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What a complete load of bollox
No mention of careful interweaves or microwaved stems or complex geometry
The crappiest most nonsensical crop circle video etc etc....
Doug n Dave ? -News of Screws' reader safe refuge!
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http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/tv_crop_circles.html
| Quote: | THE GREAT A&E AND DISCOVERY CHANNEL CROP CIRCLES HOAX.
Many of you in the U.S. will have seen the TV documentaries aired by A&E and The Discovery Channel about the crop circles phenomenon, namely 'Where are the UFOs?', 'The Mystery of the Crop Circles' and an episode of Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World. You should be aware that both stations are using dishonest practices in portraying the making and reporting of the crop circle phenomenon.
Researchers were conned into doing 'unbiased' interviews and submitting research for documentaries that, at the time, were portrayed as fair-minded attempts to broadcast a balanced view of the phenomenon. Once these stations had the necessary material, the producers were apparently told to blatantly ignore the bulk of the factual data and instead, through the cunning use of selective editing techniques, portray the whole phenomenon as the work of pranksters and hoaxers such as Doug and Dave.
In one segment, Colin Andrews' aerial footage and interview was followed by night footage showing two people constructing a circle in the dark. The film material used for the night-time making of a crop circle was borrowed from a 1991 film by skeptic John MacNish who decided that the phenomenon could be hoaxed. He arranged for people to make a simple formation at night while he filmed them with night vision cameras. This film was then used to convey the idea that all this was caught on camera by surprise. They then proceeded to set up noted researcher Colin Andrews by having the farmer call him to have the formation investigated in the morning. Colin expressed doubts as to its authenticity, but none of this was conveyed in the programs aired.
John MacNish also claimed that the TV stations knew that the footage he had given them was of a staged event. He himself expressed disgust that it had been misused, and went on to say that when the programs' researcher, Mary Benjamin, phoned him she asked what material he had to use in a program "with a skeptical slant." Mary later told Colin that A&E had asked for a skeptical spin on the material. This has the hallmarks of a set up, but since Colin had not gone along with it they omitted his analysis of the hoax.
In another segment, Doug and Dave are seen planking a perfectly clean piece of wheat field; what we do not see is the pathetic mess they accomplished (in daylight), and instead the action cuts to the beautiful Froxfield Flower crop circle pattern which not only was a genuine formation, but was made two years after Doug and Dave's retirement.
This disinformation practice had been previously used with great affect by the British Government to debunk and ridicule the crop circles phenomenon back in 1991, which succeeded in culling public interest at the time. D&D's story as the men who conned the world has been traced to a secret military establishment.
To date, no man-made crop circle has yet exhibited the unusual features found in genuine formations. |
The Bluffer's Bluff is called:- http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/articles/schnabel/
Lucy Pringle's homepage :- http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/
Stacks of photographs of crop circles here :- http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2007/aug.shtml
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he should demostrate how he does these complex circles overnight and in the dark. that would be intresting.
hoax crop circles? or hoax claimer claiming to be responsible?
i have no idea. |
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| Quote: | Crop Circles exposed once and for all?
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he should demostrate how he does these complex circles overnight and in the dark. that would be intresting.
hoax crop circles? or hoax claimer claiming to be responsible?
i have no idea. but obviously believers of either side are going to cling to their beliefs. |
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I thought it had been proven that crop circles were caused by NASA satelites. Firing MASERs.
In other words, the crop circles have been produced by microwave laser
technology. This technology is used by the military.
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Are we sure Brokeback Mountain isn't based upon this gentleman's recollections?
Straight off, I am not stating that crop circles are the work of anything from off-world, however, marky makes a good point - how exactly are the complex designs done in darkness, in just a few hours without leaving a trace of human hand being responsible?
There are cases where people have camped out overlooking fields and the next morning there is a stonking design shaped in the crop - yet no lights (torches etc) have been seen - night vision glasses?
When you sit and look at the fine detail - I can understand how a simple circle might be manufactured by a plank and bit of string - but the rest?
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| karlos wrote: | I thought it had been proven that crop circles were caused by NASA satelites. Firing MASERs.
