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| Quote: | They're playing games with your credulity, can't you see?
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no. they are being used as an example to explain ALL crop circles, some of which would take more than a few blokes with a plank. i fully accept some if not most crop circles are hoaxed by people like doug and dave.
but their antics dos'nt explain all of them because they would be impossible to do overnight with a few people without being spotted and without making errors.
| Quote: | Some people want to believe in aliens whether they are doing this or not doesn't seem to matter.
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im sure some people do, but just because they do dos'nt mean doug and dave explain the more complex crop circles.
| Quote: | | If you don't acknowledge that you've closed your mind off to the possibility of their pranks. |
i do not disbelieve them, i fully accept there are hoaxes and pranks, ive never closed my mind off to that.
but that dos'nt mean im going to accept the first explaination that dos'nt add up or explain complex crop circles/patterns.
im not looking to satisfy a belief i already have, those that are, are gatekeeping without even realising it. if i was trying to satisfy my belief i would of either dismissed doug and dave altogether and said they are responsible for none to keep my belief in aliens being a possibility alive, or accepted their explainations as explaining ALL crop circles to keep my belief in there being no such thing as aliens alive. the problem is if you drop your beliefs and think about what it would take to make some of these complex patterns and circles it is evident doug and dave do not explain ALL crop circles.
now i am sorry if that keeps a 'unknown' over certain patterns and circles and gives those who believe it was aliens who did them some reason to keep their theory for some patterns and circles at least, but i am not going to deny something for the sake of it, or just to be right. but there are still many possible answers other than aliens(which the mainstream media etc ridicule, not promote) even with a 'unknown' tag, the answer is still more likely human made, but it has to be a more advanced method if it is.
http://www.circlemakers.org/totc2001.html
17 August 2001: Awe inspiring, jaw dropping, mind warping, incomprehensible, bloody huge, are a few phrases that come to mind when viewing this years "finale" formation which was discovered on top of Milk Hill in Wiltshire above the White Horse on 13th August. It's difficult to take on board the sheer scale and complexity of this formation it spans ten tram lines and if you walked from one side of the formation to the other you would have covered approaching 1500ft! Compare that to the average diameter of formations this year which is approx 200ft. There are over 400 circles incorporated into the design a record amount dwarfing all previous formation. The formation has already been variously described as "Utterly AWESOME" by american radio talk show host Jeff Rense, as the "greatest formation to form in the entire world" by crop circle researcher Stuart Dike, as "the mother and father of all crop circles" by crop circle researcher Charles Mallett, as "the pinnacle, the very epitome of perfection, the paragon of all circles" by Mark Fussell from the crop circle connector website, who goes on to say "there are not enough words in the English vocabulary to describe how amazing this crop circle is". Everyone is saying this feat is beyond human ability. This is an unprecedented formation and definitely one for the history books and I don't think it's an overstatement to describe it as truly paradigm shifting. You can view some great aerial footage of the formation at the cropcircleconnector.com.
Here's something to ponder, if this formation was man made allowing for time to get into and out of the field under cover of darkness the construction time left should be around four hours. Given that there are over 400 circles some of which span approx 70ft in diameter that would mean that one of those circles would need to be created every 30 seconds and that's not even allowing any time for the surveying, purely flattening, this formation pushes the envelope and that's a MASSIVE understatement... my brain hurts!
To give you some idea of the scale of the formation pictured right is an enlarged detail of the above photo showing just the center of the formation, we've ringed the area to indicate where someone is standing, you can barely see them, now can you see how massive the formation is!!! ................................................
doug and dave?
to get an idea of the view doug and dave would have, scroll down to the bottom of the page on the link i provided above.
(and yes there are a few crop circles on that link i believe are doable by a few people as a hoax, but there are many that cannot be done by the doug and dave type scenerio also) |
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I have to agree with Marky, no everyhting can be explained by a simple Doug and Dave we did it confession.
Yes I'm sure alot of Crop Circles can be done by human hands and expertly so.
However there are some anomalies in it all. Like the huge scale of some, the precise geometrical symmetry, the speed at which they are done.
