Politicking putting this forum & campaign at risk

Anthony Lawson · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: The likes of Rick Segal?!

The likes of Rick Segal?!

James C · Major Poster Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1046

I'm sure that Tony Gosling's intentions are good but I too have little faith in the man.

Like the other criticisms posted here, I have noticed how he has time and time again distorted matters to suit himself, not least, and this is my allegation, changing the status of those who post just because he disagrees with their views. I am, of course, speaking personally here as someone who a few weeks ago suddenly found myself labeled as a 9/11 truth critic and then a few days ago lost my validated poster status. Now I can be blunt and have been told off by the other mods for it but to change one's status is just petty and shows an element of fascism which is strange considering the site we are on. I'd be happy to retract this accusation and apologize if I am proved wrong.

Tony reminds me of those people who pretend not to be racist or homophobic but who in reality think otherwise. He claims to be anti-big brother and there to support the common man yet his actions confirm an extreme lack of tolerance and a desire to control all and sundry.

andyb · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject:

TonyGosling · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject:

Errr.... yes I am serious.
What I sent you was an exact copy of this public forum post
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=116085#116085
which was already on the forum - to draw it to your attention.

I don't approve people, Ian Neal does.

andyb · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject:

I didn't realise you'd just copied and pasted Tony, so apologies if I was a bit hasty. I wasn't aware that Ian approved new users and was under the understanding it had been yourself. I still know of certain people waiting to get approved.

ian neal · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject:

Yeah I had missed few. I've just approved those who awaiting.

TonyGosling · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject:

Rory Winter · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:31 am Post subject:

Who or what is www.911forum.org.uk?

Is this a mirror-site of Nineeleven? If so, under whose ownership? If this means that Tony has mirrored the Nineeleven forum on a mirror-site which he owns then the question of whether or not he should be given copies of the Nineeleven archives all becomes rather academic, does it not?

Seems to me he's already got 'em! Smart move, Tony. Now what you gonna do? Rewrite history? Remove those you've declared non-persons? When's the victory parade?

Bet you're chuckling how you pulled a fast one on everyone when we wusn't looking! Dancing Banana

scubadiver · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:16 am Post subject:

This development makes me feel uneasy about the campaign

chrisc · Validated Poster Joined: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 154

Rory Winter · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject:

Thanks for that, chrisc. Your instructions worked. So what's the point of having a frame? And does it stay intact even if the parent site was removed?

Shows just how uneasy it's made many of us feel. This is not a healthy regime. Sad

chrisc · Validated Poster Joined: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 154

Rory Winter · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject:

chrisc · Validated Poster Joined: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 154

Rory Winter · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject:

chrisc · Validated Poster Joined: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 154

Rory Winter · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject:

outsider

Rory Winter · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject:

paul wright · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:21 am Post subject:

Anyway, Nick's comments put online where anyone can and have scooped them up reveals uttermost naivete or stupidity
He's almost written a book on 7/7 and then he balls it up with this stuff
Nick, how stupid or perfidious can you be?
I hosted this guy and cannot believe he has messed with the movement in this way
Is it his connection with the BBC that has led him to this?
Tristan (BBC) has an an arm and a leg to trash us on this

Rory Winter · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:52 am Post subject:

ian neal · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:54 am Post subject:

xmasdale · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject:

I think the British 9/11 Truth Campaign should write a disclaimer, signed by the co-chairs and send it immediately to the Jewish Chronicle, Blairwatch and any other interested party.

Having said that I am sorry for Nick because I have never heard him express hate towards anyone and he is most definitely not a Nazi, nor even right-wing. I think his error is naivety in not realising that if you express any kind of view which doubts even details in the official story about the holocaust, you upset a very well-organised and powerful lobby who will seek to destroy your reputation.

No one should expect to be able to deal with this issue in a gentlemanly way. It is not a discussion about cricket.

ian neal · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject:

xmasdale

Rory Winter · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject:

Ian, isn't it a bit harsh to say that we wish to have no association with its originator? To dissociate from certain views is one thing but we shouldn't allow ourselves to fall victim to an ADL-style witch-hunt.

As well as that I believe 911 Truth should hold its ground and be quite clear that it promotes the freedom of expression within the given parameters. If we don't do that we also will be scalped by the Zionist Lobby.

Incidentally, the 8 Million Muslim Holocaust appears to be an Achilles Heel.

I challenged Rachel of NL twice on why she never mentions the 8 Million Muslim Holocaust on her blog (lead article at present). She answered the first & then got flustered and shut down the dialogue. So the second challenge never got published! Full of angst about things PC while studiously ignoring the real world!

(As of Saturday 26 April, I note that Aunty Rachel has entirely removed all my comments from her lead article! Very Happy

)

The Zionist Lobby aren't as powerful as they'd like to make out; they should be confronted & their hysteria challenged. We should hold our position as if it were another Stalingrad! Wink

I have observed that the Zionist Lobby has a predatory nature in that it preys on the collective guilt of European gentiles. That guilt is precisely the weakness which drives gentiles to adopt PC positions about the Holocaust. But where there is no guilt (as one of south Asian origins I carry no sense of guilt for what Europe's Christians may have done in the past) they can be met and dealt with on level ground.

Zionists thrive on chutzpah so why not just reflect that attitude right back?

chrisc · Validated Poster Joined: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 154

Anthony Lawson

What happened to the Quest for Truth?

Busker · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:48 am Post subject:

Psst!

[whispers]

This is all a distraction.

Stick to 9/11 and don't be dragged off onto other subjects.

Anyone with "product" to sell will have their own angle to do just that, sell their product.

Let's keep to the facts as we know them eh folks?

outsider · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:11 am Post subject:

Why don't all the 'Holocaust Deniers', anti-Semites and their apologists toddle off like good little Nazis and post on a Combat 88, NF or BNP forum? Haven't they got the message that their sorry ass*s aren't wanted here? Apart from the fact that it is offensive in the extreme to Jews in general and survivinng victims and relatives of victims of the Nazis in particular, as well as the great majority of non-Jews, it plays into the hands of 9/11 Truth enemies, and I'm sure that these 'Freedom of Speech' merchants cannot be unaware of the fact that 'Holocaust Denial' has been used to smear our campaign, and to lobby for our sites to be closed down. Is that the object of the exercise??
Toddle off, peddle your repulsive poison elsewhere, and do us all a favour.
If I were a Moderator, you would get one warning (providing your post was not too abusive) and then you would be banned. I do not wish to be a Moderator, I have neither the time not inclination for such a thankless task.

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