In other words, the crop circles have been produced by microwave laser
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Any chance of a link to the 'proof'?
I would add that I looked into this some months ago and there are some suggestions it is what you suggest, however one such author says;
| Quote: | | This is how crop circles are made, with a computer guided maser satellite, by bored artistic militaries. Period. |
Are we to accept that operators can simply doodle a design on the planet's surface on a whim? How would they justify firing a military weapon on a 'friendly'? There would be a record of it. What if Brokeback and his buddies were planking out a 'fake' circle or a courting couple were in the throws of passion under the maser?
This is indeed difficult to accept.
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I think people need to consider the more intricate designs of Crop circles that have been 'cropping' up in recent years.
There are a few rules about Crop Circles that are nearly always observed.
In Britain a majority are made on chalk land,hence why they mainly happen i the south.
Often a 'circle' can appear within an hour.
Then of course you come accross those that display amazing scenes of scientific foumulae, febinicci spirals, DNA, Mandala's.
If these guys are hoaxing this, they are amazing, nipping into fields, barely disrupting the crops with their interference, barely making a mistake on the most intricate of design and bending corn with little to no effort.
I can accept that a basic design can be reasonably easily man made, but these amazing works of natural art, I'm not so sure.
Whether it is a bored military operator, a natural phenomenon, hoaxers, aliens or the universe screaming at us I don't know.
But I will say this they are absolutely incredible things and works of incredible complexity and beauty, when something like this occurs, snubbing at it just offends. |
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| Quote: | I can accept that a basic design can be reasonably easily man made, but these amazing works of natural art, I'm not so sure.
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that is where i stand also.
they proberbly have nothing to do with 'aliens'. but it is hard to believe the more complex examples are done by a few people after dark also.
there are two possibilities imo.
they are hoax crop patterns but on a higher level than a few men with wooden boards etc. ie: human technology causeing them.
or they are replies that have something to do with the u.f.o technology alien or otherwise.
people have been making patterns on the ground that when seen from above create a large picture for thousands of years. yet we have only had the capability to fly since the last century. so whos benefit were they making them for? gods?
the nazca lines being an example. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/barada/267/Siriusly/ancient-nazca.h tml
if there are aliens flying around in what we call u.f.o's then it is'nt hard to imagine them thinking that the basic crop circles were some form of communication between us and them. they may have been replying in the same way.
or of course its simply all a human hoax but it has been stepped up to a higher level to make people believe aliens are responsible. |
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Its funny but the Alien angle to propagate a hoax or belief in aliens doesn't really wash with me.
I'll explain why, Crop circle have been appearing for many years now (recorded since the 1970's), yet our interest in them has waned massively after the initial news reports and observations. To the point now where the most complex designs are neither reported, noticed other than by those that research it.
Like many things the general public just doesn't seem to care that much about it and research is left to the independent, who more often than not is tarred with the 'tin foil hat' stereotype.
If it was being used as an elaborate hoax to encourage belief in aliens, surely here would be a more concerted effort from the media to promote and wonder in awe at what is being done.
So the jury for me on the propagating he elaborate alien hoax side of things is out. |
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| Quote: | If it was being used as an elaborate hoax to encourage belief in aliens, surely here would be a more concerted effort from the media to promote and wonder in awe at what is being done.
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you make a good point. i did'nt think of that. your right if it was to promote belief in aliens the media would be all over it. |
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That wouid be great if that is actually what is happening Tony.
There's a general public 'meh' to crop circles, so not quite the public roar about Aliens you just described.
I can't remember the last time I saw anything much about Crop circles in the mainstream media, a bit of titillation in he Sun doesn't count.