I'm not completely sure of the cause for these things, the jury is very much out, but a couple of pranksters committing so much time and effort to a world wide hoax? Hmmm, no.
Crop circles do not only occur in the UK, they are after all a world wide phenomena, and similar to the Uk they vary in simplicity and complexity.
Perhaps Doug and Dave have a world wide community of pranksters, armed with planks and treading down the corn, maize or whatever else is used to produce these circles.
Good on em, if they do. |
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i'm starting to think it's a myth that aliens are promoted as culprits for crop circles. there seems to be more suggestions its balls of light. not one mention of an alien being.
here is the explaination or maybe possibility is a better word. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MLvq73TX94
now i'm not sure if there is any truth in this explaination, but at least listen to the information and follow it up.
apparently the theory has been pier reviewed and published, although i'm not sure about the credibility of the publishers, ive only just watched this so have not followed anything up myself yet. |
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Firstly Tony,
I was speaking about the Crop Circle phenomena being used as a tool to propagate the idea of Aliens being the culprits.
Secondly, Crop Circles have been reported/started being reported since the 70's, there is some evidence to say they have been happening alot longer though, hang on I'll find a link to the researchers film.
http://www.ufo-blog.com/other_video_footage/other_videos/watch_crop_ci rcles-quest_for_truth_documentary.htm
Its worth watching both films in relation to each other.
I don't think that the truth behind Crop Circles has finally been exposed, not yet anyway.
However I'm not offering to eat my hat if it has. |
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Only the most absurd and restricted mind could presume the crop circles created since the Nineties could be constructed by guys with planks in the dead of night
It's a most absurd notion, and anyone believing that ought to get their head together
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this circle that tele posted above was 800 feet across, consisting of 409 circles.....
doug n dave must have called in some pals to help with this un eh tony?
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http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/18959099.html
Two minute video.
| Quote: | Last year's crop circle mystery solved?
Posted: 10:26 PM May 14, 2008
Last Updated: 7:32 AM May 15, 2008
Reporter: Lauren Davis
Madisonville (WVLT) - Two crop circles in two years. It has residents in Monroe County scratching their heads wondering what or who is causing the circles in their hay fields. Wednesday night, they got some answers.
Very curious Madisonville residents fill a local cafe. They want answers to the mysterious crop circles in their county. This one turned up last summer, then this one last week.
"I wasn't sure if it was true or not curiosity getting the best of me," resident Mike Pilkey said.
Jeff Wilson is the director of International Crop Circle Research Association. Last year he investigated the crop circles off Rocky Springs Road.
He found higher-than-average levels of radiation and electromagnetic activity. The nodes of the wheat were also analyzed and found to show unnatural elongation, but he says last week's crop circles are a man made hoax--with a walking path to the circles and no radiation or irregular nodes.
"Either they use board as they stomp down the wheat as they go along or use garden roll where they flatten plants down," Wilson said.
Jeff says it's common after a non-man made crop circle appears to have copycats try to make another one similar in the same area, but he discourages it because farmers take a hit financially.
"Farmer's gong to lose several hundred dollars of wheat it's pretty extensive crop circle," Wilson said.
Johnnie Helms owns the 50 acre wheat field where the latest crop circle was found. She is upset about the recent vandalism on her property.
"I don't like it and if I find out who did it i'm going to prosecute em," Helms said.
So last week's circles are declared the work of a copy cat, but it still makes you wonder who made these circles last year. Jeff Wilson says it's very uncommon to have two authentic crop circles in one area.
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http://www.orwelltoday.com/cropcircleweapon.shtml
| Quote: | At many crop circle locations, especially the more elaborate ones,
it appears that microwaves have been used to create the designs.
The evidence of stalks, burnt from the inside out exists.
