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First plane strike footage NOT Naudet brothers?

 
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:08 pm    Post subject: First plane strike footage NOT Naudet brothers? Reply with quote

Sorry if i am behind the times with this one.

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/01/wtc1-strike-2.avi

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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good find fish,conclusive proof of an explosion.
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: More no plane evidence Reply with quote

Not sure about this.

This could be evidence that there was no plane but an explosion, but…

But, we don’t know whether the camera, due to its angle, would have captured the plane entering the building.

Also, the explosion doesn’t look that big. The first plane explosion we all saw was a lot bigger.

And the TV news commentator gives no impression that this film contradicts the official explanation. And if it did, would they be showing it?

I don’t agree with the abuse of the no plane theory. Firstly, there is evidence of no planes, although clearly not conclusive. Eyewitnesses on the day insisted they saw the first explosion and insisted there was no plane.

There is, though, the argument that the no plane theory is deliberate misinformation by the perpetrators to make the 911 Truth Movement look silly. Yet, supporters of this idea must believe that the perpetrators would promote the no plane theory when the perpetrators’ own plans involved no planes on two of the four attacks. Why promote the no plane theory when 50% of your own plans used no planes? It’s a bit risky.
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My take on this is that the camera is to the south of Manhattan (Brooklyn Battery Tunnel)
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Brooklyn&ie=UTF8&ll =40.701333,-74.007683&spn=0.028436,0.058365&z=14

The North Tower is obscured by the South Tower. Consequently the explosion looks small.

At 8:46:27 a shape can be seen moving towards the Tower.

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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Open to big screen. Run the thing backwards frame by frame using mouse. You can see a fuselage 'coming out' of the building looks like quite a steep angle. Running backwards the camera is panning out so resolution drops before you can see the plane in the sky, but you can see it 'emerge' from the building clearly. You could calculate speed and angle of approach and compare with Naudet's film for corroboration.
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Still no plane Reply with quote

Rodin,

I took your advice and slowly played it forwards rather than backwards. I still see no plane.

Something appears from nowhere and strikes the building before the larger blast. But it could be a missile rather than a plane. The plane makes no approach whatsoever. And it can't be because it's going so fast because we see the plane strike the building in other footage.

This film is v strange.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you capture a still and post it here?

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: More no plane evidence Reply with quote

insidejob wrote:
Firstly, there is evidence of no planes


Some resources to the contrary:

from http://911disinformation.com

Videos

Plane Photos

Plane Parts

Eyewitnesses

Eyewitnesses (1st Hand)

Eyewitnesses (2nd Hand)

Earwitnesses

Plane Debris Eyewitnesses

Miscellaneous Eyewitnesses


see also:

from http://georgewashington.blogspot.com

No Planes Theory: R.I.P.

The Fatal Flaw in the No Plane Theory

and:

from http://arabesque911.blogspot.com

9/11 Disinformation and Misinformation: Definitions and Examples

September Clues, TV Fakery: Debunked

The 9/11 Plane Theories and the "Conspiracy Theory Method"

and:

from http://journalof911studies.com

A Critical Review of WTC 'No Plane' Theories by Eric Salter

Interpreting the Boeing-767 Deceleration During Impact with the WTC Tower: Center of Mass Versus Tail-end Motion, and Instantaneous Versus Average Velocity by Dr Greg Jenkins

and finally:

Debunking "September Clues" by Nick Irving

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Still no plane Reply with quote

insidejob wrote:
Rodin,

I took your advice and slowly played it forwards rather than backwards. I still see no plane.

Something appears from nowhere and strikes the building before the larger blast. But it could be a missile rather than a plane. The plane makes no approach whatsoever. And it can't be because it's going so fast because we see the plane strike the building in other footage.

This film is v strange.


Do it full screen - play backwards manuallt - you will see a silver pencil like object emerge at an angle from the blast. Only visible 2 frames. The previous frames were lower resoltuion - you can check this with other objects. All go out of focus

It 'could' be a missile but its scale is commensurate with a 737

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should have twigged this before. The explosion is the one on the east face of the Tower. We cannot see the actual impact of the shape against the north face.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

numeral wrote:
I should have twigged this before. The explosion is the one on the east face of the Tower. We cannot see the actual impact of the shape against the north face.


I can

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