If it is just art, then these guys need to be celebrated, paid and displayed as heroes of natural art. |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | | they just do it for a bit of fun - its art - nothing elaborate about it - and part of the fun I imagine is seeing your work on the front page of the sun and people going into apoplexies of alien madness |
why has it never been demonstrated how they acheive the complex patterns?
where does all this crop circle stuff fit into the alien hoax scenerio you believe in?
surely if they wanted us to believe in aliens these crops circles would be reported as soon as they are found on the main news programmes.
why dos'nt somebody make a documentary with these crop circle makers so we can watch them make complex patterns overnight? if that was done this subject would be done and dusted.
no instead we get demonstrations of very basic circles and people claiming things they later fail to prove.
i could easily go on camera and claim im responsible for crop circles, for a bit of publicity. proving it is a different matter all together.
these hoaxes need to show how they do the complex patterns overnight IMO. |
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the alien hoax scenerio contradicts itself all the time.
they want to condition us into believing in aliens yet:
rosewell did'nt happened, crop cricles are made by humans with a plank of wood and all the sightings are a weather balloon or a chinese lantern.
seems more like there is more effort to make us believe there are no such things as aliens rather than conditioning us to believe in aliens. |
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| karlos wrote: | I thought it had been proven that crop circles were caused by NASA satelites. Firing MASERs.
In other words, the crop circles have been produced by microwave laser
technology. This technology is used by the military. |
Wow! If they can do that, perhaps Judy is right about her DEW?  |
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| Quote: | I can accept that a basic design can be reasonably easily man made, but these amazing works of natural art, I'm not so sure.
Whether it is a bored military operator, a natural phenomenon, hoaxers, aliens or the universe screaming at us I don't know.
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maybe it's being kept on the simmer for the alien agenda.
I share Carlos' view on this, while the more simple forms can be done by people the more complex geometric patterns are the result of lasers, I have seen in some an anomaly in the pattern say a blunt edge instead of a point, this is then mirrored vertically and horizontally with the rest of the design to complete the pattern, hence you see the same error copied throughout the pattern. The type of complex patterns you see would be a cinch to draw up in any of a variety of digital imaging packages. |
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| telecasterisation wrote: | Are we sure Brokeback Mountain isn't based upon this gentleman's recollections?
Straight off, I am not stating that crop circles are the work of anything from off-world, however, marky makes a good point - how exactly are the complex designs done in darkness, in just a few hours without leaving a trace of human hand being responsible?
There are cases where people have camped out overlooking fields and the next morning there is a stonking design shaped in the crop - yet no lights (torches etc) have been seen - night vision glasses?
When you sit and look at the fine detail - I can understand how a simple circle might be manufactured by a plank and bit of string - but the rest?
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This is something else I figured out. Its simple. Get a steerable Maser on a gyropscopic platform at altitude. Helicopter probably. You can keep the thing still and trace out patterns. Stems show signs of microwaving.
I studied some patterns in detain and showed that CAD was used
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I see MASERs have come up in this thread. I have suggested this before, but not from sattelites. I think easier from a few hundred feet than miles.
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Anyway. I think this thread has achieved one thing. That guys with planks aren't achieving amazingly complex and meaningful designs in the dead and dark of night. That something else is going on
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| TonyGosling wrote: | | There was a challenge 3 years ago or so they said they's make any circle that people said was by aliens and they did too. |
Any chance of a link?
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| Quote: | maybe it's being kept on the simmer for the alien agenda.
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that may be the case, but then what ever anybody says may be the case.
what alien agenda? all the signs from the media, NASA and goverments and especially UK/US is that there is no such thing as aliens.
the establishments spend more time debunking it than promoting it.
wether balloon, ice crystals, space junk, chinese laterns, the back burner of a jet, men with planks hoaxing people, its peoples imagintion, conspiracy nuts, wacko's, i could go on and on and on.
so whats the alien hoax theory based on? aliens the movie? numerous movies showing alien attacks?
there are just as many showing alien unity man and alien working side by side. there are many films based on animal attacks also.
so other than films what signs have the goverments/media etc given that shows they want us all to believe in little green men?
also how many people on here have said or believe that the u.f.o subject for example can only be aliens 100%?
the only place i can find those who believe in aliens being responsible for everything (u.f.o's/crop circles etc) are certain websites on the internet and certain videos on youtube/google.
the vast majority of humanity either believe there is no such thing or it is just a possibility. a very small amount are convinced it can only be aliens and is aliens. |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | If you watch the film that's exactly what they ARE saying. That with a bit of pranksterism you can make people believe anything.