This seems to indicate the use of military microwave weapons
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http://www.ovnis.atfreeweb.com/5_crop_circles.htm
| Quote: | | t is likely that these geometric designs are due to the firing of an aerial military microwave cannon, piloted by computer. The arguments supporting this view are as follows: |
I think there 2 types of crop circles
man made hoaxes with wood and string
and other made be masers
You can see the maser ones as their design is more complex and looks like they have been done with a persision guided tool
It would only take them a few minutes to upload a design and have it beam onto the crop. |
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I've been having a gentle dig at Andrew over the last day or 2 on his crop circle presentation in Liverpool tomorrow,and speaking along with known
BS'ing people like Nick Pope etc.
But after hearing the above audio clip I ought to apologise publicly (privately in a minute) to Andrew for the assumption this is just a BS subject.
I should have known from past experiences communicating with Andrew
Johnson that he is not a BS'er.
Thanks for the link Stephen,that certainly was a great help.
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| Frank Freedom wrote: |
I've been having a gentle dig at Andrew over the last day or 2 on his crop circle presentation in Liverpool tomorrow,and speaking along with known
BS'ing people like Nick Pope etc.
But after hearing the above audio clip I ought to apologise publicly (privately in a minute) to Andrew for the assumption this is just a BS subject.
I should have known from past experiences communicating with Andrew
Johnson that he is not a BS'er.
Thanks for the link Stephen,that certainly was a great help. |
| Quote: | Crop Circles
Created as an interaction with the Earth's consciousness
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If you bothered to listen to the audio link Tony you would know that is not the conclusion drawn by Andrew Johnson,and therefore does not merit it's merger with this thread, if in fact that is the allusion as you have stated.
On the other hand you have drawn attention to Andrews'
audio interview,I guess that would be a plus point on this larger thread!
Thanks for that.
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| There’s no merit to circular arguments wasting peoples time on things that can be easily explained. As Andrew does on that audio. What will he say today, lets see. |
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| Andrew. wrote: | | There’s no merit to circular arguments wasting peoples time on things that can be easily explained. As Andrew does on that audio. What will he say today, lets see. |
IMO (being new to this particular subject) there is no evidence of any circular arguments here.Previous opinions are quite clearly non-circular
in substance.I only regret that many of those in the earlier days don't post here any more.
I've seen a powerpoint presentation link forwarded by Andrew last night, and it was much the same and more as the audio file above.
IMO this presentation (as the audio) is a must for anyone interested in
what is really going on with this subject,and can only look forward to
the video of this weekends event.
Anyone can call me biased,and I confess that is true I am biased towards the truth.
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| All the crop circles can be explained by pranksters using computer aided theodolites, ect. Also if you look at the seed drill pattern of stubble it is easy to carefully walk in these crops without causing damage. |
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What does the popular Wikipedia say about crop circles>pay particular attention to crop circles "in popular culture":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle
And UFO's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO
Naturally that list is almost endless,and sci-fi post WW2 has always been very popular,and noticeably more so nowdays.Dr Who especially over here,and 'Taken' amongst a multitude of others.
So what can we as enlightened folks on this forum derive from this?
As we know by now the establishment/media has always lied and deceived us all throughout our lives,so what are the odds the controlled media and entertainment machine are not BS'ing us time into an alien
invasion scenario,and the intricate crop circle phenomenon is but one part of this hoax.
IMO All crop circles are man made,that's for sure.The technology invoved is purely mechanical for the simple designs,and by other more sophisticated scientific methods the more complex designs are made.
Or maybe the complex designs are fake photography themselves,then we get back to the "why" question again?
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| Frank Freedom wrote: | What does the popular Wikipedia say about crop circles>pay particular attention to crop circles "in popular culture":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle
And UFO's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO
Naturally that list is almost endless,and sci-fi post WW2 has always been very popular,and noticeably more so nowdays.Dr Who especially over here,and 'Taken' amongst a multitude of others.
So what can we as enlightened folks on this forum derive from this?
As we know by now the establishment/media has always lied and deceived us all throughout our lives,so what are the odds the controlled media and entertainment machine are not BS'ing us time into an alien
invasion scenario,and the intricate crop circle phenomenon is but one part of this hoax.
