

Please give it a rest

Peace,

Sonic

[blackcat]

[Mission911]

[Jane]

I've just found this little film below whilst looking for another - the one below it. When the Hells Angel chap mentioned that the boys from Leeds had been reading/watching work by Harun Yahya whom he claimed was "promoting terrorism" I had to laugh as I came across his work recently. Like David Icke, it is basically saying that we live "In The Matrix" it makes me feel that we are up against is the material world itself! This probably sounds quite bonkers!

I seem to be coming up against this message over and over again, and the fact that I get so upset (and nasty one trcent occassion - I can only say I'm sorry again, Scar) and frustrated at times is that I do feel so trappedd in "The Matrix" or whatever it is - whilst whils receiving little glimpses now and then that there is "another reality" going on which is much better than this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TiIwivBIvI&search=the%20secret%20beyon d%20matter

http://www.harunyahya.com/m_video_detail.php?api_id=1271

[John White]

Excellent finds Jane, thankyou

Iftikhar doesnt make it clear if the intial post was written by him or not: I suspect a cut n paste, but I'll go with the assumption that he agrees with the views

Religion as the basis for a school curriculum is a bad idea: regardless of the religion. We need schools to provide a common framework we can all agree on: Religion has never been able to do that. Faith and cultural tradition is the role of family: an open mind might wonder in what ways the state taking over the responsibility of providing that teaching from parents has weakened society over the last 100 years. Whilst I dont agree with the assertation that muslim schools are the way forward for the Muslim community, its all to easy to understand why that appears to be an attractive solution. Comparisons with other cultures are equally easy to make, but not truly relevant: however things are done in Saudi Arabia, the issue is how Britons who happen to be Muslims can school or not school their children. Theres a lot of things that happen in lots of places i'd rather not see happen here: some of them involve fanatical christianity.

Its also clear (and saddening) how the insidious tendrils of a pro-christian school life has subtely shaped and structured the thinking of many of the other comments on this thread

Where we have all been let down is by the incompletness of all our educations. Ive learned more as an adult than I ever did as a child, and I suspect many of us could say the same. A particular point of significance in religous history is the merging of the diverse groups of early chrisitanity with the trappings and structure of the Sol Invinctus cult that grew into Roman Catholicism. Without that unhappy blending, Islam and Chrisitianity could very well be considered to be the same: what a mockery all our manufactured fears are

A particular research point to illustrate the above is with the Roman Catholic insitance that authority lies not with the scripture, but with the church: and its definition as heresy of questioning the same

One might wonder at the insistance on Sun-day as the day of rest instead of the scriptually perscribed Saturday. Herein lies the schism that led to protestantism and the fundamental (irreconcilable) difference of opinion betwen Roman Catholisim (Roman universal Religion) and Seventh Day Adventists: a clue to where and how the church of Rome derived its authority

The essential tragedy of all religion is how easily we all are manipulated when we place our attention with outside temporal authorites to define our connection to our creator, when all the guidance man ever needed is provided by his own soul

If we knew to do that, this "problem" would not exist

[Jane]

This is the kind of crazy place "religion" can take you to (although I can be quite "crazy" myself, I know!):

[John White]

Definately.

Reminds me of Saint Bill (Hicks)

[Leiff]

A lot of religion has been hijacked by the New World Order to fool people into accepting world government.

They are keen for religion to be taught in schools so as to brainwash and indoctrinate the youth with these concepts that are useful to the New World Order's diabolic plans for a world government.

E.G.

Armageddon prophesy

The second coming of Christ

A kingdom of God on Earth.

IMHO

Any armageddon will be caused by the New World Order.

Any second coming of Christ will in fact be the Anti-Christ.

The only kingdom of God is in Heaven - a non-physical kingdom.

The New World Order are blasphemous Pharisees who have subverted our religions for their own twisted purposes.