Whether you like it or not the people on the film get a strange kick out of people telling them that they can't make the circles they've just made.
They see it as a kind of notoriety through art.
There was a challenge 3 years ago or so they said they's make any circle that people said was by aliens and they did too.
I suppose it's a sort of clique rather than a cult. |
Get off, Tony
Didn't you learn anything from your time in Totnes?
The real stuff isn't and couldn't be done by guys with planks
That's a complete and incredible nonsense that's been sucked up by the main media, and while I know Banksy's pretty incredible, this doesn't compare
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what alien agenda? all the signs from the media, NASA and goverments and especially UK/US is that there is no such thing as aliens.
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They want us to believe in aliens.
You see in the past the commies were the enemy.
Today the muslims are the enemy.
And once that is exposed as a pack of lies a new enemy - the aliens will emerge.
This will lead to a one world government and marshall law worldwide.
There is no such thing as aliens except in the creative minds of PNAC and others. While the war against Muslims is going well there is no need for them to implement plan B - aliens.
By going well i mean alot of people are being fooled into supporting it.
When that support disappears a new enemy would need to be found.
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| karlos wrote: | | marky 54 wrote: |
what alien agenda? all the signs from the media, NASA and goverments and especially UK/US is that there is no such thing as aliens.
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They want us to believe in aliens.
You see in the past the commies were the enemy.
Today the muslims are the enemy.
And once that is exposed as a pack of lies a new enemy - the aliens will emerge.
This will lead to a one world government and marshall law worldwide.
There is no such thing as aliens except in the creative minds of PNAC and others. While the war against Muslims is going well there is no need for them to implement plan B - aliens.
By going well i mean alot of people are being fooled into supporting it.
When that support disappears a new enemy would need to be found. |
if you read the whole post instead of quoting a little section of your liking you'd see i was asking for what the evidence is to support it.
because i see no signs whatsoever that this scenerio is being promoted in the mainstream.
if anything i see the opposite. but you have avoided the point of my post altogether and just repeated the 'alien agenda' scenerio without showing where it comes from or what supports it.
you have a belief, it sould'nt be hard to go and find things that support your belief.
i am the one asking for things that go against my beliefs and against the things i see on a daily basis, i am not the one simply repeating what i already believe. hence a link or two to things that could change my mind would be great.
i am not looking to simply cherry pick evidence that fit my beliefs. hence i enquire about the details of things that go AGAINST my beliefs.
i did'nt ask somebody to repeat their beliefs, which is all you did karlos, i asked for evidence and where in the mainstream this scenerio is evident ?. |
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For what it is worth I say Doug and Dave are bullshitters of the highest order and they know it.
That's not to say they have never made a pretty pattern in a corn field with a piece of string and a plank, but that is a long way from saying that all crop circles can be explained by Doug and Dave clones. |
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| Quote: | | They are the real McCoy, sorry if it doesn't fit into your world-view. |
the fact doug and dave fits some peoples world view in a way of an explaination that confirms what they already believed is exactly the reason why some swallow the doug and dave claims as explaining ALL crop circles.
its the same reason why some perfectly accept the nist report as an explaination for building collapses.
the complex crop circles cannot be co-ordinated from the ground at night without errors or being unperfect.
perfect straight lines, perfect spacing, each shape has the exact same mass as identical shapes. no mistakes working in the night from ground level. some of these crop circles cannot of been done without the aid of some sort of computer technology aid.
i cannot even draw patterns so perfect on a piece of paper without a ruler, compass, plus other instruments and thats looking down at the whole sheet, not on ground level.
doug and dave and people like them = easy to make and basic crop circles. the complex ones are very doubtful.
but if your convinced its doug and dave and likeminded people who do these complex patterns then i suppose there is no reasoning with people untill they are willing to look properly rather than cling to the first explaination that comes along as though it was the nist report.
i'll believe it when a proper explaination has been given, rather than an old bloke claiming on camera to be responsible but all they show is a very very very basic circle in a field.
are there any documentary makers out there? heres on that needs making. lets watch doug and dave create detailed faces in the corn over night. then i'll believe it. |
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