IMO All crop circles are man made,that's for sure.The technology invoved is purely mechanical for the simple designs,and by other more sophisticated scientific methods the more complex designs are made.
Or maybe the complex designs are fake photography themselves,then we get back to the "why" question again? |
“then we get back to the "why" question again?”
“Why” satanically inspired fear and lies that’s in all of us.
I believe if we take a look around in truth we know this planet is really a lunatic asylum (reform school). I don’t think the PTB (They only have the power you give them) have that much in the way of high technology. I have heard of “project blue beam” but don’t know if it’s a hoax, start to finish. What projector hologram technology exists. Would genuine honest people believe a projected light show for real solid perhaps massive UFO, s?
I believe in UFO’s as expressed (as I and others see it) in the Bible and so as I believe that technology exists in the universe in the Godly Biblical way,an intelligence beyond mans comprehension. What would these beings possibly want/need from us? I don’t believe they would have a need but a want from us is different. Left to our own satanically inspired mans way of doing things we would end up just punishing ourselves and we can see things getting worse bit by bit. I see it as salvation for those human+beings who want to willingly learn to be good by God’s standard and Christ set the “standard bar” nothing less will do. |
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Got to larf at wikipedia as section 8 on Crop Circles> 'in Popular Culture'
has been removed/edited out since last night  :
1. Crop circle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Crop circles are patterns created by the flattening of crops such as wheat, barley, ... 7 Advertising; 8 In popular culture; 9 Photographs of crop circles ..."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle
As you can see it's still on the results page
Back later on.
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Crop circles are just a group of people mucking about to destroy the credibility of some people.
This has been said on this very thread, yes?
Why Andrew,then do you think Google have a crop circle with associated
UFO on their web-page?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/09/090915-crop-circles-go ogle-earth.html
I mean I noticed it straight away and am very surprised no one here
has commented on it today!
Is today an official global crop circle day?
What is the intention behind this attention do you think?
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| Frank Freedom wrote: | Crop circles are just a group of people mucking about to destroy the credibility of some people.
This has been said on this very thread, yes?
Why Andrew,then do you think Google have a crop circle with associated
UFO on their web-page?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/09/090915-crop-circles-go ogle-earth.html
I mean I noticed it straight away and am very surprised no one here
has commented on it today!
Is today an official global crop circle day?
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As you have already said.
''Naturally that list is almost endless,and sci-fi post WW2 has always been very popular,and noticeably more so nowdays.Dr Who especially over here,and 'Taken' amongst a multitude of others.''
Satanists (AKA humanists) and the human is not very intelligent. So the not very bright PTB pranksters
try to keep the Spirit subdued and asleep with ridicule and hoaxes taking and making opportunities
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| Andrew. wrote: | | All the crop circles can be explained by pranksters using computer aided theodolites, ect. Also if you look at the seed drill pattern of stubble it is easy to carefully walk in these crops without causing damage. |
If you believe that, then perhaps you can explain to Dr C. Reynolds, Frederick Hall Professor of Geology and Minerology, Emeritus, Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH how clay minerals in soil samples taken from crop circles in Canada exhibited levels of crystalisation so anomalous that he - the world's leading expert on X-ray diffraction analysis of clay minerals - could not understand, as the creation of these levels required extremely high pressures and temperatures. See:
http://www.bltresearch.com/xrd.php
But first, I suggest, you get yourself informed about scientific research into the crop circle phenomenon before posting such vacuous opinions. |
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Sorry Andrew I didn't get back to your reply last night so here it is, and please take it as read,not intentionally aggressive though it may read that way at times:
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“then we get back to the "why" question again?” |
I left that hanging there
| Quote: | | “Why” satanically inspired fear and lies that’s in all of us. |
Do you think so,what evidence is there for this.Could this also be disinformation?
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I believe if we take a look around in truth we know this planet is really a lunatic asylum (reform school). I don’t think the PTB (They only have the power you give them) have that much in the way of high technology. I have heard of “project blue beam” but don’t know if it’s a hoax, start to finish. What projector hologram technology exists. Would genuine honest people believe a projected light show for real solid perhaps massive UFO, s? |
Yes but most people are basically decent and honourable,it's the system in which we operate
that is corrupt,not ordinary everyday folk.The so called black budgets would indicate the military
have not remained stationary for 60 years,so I doubt everything is known here.
