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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Divided we fall Reply with quote

Food for thought and worthy of further debate imo:-

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22.09.2007 12:25

Sir, I am part of the 911 Truth Campaign in a broad sense such as I have been to many of the meetings, use the www.nineeleven.co.uk website and have distributed materials produced by them. To say they have acheived 'nothing' is to say that distributing thousands of leaflets acheives 'nothing'. It is to say that having speakers on 911 including the last man out of the twin towers William Rodriguez speak to thousands across the UK has acheived 'nothing'. If you were to say they had acheived 'little' then yes, I could agree.

I also belive in the hard facts and educating people to them as do most people in the Truth movement. By labelling anyone involved with 911 Truth Campaign as a 'conspiraloon' is certainly not going to win people to your campaign as if you set a new group up then no doubt the people would come to you would mostly be those from 9/11 Truth Campaign.

I understand your frustrations at the movement in the UK. I feel that there is a controlling government hand in there keeping the activities to a minimum for example I have given my info before now to help out and they have not contacted me. There meetings are more like a show where their selected speakers have their say and then we all leave. Individual action is not encouraged.

All movements have a controlling hand in them depending how successful they are. The Stop the War Coalition is the most blatantly government run movement I have experienced. But to sweep everyone who is a party to these groups is unfair.
Rich


Source: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/09/381697.html?c=on#c181915



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few points in reply to the initial article and to Rich's reply

1) The initial article is old news, but as I say and Ian Crane says in reply, if others want to establish an alternative group or campaign to press for the truth about 9/11 please go ahead and do so. We don't all need to operate as one or even under one umbrella and surely events over the past year demonstrate that whilst there may be unity in calling for a new investigation, there is not unity in terms of how to campaign and on the basis of what evidence. I see a plurality of approaches to campaigning to be wholly positive (provided any squabbles between different approaches is kept to a minimum). I also note that rational 's promise to form an alternative campaign has come to nothing unless it is seriously under the radar.

2) In reply to Rich, I just say that I'm not aware of his offer although he may well have been made it. The campaign is open to offers of practical support and as things stand to chair/co-ordinate the campaign but these offers need to be specific and not general and vague and need to be backed up with the commitment to deliver. So for example the campaign needs both someone to manage the campaign site's content and make it dynamic and to establish a 'press office', but then this offer has been open for the last year since the last AGM.

Any proposal would I suggest need to show how these functions remain accountable to the wider committee in order to ensure that any one individual doesn't hijack these functions to promote their own practicular slant on 9/11. The system of 3 co-chairs that we currently have allows this but whoever steps up at the next AGM may need to propose an alternative way of making decisions.

I would argue that last year we were fairly active (see 2007 review) but also agree we (as in a collective we) could have done more. The failure to do so has everything to do with a lack of capacity (money, people, time) and practical offers of support and nothing as far as I can see to do with a controlling government hand. I fundamentally disagree with Rich when he says individual action is not encouraged. Whilst there will always be an issue about the extent to which individual action should be seen to be done under the campaign's name (since there is then a danger that the campaign becomes to be seen to reflect that individual's actions) from day one the network and later the campaign has actively encouraged people to do just that: To take the initiative and undertake individual action and indeed once I step down as co-chair at the next AGM, that is what I plan to do.

Pikey I know you strongly buy into the need for us to remain united and I agree, but this will only be possible if we unite under the same basic call for 9/11 to be reinvestigated whilst not worrying about the diverse range of ways that people go about campaigning for this goal. It also requires that the campaign develops the capacity to present itself professionally, but that is a challenge for someone else to take on.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Divided we fall Reply with quote

Pikey wrote:
Source: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/09/381697.html?c=on#c181915


The correct URL is:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/09/381697.html?c=on#c181271

I didn't notice Ian Crane posting to that thread, I posted a couple of comments:

Problems, problems...
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/09/381697.html?c=on#c181354

Is a new investigation the answer?
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/09/381697.html?c=on#c181413

And as I said on the Truth Watch thread I think the author of the article, "Rational", might be the same person / people who are behind Truth Watch and who have replaced Nico Haupt as the site most favoured by the 9/11 Cult Watch blog... Rolling Eyes

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