Project blue-beam is widely known amongst those that seek information aka CTers,not the general public.But you're right I don't know either, but it does seem to add up.Time will tell I guess.
The UFO's you seem to propose,could they also not be another hoax that you believe in?
I've not seen evidence for them myself,but it does fit a bluebeam agenda scenario.
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I believe in UFO’s as expressed (as I and others see it) in the Bible and so as I believe that technology exists in the universe in the Godly Biblical way,an intelligence beyond mans comprehension. What would these beings possibly want/need from us? I don’t believe they would have a need but a want from us is different. Left to our own satanically inspired mans way of doing things we would end up just punishing ourselves and we can see things getting worse bit by bit. I see it as salvation for those human+beings who want to willingly learn to be good by God’s standard and Christ set the “standard bar” nothing less will do. |
With respect,that's your belief Andrew could I suggest it's just another programming aspect of
a very small section of humanity who are promoting this
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“Why” satanically inspired fear and lies that’s in all of us.
''Do you think so, what evidence is there for this. Could this also be disinformation ?''
There is only Truth and lies, no grey area. No pun intended, but serves as an example.'' Disinformation'' is/are lies (satanic) and are not Truth.
''Yes but most people are basically decent and honourable, it's the system in which we operate
that is corrupt,''
We are that System, all of ''us'' are bad, some more than others.
''With respect, that's your belief Andrew could I suggest it's just another programming aspect of
a very small section of humanity who are promoting this''
I believe its a sign for example if you can't work it out by the ''Word'' check for example the Bible code. Its either Truth or lies it can't be both. Beware of hoaxes. You will need a genuine copy to check for yourself thoroughly. Here's a help.
http://jahtruth.net/bibcod.htm
If you find this surreal and a turn off you should know now where those thoughts come from. If you don't check the evidence thoroughly, of your own free will you will be none the wiser. Simple but not easy Truth or lies. |
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Micpsi
Could I suggest you look at how compartmentalisation works. For example how the pharmaceutical industry has got that past most people with for example the industry standard ''double blind test'' the name itself is like a sick satanic joke ''bold and brilliant'' sick joke.
(Edit) how ''some within the .....''
Truth.
Actually, even past the perpetrators.
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Example.
Microwave, crowd control/ weapon. Helicopter. Further hoax, samples ect.
''All the crop circles can be explained by pranksters using computer aided theodolites, ect. Also if you look at the seed drill pattern of stubble it is easy to carefully walk in these crops without causing damage.'' |
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| Andrew. wrote: | “Why” satanically inspired fear and lies that’s in all of us.
''Do you think so, what evidence is there for this. Could this also be disinformation ?''
There is only Truth and lies, no grey area. No pun intended, but serves as an example.'' Disinformation'' is/are lies (satanic) and are not Truth.
''Yes but most people are basically decent and honourable, it's the system in which we operate
that is corrupt,''
We are that System, all of ''us'' are bad, some more than others.
''With respect, that's your belief Andrew could I suggest it's just another programming aspect of
a very small section of humanity who are promoting this''
I believe its a sign for example if you can't work it out by the ''Word'' check for example the Bible code. Its either Truth or lies it can't be both. Beware of hoaxes. You will need a genuine copy to check for yourself thoroughly. Here's a help.
http://jahtruth.net/bibcod.htm
If you find this surreal and a turn off you should know now where those thoughts come from. If you don't check the evidence thoroughly, of your own free will you will be none the wiser. Simple but not easy Truth or lies. |
Come on Andrew,the lives we lead are dictated through conditioning of the "norm" within society.How you can condemn the whole of humanity for this aspect is quite disturbing.
It looks like you believe in one theory given you, to dismiss all other aspects of control and manipulation.
A disappointing response from you Andrew.
PS:we do know how compartmentalisation works by now,thanks.
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